From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #410 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, June 27 2008 Volume 10 : Number 410 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Hello [rose_dan@colstate.edu] RE: [idealcopy] Hello ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] [idealcopy] Hello, Welcome ["Robert Cambra" ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Hello ["Glenn Page" ] [idealcopy] Manscape revisited (was Hello) ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:44 pm Subject: [idealcopy] Hello > Hi all-- > Nice to find this list, was interested in reading the previous > digests...of course I haven't seen mny yet. This list is a decade old, > thats great. How many current people on the list were there in 1998? > Well, my name is Sean from Pittsburgh PA USA. I've liked Wire > since the > early '80's when '12 X U' was on some double-vinyl punk > compilation I > bought. I liked it a lot, and got the first couple albums, but my > interest in punk waned as I got older, so I forgot about Wire > until I > found "Manscape" on cassette circa '91. Bought it as a lark and was > really surprised by it. The band had certainly evolved and grown. > To this > day "Manscape" and "The First Letter" are my favorite Wire works, and > honestly I've never really cared for that kind of music either. > But Wire > did it all differently, something quite profound going on that > made their > music tower above any other post-punk electronica (whatever it is, who > cares, right?), and indeed above most bands of any genre. I've > come to > like and love everything the band has done, but it's that 'middle > period'of '86-'93 that has affected me the most. Even "The Drill", > no matter > what the critics say, it's brilliant. > Hope they come to my town, would love to see them. If they ever > have come > to Pittsburgh I never heard about it. > Thats my introduction. Just another Wire fan. :-) > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:57:50 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Hello Sean, it's good to hear from you. The first three albums are certainly classics (for want of a better word) but there's no doubt that The First Letter has a dark appeal all of its own. Manscape I still struggle to return to - I think/hope you'll find that Object 47 is better. Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Sean - Sent: 26 June 2008 01:45 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Hello Hi all-- Nice to find this list, was interested in reading the previous digests...of course I haven't seen mny yet. This list is a decade old, thats great. How many current people on the list were there in 1998? Well, my name is Sean from Pittsburgh PA USA. I've liked Wire since the early '80's when '12 X U' was on some double-vinyl punk compilation I bought. I liked it a lot, and got the first couple albums, but my interest in punk waned as I got older, so I forgot about Wire until I found "Manscape" on cassette circa '91. Bought it as a lark and was really surprised by it. The band had certainly evolved and grown. To this day "Manscape" and "The First Letter" are my favorite Wire works, and honestly I've never really cared for that kind of music either. But Wire did it all differently, something quite profound going on that made their music tower above any other post-punk electronica (whatever it is, who cares, right?), and indeed above most bands of any genre. I've come to like and love everything the band has done, but it's that 'middle period' of '86-'93 that has affected me the most. Even "The Drill", no matter what the critics say, it's brilliant. Hope they come to my town, would love to see them. If they ever have come to Pittsburgh I never heard about it. Thats my introduction. Just another Wire fan. :-) - -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:39:58 -0700 From: "Robert Cambra" Subject: [idealcopy] Hello, Welcome Welcome, Sean. I've been with the list since it was four months old. I think you are the only one here whose favorite period is this middle period. Manscape is usually considered the least favorite album (though when I played it recently I was appreciating it a lot more than ever before) and The First Letter never seems to get as much respect as I feel it deserves. This is another very exciting period for Wire. Those two recent live shows really got me hopping, even played through little computer speakers. I should be lucky enough to see them this fall. Robert (another) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:44:35 -0500 From: "Sean -" Subject: [idealcopy] Hello Hi all-- Nice to find this list, was interested in reading the previous digests...of course I haven't seen mny yet. This list is a decade old, thats great. How many current people on the list were there in 1998? Well, my name is Sean from Pittsburgh PA USA. I've liked Wire since the early '80's when '12 X U' was on some double-vinyl punk compilation I bought. I liked it a lot, and got the first couple albums, but my interest in punk waned as I got older, so I forgot about Wire until I found "Manscape" on cassette circa '91. Bought it as a lark and was really surprised by it. The band had certainly evolved and grown. To this day "Manscape" and "The First Letter" are my favorite Wire works, and honestly I've never really cared for that kind of music either. But Wire did it all differently, something quite profound going on that made their music tower above any other post-punk electronica (whatever it is, who cares, right?), and indeed above most bands of any genre. I've come to like and love everything the band has done, but it's that 'middle period' of '86-'93 that has affected me the most. Even "The Drill", no matter what the critics say, it's brilliant. Hope they come to my town, would love to see them. If they ever have come to Pittsburgh I never heard about it. Thats my introduction. Just another Wire fan. :-) ****************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this communication in error, please do not distribute and delete the original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. Thank you for your compliance. