From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #350 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, April 5 2008 Volume 10 : Number 350 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] (No shame in liking) VdGG (was: Klaus Dinger RIP) ["Clements,] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Klaus Dinger RIP [Norm Fasey ] RE: [idealcopy] OT: Klaus Dinger RIP ["Keith" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Klaus Dinger RIP [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Klaus Dinger RIP [Eric Klaver ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire this n that ["Robert Cambra" Subject: [idealcopy] (No shame in liking) VdGG (was: Klaus Dinger RIP) Blimey Keith, what are you doing up so early in the morning... Or is your time thingy set to winter time? Great show though, wasn't it? Even non- VdGG people would've liked bits, I reckon. PH's guitar sound reminded me of certain late '70s bands at one point! Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Knight Sent: 04 April 2008 07:34 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Klaus Dinger RIP Oh bugger. What a great band. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of RJH Sent: 04 April 2008 07:04 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Klaus Dinger RIP And not just punk. I was recently listening to Neu 75 and it seems like nearly every song on that album gave birth to a band like Sonic Youth, Stereolab and their post-punk/noise ilk. That album even flirted with prog territory! Amazing stuff. RIP Klaus. RJH *Sorry for the duplicate post, Mark! * - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Died of a heart attack apparently, age 61. > > So no Neu! revival, ever. And Rother almost seemed to be leaving the > door ever so slightly open for that to happen in the current issue of > The Wire... > > Very sad - Dinger's influence on punk should not be underestimated. > > Mark > ________________________________________________________________________ ____ ________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:28:23 +0100 From: Norm Fasey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Klaus Dinger RIP Also the drummer on the dibut album from Kraftwerk wasn't he? One of the founding members according to Wikipedia. Norm MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Died of a heart attack apparently, age 61. > > So no Neu! revival, ever. And Rother almost seemed to be leaving the door > ever so slightly open for that to happen in the current issue of The Wire... > > Very sad - Dinger's influence on punk should not be underestimated. > > Mark > > > - -- ICQ: 126113095 Yahoo Instant Messager: nfasey Inbox protected by ClearMyMail www.ClearMyMail.com {cda219d4ef9e484c9473cc10b8b6c80d} [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of norm.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:36:34 +0100 From: "Keith" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Klaus Dinger RIP Yes, read about that on another list the other day, but was reluctant to post it here as I couldn't find any confirmation, other than Wikipedia which as we all know isn't always the most reliable. Seems he dies last month so word has been slow to get out. Anyway, I agree with what Mark said. I first heard Neu (just about!) on the barely audible Dave Fanning show on Irish Radio (RTE I think) circa '79. We would always tune in and hope that reception would be good enough across the water to hear things, and very occasionally it was! Got into Neu properly a couple of years later when a mate did a tape. I was doing a lot of driving at the time and Neu were obviously the perfect soundtrack for that scenario. A truly great band. Keith Np The Cure - 17 Seconds - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com Sent: 04 April 2008 01:47 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Klaus Dinger RIP Died of a heart attack apparently, age 61. So no Neu! revival, ever. And Rother almost seemed to be leaving the door ever so slightly open for that to happen in the current issue of The Wire... Very sad - Dinger's influence on punk should not be underestimated. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:41:10 +0100 From: Norm Fasey Subject: [idealcopy] Radio Show Incidentally Idealcopyers, Not wishing to Spam you all but I now do a show on an Internet Radio station called Going Forward Radio. I broadcast live every Sunday night between 7-9pm GMT. Think I am going to do a short tribute to Klaus Dinger this week and play a Neu! Track and maybe one of the bands that were influenced by the Motorik beat. Suggestions gratefully received. Thinking maybe a Stereolab track as they totally embraced the whole Motorik beat? Any other suggestions or requests, send em to me. Listen in if you have a couple of spare hours. Let's face it, that time on a Sunday evening is 'dead time' here in the UK. Over in America it will be like the breakfast show. My show is also repeated on Tuesday nights at 7pm GMT. Just go to http://www.live365.com/stations/normf and hit the yellow play button. I play punk, post-punk, dub, electronica, drum and bass, ska etc. There is usually a Wire track somewhere in the playlist. Norm - -- ICQ: 126113095 Yahoo Instant Messager: nfasey Inbox protected by ClearMyMail www.ClearMyMail.com {cda219d4ef9e484c9473cc10b8b6c80d} [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of norm.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:38:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Klaus Dinger RIP >>Also the drummer on the dibut album from Kraftwerk wasn't he? One of the founding members according to Wikipedia.<< He's on the first KW album, and was a full-time member for a while, though he's not a founding member. KW grew out of a different band called Organisation, and ownership of KW has reallly always been with Ralf & Florian. However... the nearest you're going to get to see film of Neu! is the Kraftwerk Beat Club performance of Ruckstossgondoliere from 1971, where the line-up is Schneider/Rother/Dinger (Ralf flounced for a few months, for reasons never explained). Effectively it's Neu! plus Florian, rather than Kraftwerk + Neu!. Not a synth in sight - Florian plays treated flute & violin throughout! German TV channel WDR has broadcast a lot of very good archive German rock stuff over the past couple of years, including another clip of the Schneider/Hutter/Dinger Kraftwerk line-up too. Most extraordinary was a short clip billed as Neu!