From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #238 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, November 17 2007 Volume 10 : Number 238 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats ["Ian Grant" ] Re: [idealcopy] MBV [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] MBV ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats [rose_dan@colstate.edu] Re: [idealcopy] MBV [RJH ] Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats ["steve ninehouser" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats On Nov 14, 2007 10:29 AM, Ari wrote: > Me too, I'm somewhat taken aback at the 'silence' since R&B3 was released, what's up guys? where's the usual 'critique's'? A As it happens, there's a rather noncommittal Pitchfork review posted today: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/47022-read-burn-03. Personally, I'm very keen on it indeed...perhaps more so than anything else that they've released during this phase. That's partly because it sounds a little more like something I might listen to if it were someone else, something I wasn't inherently interested in. Mainly, though, it's because it feels like a considered, thoughtful part of the on-going process; the previous records have had a tendency to seem like ends in themselves, shutting off possibilities rather than opening them up. And Wire always seem most like my favourite band when they're making me question what they're up to and wonder where they're going next. There have been various comments about it sounding like a Githead record. Well, kinda...but it has a sense of resolution and purpose about it that belongs to Wire as a unit. And there's more of Lewis' voice than we've become used to, which is very welcome. And the drumming is crisp and terse and exact...and, really, the heart of it all. I could live without "Our Time", I must admit...but "23 Years" is an indispensable addition, complete with rather lovely flashes of "Torch It" and other things. Plenty of Eighties echoes in "Desert Diving" too; a tantalising suggestion of what might happen if the second phase work were brought in from the cold and allowed to thaw out. All in all, then, it's both plenty listenable /and/ rather mouth-watering. Better than I had any right to expect, especially given that it appeared out of the blue.... Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:57:57 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats Don't know about a new He Said release - would be good. It's been a while since a substantial Lewis release. Maybe the 27/11 guise is the best bet. Not had much chance to spin RB3, but like what I hear. Nothing jumps out and slaps me in the face like, say, Spent, Mr Marx's Table or 99.9 but good nonetheless. 23 Years Too Late put me slightly in mind of Post Code Orange. On a kind of irrelevant note, are we now in Wire Mk IV, or still III? And is BCG still involved? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats > Was a bit steep, but worth it. Hope you find the change. The online > sound did the real thing no justice.......... > > > Now, who's gonna answer my He Said question? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:27:57 +0000 (GMT) From: PAUL RABJOHN Subject: Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats ages ago there was talk of a new Hox album. wonder what happened to that? there must be enough material for a 27/11 release , but that doesn't necessarily mean it will happen (like the RFH He Said Omala set , which sounded fabulous but never saw the light of day) p Ian B wrote: Don't know about a new He Said release - would be good. It's been a while since a substantial Lewis release. Maybe the 27/11 guise is the best bet. Not had much chance to spin RB3, but like what I hear. Nothing jumps out and slaps me in the face like, say, Spent, Mr Marx's Table or 99.9 but good nonetheless. 23 Years Too Late put me slightly in mind of Post Code Orange. On a kind of irrelevant note, are we now in Wire Mk IV, or still III? And is BCG still involved? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats > Was a bit steep, but worth it. Hope you find the change. The online > sound did the real thing no justice.......... > > > Now, who's gonna answer my He Said question? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:20:04 -0600 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats > On a kind of irrelevant note, are we now in Wire Mk IV, or still III? > > And is BCG still involved? I think it may be Wi*e And - so far as I know BCG is not involved. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:37:42 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] MBV Tickets are still available for added dates on 21 & 22 June, again at the Roundhouse - but better hurry! Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: 16 November 2007 00:17 To: MarkBursa@aol.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] MBV Led Who? Blimey, not looking forward to a morning of RSI trying to get tx for this one! MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Bloody hell. MBV gigs next June. > > On sale tomorrow morning at 9am. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:47:38 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] MBV >>Tickets are still available for added dates on 21 & 22 June, again at the Roundhouse - but better hurry!<< Got mine for Saturday - Seetickets is still showing Sat available but not Sunday. But go direct to roundhouse.org.uk and Sat and Sun tix are available. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:51:27 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] MBV Manchester and Glasgow tickets also available on http://www.seetickets.com/see/event.asp?e|artist=MY+BLOODY+VALENTINE &filler1=see&filler2=home Apologies to those far away or with no interest. ATK - -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] Sent: 16 November 2007 18:48 To: steeleknight@lineone.net; tim@kidsindestructible.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] MBV >>Tickets are still available for added dates on 21 & 22 June, again at the Roundhouse - but better hurry!<< Got mine for Saturday - Seetickets is still showing Sat available but not Sunday. But go direct to roundhouse.org.uk and Sat and Sun tix are available. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:13:04 -0500 From: rose_dan@colstate.edu Subject: Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats Wow...How come no BCG? - ----- Original Message ----- From: David McKenzie Date: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:20 am Subject: Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats > > On a kind of irrelevant note, are we now in Wire Mk IV, or still > III?> > > And is BCG still involved? > > I think it may be Wi*e > And - so far as I know BCG is not involved. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:25:56 -0800 (PST) From: RJH Subject: Re: [idealcopy] MBV Hmm... So it took me a bit, but I finally figured out who MBV are! (Feeling silly now!) Anyway, I just took a look at their site and it looks like they've also got a new album due soon, and are rumored to be playing Coachella next year! Could be good! Rick - ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim To: MarkBursa@aol.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 4:16:30 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] MBV Led Who? Blimey, not looking forward to a morning of RSI trying to get tx for this one! MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Bloody hell. MBV gigs next June. > > On sale tomorrow morning at 9am. > > Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:41:03 -0500 From: "steve ninehouser" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats I really don't think it's true that BG is not involved (though I could be wrong). Firstly, I don't recall any formal announcement on his leaving Wire and secondly, on the front page banner advertising R&B03 on PinkFlag.com all 4 members are pictured. Though Wir did exist at one point, I find it hard to believe that Wire would continue on at this stage in their career without all 4 members contributing. On Nov 16, 2007 3:13 PM, wrote: > Wow...How come no BCG? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David McKenzie > Date: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:20 am > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats > > > > > On a kind of irrelevant note, are we now in Wire Mk IV, or still > > III?> > > > And is BCG still involved? > > > > I think it may be Wi*e > > And - so far as I know BCG is not involved. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:25:37 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats >>I really don't think it's true that BG is not involved (though I could be wrong). Firstly, I don't recall any formal announcement on his leaving Wire and secondly, on the front page banner advertising R&B03 on PinkFlag.com all 4 members are pictured. << More than that - check Bruce's profile page, where there's new copy, including Bruce's favourite Wire moments, etc. He's clearly still a shareholder in Wire plc... However, as to his role in R&B03, that's less clear. If you recall, Bruce "resigned" in 2004, but famously, "his resignation was not accepted". And there it was left. Some degree of sorting things out seemed to take place last year. Meetings were held. The managerial services of P Smith were deemed surplus to requirement. A degree of rapprochement clearly took place. To what extent this meant Bruce was back on board is unclear - it seems Mr Gilbert has turned his back on the electric guitar, but there's nothing that says he has to be a guitarist.... Also, when was R&B03 recorded? There was talk of its existence way back in 04. There does appear to be "Brucenoise" on it. But is that "library" Bruce that's been applied with consent, though without active participation? Remember there's a great deal of Protoolsery involved in Wire's studio constructs. Rob doesn't turn up for every recording session - there's a library of Rob drumming (which goes right back to Wire Mk1 days) which can be looped and manipulated as necessary. Occasionally this is added to. The big shift in R&B03 appears to be Graham's role. Clearly the Lewis Texts are back, big time. One thing missing from Wire Mk3 was the Lewis/Newman composition - Colin building Graham's words into songs. This appears to be back as a main working method. So while Graham's role in Wire Mk3 seemed to be quite peripheral other than in live terms, this time round he's been a lot more involved - certainly stuff was being worked on this time last year, when Graham was over in London doing the 27/11 residency in Notting Hill. So while Wire Mk3 was the Newman/Gilbert edition, is Wire Mk4 the Lewis/Newman edition? It seems that way, though it's almost certainly more complex than that in reality - it usually is! Particularly liking No Warning Given, esp Rob's Jaki impersonation! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:04:39 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats Well, The blurb on pinkflag says: "Colin Newman, Graham Lewis, Robert Grey *and* Bruce Gilbert continue to work on new material, regularly confounding expectations.." which suggests Bruce is in. But if you look at the most recent photo of the band on the site, albeit from 2006 http://www.pinkflag.com/assets/look/gallery/portraits/2006-malka-spigel.jpg Notice someone missing? I'm sure all will become clear. Good to have Wire keeping us all guessing anyway. steve ninehouser wrote: > I really don't think it's true that BG is not involved (though I could > be wrong). Firstly, I don't recall any formal announcement on his > leaving Wire and secondly, on the front page banner advertising R&B03 > on PinkFlag.com all 4 members are pictured. Though Wir did exist at > one point, I find it hard to believe that Wire would continue on at > this stage in their career without all 4 members contributing. > > On Nov 16, 2007 3:13 PM, wrote: >> Wow...How come no BCG? >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: David McKenzie >> Date: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:20 am >> Subject: Re: [idealcopy] visit the museum of backward hats >> >> >>>> On a kind of irrelevant note, are we now in Wire Mk IV, or still >>> III?> >>>> And is BCG still involved? >>> I think it may be Wi*e >>> And - so far as I know BCG is not involved. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #238 ********************************