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:05:15 -0500 From: "Sean -" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Hello Thanks for the welcome emails everyone, appreciate it! I was never part of any alternative scene, so to the guy from Pittsburgh, it's unlikely we crossed paths...but you never know. The "Manscape" album: I knew maybe a couple people in my life who had heard of Wire, and noone that was a fan. And without the internet in 1991-1997, and access to only a few music review books I wasn't really aware that "Manscape" was considered subpar by the fans. I was surprised, actually, how unpopular the album is. Most of the negative reviews I have seen don't give what to my mind is a coherent reasoning behind the album's poor reputation. It seems like "Manscape" was a natural progression from the direction Wire had been going in. I have no idea what the real meaning is behind the often-criticised chorus of the title track ("free speech and more TV"), I've always taken it as a clever politically incorrect satire on the nature of capitalist reforms. I'm not being political. But thats how it comes across to me. One of the great things about Wire to my mind is how symbolic and often abstractly profound their songs are, and if you don't pay attention the same songs can seem almost like arbitrary weirdness. Any thoughts on what this song is about? And on and on, I think it's a brilliant album. "The First Letter" doesn't seem to be overly criticised from what I can tell, but basically almost ignored . Not by the fans I'm sure, but by the general rock landscape. Reviews, pro or con, aren't all that plentiful. But, again, it's a progression from "Manscape" I think. The middle period doesn't seem to get as much love as the first era or the more current ones, I have noticed that. As for the forum, I think I may have found one somewhere but never received the confirmation email, but I'm not sure. Yes a new album on the way. Great! :-) - -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:13:58 -0700 From: "Glenn Page" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Hello I love Ideal Copy 154 and Bell is a Cup, but when i heard Manscape i didn't like it. I should revisit it. With the amount of absolute crap out there i may like it now. I have it and played it 2wice glenn www.violettown.net On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Sean - wrote: > Thanks for the welcome emails everyone, appreciate it! > I was never part of any alternative scene, so to the guy from Pittsburgh, > it's unlikely we crossed paths...but you never know. > The "Manscape" album: I knew maybe a couple people in my life who had > heard of Wire, and noone that was a fan. And without the internet in > 1991-1997, and access to only a few music review books I wasn't really > aware that "Manscape" was considered subpar by the fans. I was surprised, > actually, how unpopular the album is. Most of the negative reviews I have > seen don't give what to my mind is a coherent reasoning behind the > album's poor reputation. It seems like "Manscape" was a natural > progression from the direction Wire had been going in. I have no idea > what the real meaning is behind the often-criticised chorus of the title > track ("free speech and more TV"), I've always taken it as a clever > politically incorrect satire on the nature of capitalist reforms. I'm not > being political. But thats how it comes across to me. One of the great > things about Wire to my mind is how symbolic and often abstractly > profound their songs are, and if you don't pay attention the same songs > can seem almost like arbitrary weirdness. Any thoughts on what this song > is about? > And on and on, I think it's a brilliant album. "The First Letter" doesn't > seem to be overly criticised from what I can tell, but basically almost > ignored . Not by the fans I'm sure, but by the general rock landscape. > Reviews, pro or con, aren't all that plentiful. But, again, it's a > progression from "Manscape" I think. > The middle period doesn't seem to get as much love as the first era or > the more current ones, I have noticed that. > As for the forum, I think I may have found one somewhere but never > received the confirmation email, but I'm not sure. > Yes a new album on the way. Great! :-) > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:01:15 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Manscape revisited (was Hello) Surely anyone criticising the chorus of the title track ("free speech and more TV") would be unaware of Wire's frequent lyrical ironies. Perhaps some American reviewers take things rather too literally... (!) Bruno ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #410 ********************************