From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #258 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, December 12 2007 Volume 10 : Number 258 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] The next Christmas #1? ["Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The next Christmas #1? Blimey. Get out of bed the wrong side this morning, Tim?! ; ) Anyway, I'm confused now. I pretty much avoided Arab Strap, because wasn't there some connection with the dreaded Belle & Bloody Sebastian? I thought we were talking about this little fella. http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/malcolm/ ; ) np Julian Cope - you gotta problem with me - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Idealcopy" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The next Christmas #1? > Nooooo! I feel a rant coming on! No Offence whatsoever to Mr Knight > but... > > Ah come on does anyone really give a fuck who gets Xmas no.1 anymore since > you probably have to sell about 200 records to make no.1 these days. > > > That said I hope that the No.1 spot is filled by a POP RECORD chosen by > people under the age of 30 rather than one hyped to No.1 by Radio-1s > Colin-Lee-Travis and 50,000 bored office workers on Facebook who (in > between spending $1 to send each other a picture of a traffic cone or > playing virtual snowball fights) think that it would be "like really > maaaad if that bloke from Arab Strap was No.1 and then we could > congratulate ourselves on how ironic it was". Ho fucking ho. > > In his younger days, to earn a few bob Noddy Holder from Slade used to > crap on people for money while they sat under a glass coffee table. No > really he did, read his biog. > I'm hoping he'll be persuaded to crap on everyone who plays virtual > snowball fights on Facebook (Splat ho ho uhhh I got you!), Colin Murray > and all the wacky funsters from Radio 1 live on the Xmas Day edition of > Top of the Pops while singing "Merry Xmas Everybody". And then he'll be > joined by Roy Wood and Clive Dunn to crap on Gary Jules *without* the > Coffee Table...theres a "mad world" for you Gary. > > > > Keith Knight wrote: >> I don't know whether to be cheered or not that Malcolm Middleton's >> 'We're All Gonna Die' is now 12-1 to be the UK Christmas Number One, >> following support from Radio 1. On the one hand this is from the album >> which has occupied my album of the year spot for the last six months. >> On the other hand it could result in him being regarded as the new Gary >> Jules and resigned to some one-hit wonder novelty ghetto. >> Strangely you only have to skew reality a tiny bit for it to be >> plausible - it's relatively easy to imagine people in Christmas hats >> bopping to the chorus of "You're gonna die, you're gonna die, you're >> gonna die alone". It IS very catchy. >> http://www.myspace.com/malcolmmiddleton The video with the children's >> choir and sleigh bells is particularly >> affecting. >> Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:27:04 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] The next Christmas #1? Only in that Belle and Sebastian wrote a song called 'The Boy with the Arab Strap' Keith. Which of course was some sort of in-joke. And - two things here - 1) that shouldn't put you off the wonderful Arab Strap who for a decade produced music which referenced virtually no-one else (beyond Glaswegian drunks) and whose music - as I've said more than once when drunk to a disbelieving audience - will be played long after we're dead as it summarises relationships in the late 90s more than anything else; and 2) Belle & Sebastian are only occasionally dreaded. Sometimes - as with the last album - they are bloody wonderful. As for the Christmas #1 - no, I don't care a lot. But to suggest, as Tim does, that this is some magical decision by the under-30s downloading public ignores the fact that X-Factor rules this these days in the UK. So, if this still means something to the culture - and it does in some base way - rather Malcolm Middleton than Simon Cowell's creature. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith A Sent: 11 December 2007 10:48 To: Tim; Idealcopy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The next Christmas #1? Blimey. Get out of bed the wrong side this morning, Tim?! ; ) Anyway, I'm confused now. I pretty much avoided Arab Strap, because wasn't there some connection with the dreaded Belle & Bloody Sebastian? I thought we were talking about this little fella. http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/malcolm/ ; ) np Julian Cope - you gotta problem with me - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Idealcopy" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The next Christmas #1? > Nooooo! I feel a rant coming on! No Offence whatsoever to Mr Knight > but... > > Ah come on does anyone really give a fuck who gets Xmas no.1 anymore since > you probably have to sell about 200 records to make no.1 these days. > > > That said I hope that the No.1 spot is filled by a POP RECORD chosen by > people under the age of 30 rather than one hyped to No.1 by Radio-1s > Colin-Lee-Travis and 50,000 bored office workers on Facebook who (in > between spending $1 to send each other a picture of a traffic cone or > playing virtual snowball fights) think that it would be "like really > maaaad if that bloke from Arab Strap was No.1 and then we could > congratulate ourselves on how ironic it was". Ho fucking ho. > > In his younger days, to earn a few bob Noddy Holder from Slade used to > crap on people for money while they sat under a glass coffee table. No > really he did, read his biog. > I'm hoping he'll be persuaded to crap on everyone who plays virtual > snowball fights on Facebook (Splat ho ho uhhh I got you!), Colin Murray > and all the wacky funsters from Radio 1 live on the Xmas Day edition of > Top of the Pops while singing "Merry Xmas Everybody". And then he'll be > joined by Roy Wood and Clive Dunn to crap on Gary Jules *without* the > Coffee Table...theres a "mad world" for you Gary. > > > > Keith Knight wrote: >> I don't know whether to be cheered or not that Malcolm Middleton's >> 'We're All Gonna Die' is now 12-1 to be the UK Christmas Number One, >> following support from Radio 1. On the one hand this is from the album >> which has occupied my album of the year spot for the last six months. >> On the other hand it could result in him being regarded as the new Gary >> Jules and resigned to some one-hit wonder novelty ghetto. >> Strangely you only have to skew reality a tiny bit for it to be >> plausible - it's relatively easy to imagine people in Christmas hats >> bopping to the chorus of "You're gonna die, you're gonna die, you're >> gonna die alone". It IS very catchy. >> http://www.myspace.com/malcolmmiddleton The video with the children's >> choir and sleigh bells is particularly >> affecting. >> Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:49:31 +0000 From: "Andrew Walkingshaw" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The next Christmas #1? On Dec 12, 2007 12:27 AM, Keith Knight wrote: > 1) that shouldn't put you off the wonderful Arab Strap who for a decade > produced music which referenced virtually no-one else (beyond Glaswegian > drunks) and whose music - as I've said more than once when drunk to a > disbelieving audience - will be played long after we're dead as it > summarises relationships in the late 90s more than anything else "The First Big Weekend" is an amazing song. (They were from Falkirk, though, roughly halfway between Edinburgh and Glasgow; and if you know Scotland, you know that's a difficult place to be...) Andrew ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #258 ********************************