/La Dusseldorf, apparently from 1974, of the Neu 75 line-up (basically La Dusseldorf + Rother). Klaus Dinger is on vocals with his brother Thomas (also now deceased) on drums. The extraordinary thing about this is the way Klaus Dinger looks. While Rother still looks like yer typical 70s German longhair/beardie, Dinger has a full-on 77 punk look - spiky hair, shades, deranged shouty persona (as heard on Hero, on Neu 75). And this is 1974. I'm convinced John Lydon must have seen Klaus Dinger perform at some stage. The resemblance is remarkable. that's why I mentioned the influence on punk. Listen to Lydon was into Krautrock, but I've no idea if Neu! or La D ever played gigs in the UK. Neu! hardly played live at all - probably onlyt the later version (as seen on the German TV clip) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:24:05 -0400 From: Eric Klaver Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Klaus Dinger RIP Like Peelie's death, a great loss to the music world. Unlike Peelie's death, not at all shocking. ...crap... I believe Andy McCluskey once saw La D and Neu! live as he has once compared their performances (he perferring Neu! IIRC with La D being a huge influence). Incidentally, any band who has performed with a reel-to-reel on stage surely saw Neu! at one time or other (thought the R2R was more of a Rother thing). Eric On 4-Apr-08, at 8:38 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: I'm convinced John Lydon must have seen Klaus Dinger perform at some stage. The resemblance is remarkable. that's why I mentioned the influence on punk. Listen to Lydon was into Krautrock, but I've no idea if Neu! or La D ever played gigs in the UK. Neu! hardly played live at all - probably onlyt the later version (as seen on the German TV clip) Moriyama & Teshima Architects 32 Davenport Road, Toronto, Ontario M5R 1H3 Canada t: 416-925-4484 f: 416-925-4637 www.mtarch.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 06:42:34 -0700 From: "johnny clash" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Klaus Dinger RIP On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Eric Klaver wrote: > Like Peelie's death, a great loss to the music world. Unlike Peelie's > death, not at all shocking. > > ...crap... > > I believe Andy McCluskey once saw La D and Neu! live as he has once > compared their performances (he perferring Neu! IIRC with La D being > a huge influence). Incidentally, any band who has performed with a > reel-to-reel on stage surely saw Neu! at one time or other (thought > the R2R was more of a Rother thing). i dunno. i saw the steve miller band use a reel to reel in 1970 and to very ill effect. the band just couldn't get in sync with it. it was one of the most boring shows i have ever seen. the first was sleeping through a 3 1/2 hour grateful dead concert in 1969....at age 13 i should have been excited but i had already seen hendrix open up for the monkees....lol > > > Eric > > > On 4-Apr-08, at 8:38 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > I'm convinced John Lydon must have seen Klaus Dinger perform at some > stage. > The resemblance is remarkable. that's why I mentioned the influence > on punk. > Listen to Lydon was into Krautrock, but I've no idea if Neu! or La D > ever > played gigs in the UK. Neu! hardly played live at all - probably > onlyt the later > version (as seen on the German TV clip) > > > Moriyama & Teshima Architects > 32 Davenport Road, Toronto, Ontario M5R 1H3 Canada > t: 416-925-4484 > f: 416-925-4637 > www.mtarch.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:21:47 -0400 From: Eric Klaver Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Klaus Dinger RIP Interesting. Totally different world. I was thinking more along the lines of OMD/Human League/Depeche Mode/Normal-- most of whom would cite NEU! as an influence. Eric On 4-Apr-08, at 9:42 AM, johnny clash wrote: i dunno. i saw the steve miller band use a reel to reel in 1970 and to very ill effect. the band just couldn't get in sync with it. it was one of the most boring shows i have ever seen. the first was sleeping through a 3 1/2 hour grateful dead concert in 1969....at age 13 i should have been excited but i had already seen hendrix open up for the monkees....lol Moriyama & Teshima Architects 32 Davenport Road, Toronto, Ontario M5R 1H3 Canada t: 416-925-4484 f: 416-925-4637 www.mtarch.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:27:44 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] {OT] Monotonix Heard these guys mentioned on our local Rock Talk Show, soundopinions.org. THey are supposedly an awesome live act. The critic said he was 'underwhelmed' by their record, but I think it's pretty strong. They don't really sound like XTC, but the energy brings to mind pre-breakdown Andy Partridge. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:36:51 -0700 From: "Robert Cambra" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire this n that Well, fuck me. Something I should have known, and I should have been there. I'll lower my head in respect as I pass the place on the way home this evening. Cheers, Robert (another) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:12:06 -0700 From: "johnny clash" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire this n that i believe they did. i was in the opening act.....squeezing blood from stones. i'd have to go through my stuff as i have the old flyer for the show....late 70's. On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Cambra, Robert < Robert.Cambra@harpercollins.com> wrote: > Hey, Wire never played the Mabuhay Gardens . . . did they? > > johnny clash wrote: did you see them at the > mabuhay gardens? > > > > "Girlfriend (No Warning Given)" Brillant! Almost lost my lunch when I read > that. ****************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this communication in error, please do not distribute and delete the original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. Thank you for your compliance. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #350 ********************************