From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #411 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, June 28 2008 Volume 10 : Number 411 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: the 'scape [elektrolad ] Fwd: [idealcopy] RE: Hello ["johnny clash" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT) From: elektrolad Subject: [idealcopy] Re: the 'scape I am probably a bigger fan of the middle period, but the lines blur as time goes on... Manscape still gets some play around here. e You are receiving this email because I sent it to you. Musik http://www.myspace.com/elektrolad Dj mixes http://www.musicv2.com/artist/elektrolad I am elektrolad and I approved this message. - --- On Thu, 26/6/08, Robert Cambra wrote: > From: Robert Cambra > Subject: [idealcopy] Hello, Welcome > To: idealcopy@smoe.org, sean4554@email.com > Date: Thursday, 26 June, 2008, 1:39 PM > Welcome, Sean. I've been with the list since it was four > months old. > > I think you are the only one here whose favorite period is > this middle > period. Manscape is usually considered the least favorite > album (though when > I played it recently I was appreciating it a lot more than > ever before) and > The First Letter never seems to get as much respect as I > feel it deserves. > > This is another very exciting period for Wire. Those two > recent live shows > really got me hopping, even played through little computer > speakers. I > should be lucky enough to see them this fall. > > Robert (another) > > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:44:35 -0500 > From: "Sean -" > Subject: [idealcopy] Hello > > Hi all-- > Nice to find this list, was interested in reading the > previous > digests...of course I haven't seen mny yet. This list > is a decade old, > thats great. How many current people on the list were there > in 1998? > Well, my name is Sean from Pittsburgh PA USA. I've > liked Wire since the > early '80's when '12 X U' was on some > double-vinyl punk compilation I > bought. I liked it a lot, and got the first couple albums, > but my > interest in punk waned as I got older, so I forgot about > Wire until I > found "Manscape" on cassette circa '91. > Bought it as a lark and was > really surprised by it. The band had certainly evolved and > grown. To this > day "Manscape" and "The First Letter" > are my favorite Wire works, and > honestly I've never really cared for that kind of music > either. But Wire > did it all differently, something quite profound going on > that made their > music tower above any other post-punk electronica (whatever > it is, who > cares, right?), and indeed above most bands of any genre. > I've come to > like and love everything the band has done, but it's > that 'middle period' > of '86-'93 that has affected me the most. Even > "The Drill", no matter > what the critics say, it's brilliant. > Hope they come to my town, would love to see them. If they > ever have come > to Pittsburgh I never heard about it. > Thats my introduction. Just another Wire fan. :-) > > > ****************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for > the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed > and may contain information that is privileged, confidential > and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have > received this communication in error, please do not > distribute and delete the original message. Please notify > the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. Thank you for > your compliance. __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:20:22 -0700 From: "johnny clash" Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] RE: Hello - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: johnny clash Date: Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Hello To: Glenn Page i friggin' love it but i like everything they've done! On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Glenn Page wrote: > I love Ideal Copy 154 and Bell is a Cup, but when i heard Manscape i didn't > like it. I should revisit it. With the amount of absolute crap out there i > may like it now. > > I have it and played it 2wice > > glenn > www.violettown.net > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Sean - wrote: > > > Thanks for the welcome emails everyone, appreciate it! > > I was never part of any alternative scene, so to the guy from Pittsburgh, > > it's unlikely we crossed paths...but you never know. > > The "Manscape" album: I knew maybe a couple people in my life who had > > heard of Wire, and noone that was a fan. And without the internet in > > 1991-1997, and access to only a few music review books I wasn't really > > aware that "Manscape" was considered subpar by the fans. I was surprised, > > actually, how unpopular the album is. Most of the negative reviews I have > > seen don't give what to my mind is a coherent reasoning behind the > > album's poor reputation. It seems like "Manscape" was a natural > > progression from the direction Wire had been going in. I have no idea > > what the real meaning is behind the often-criticised chorus of the title > > track ("free speech and more TV"), I've always taken it as a clever > > politically incorrect satire on the nature of capitalist reforms. I'm not > > being political. But thats how it comes across to me. One of the great > > things about Wire to my mind is how symbolic and often abstractly > > profound their songs are, and if you don't pay attention the same songs > > can seem almost like arbitrary weirdness. Any thoughts on what this song > > is about? > > And on and on, I think it's a brilliant album. "The First Letter" doesn't > > seem to be overly criticised from what I can tell, but basically almost > > ignored . Not by the fans I'm sure, but by the general rock landscape. > > Reviews, pro or con, aren't all that plentiful. But, again, it's a > > progression from "Manscape" I think. > > The middle period doesn't seem to get as much love as the first era or > > the more current ones, I have noticed that. > > As for the forum, I think I may have found one somewhere but never > > received the confirmation email, but I'm not sure. > > Yes a new album on the way. Great! :-) > > > > -- > > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #411 ********************************