From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #208 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, October 15 2007 Volume 10 : Number 208 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] L7 , tube & filthy lucre [PAUL RABJOHN ] Re: [idealcopy] L7 , tube & filthy lucre [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] L7 , tube & filthy lucre [Hold ] Re: [idealcopy] L7 , tube & filthy lucre [PAUL RABJOHN ] [idealcopy] Newman on Madman's Honey ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] tv eye / tube ["Keith A" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:39:13 +0100 (BST) From: PAUL RABJOHN Subject: [idealcopy] L7 , tube & filthy lucre firstly , cop this. anyone wanna buy a limited edition book by glen matlock about the pistols 96 comeback tour. for #300 ; The Filthy Lucre Tour: A Personal Diary of The Sex Pistols 1996 World Tour (Hardcover) by Glen Matlock (Author) No customer reviews yet. 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See details and conditions thought not. mark , i fear you are getting your L7 / front bottom incidents confused. the "pissed off at not being allowed to enter the "rear of the year" therefore i'll drop my trousers on live tv" incident was on The Word. the "lob my tampon at unappreciative audience" incident was at the Reading Festival (bigger target i guess). i did see film of the latter , but it wasn't on The Word. i missed the first 45 minutes of The Tube but saw quite enough. blimey that Irish documentary footage was sloooooooowwwww , was that some tumbleweed i saw rolling past one of the many guys allowed to drone on at inordinate length about not much in particular? i'd also forgotten how bad (and utterly unfunny) mark miwurdz was , if you just saw that show you'd have guessed he was the main man (rather than jools). thank god for the undertones saving the day , at least their 7 minutes was well worth the effort. p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:58:57 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] L7 , tube & filthy lucre You'd struggle to think of anyone on the planet who could want it! 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Registered Office: Northcliffe Accounting Centre, PO Box 6795 St George Street, Leicester, LE1 1ZP, co no 272225, Registered in England and Wales, VAT no 243571174. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:40:57 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] L7 , tube & filthy lucre >> mark , i fear you are getting your L7 / front bottom incidents confused. the "pissed off at not being allowed to enter the "rear of the year" therefore i'll drop my trousers on live tv" incident was on The Word. the "lob my tampon at unappreciative audience" incident was at the Reading Festival (bigger target i guess). i did see film of the latter , but it wasn't on The Word.<< Ah yes. Old age. Did occur to me after I posted... Thought L7 were rather good actually. Sounded like the product of an early 90s indie wife swap project whereby Justine Frischmann ended up with Kurt Cobain rather than Damon Albarn. Currently trying to imagine how Hole might have sounded.... >> i missed the first 45 minutes of The Tube but saw quite enough. blimey that Irish documentary footage was sloooooooowwwww , was that some tumbleweed i saw rolling past one of the many guys allowed to drone on at inordinate length about not much in particular? i'd also forgotten how bad (and utterly unfunny) mark miwurdz was , if you just saw that show you'd have guessed he was the main man (rather than jools). thank god for the undertones saving the day , at least their 7 minutes was well worth the effort.<< Whatever happened to Mark Miwurdz? Also the truly wretched standard of the "other" presenter - the northern lad with the bad glasses. Undertones were pretty good, so too Dexys, Kev giving it the usual 110%, plus some of the choicest backing vocals since That Man by the Fall. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:59:15 +0100 (BST) From: PAUL RABJOHN Subject: Re: [idealcopy] L7 , tube & filthy lucre Thought L7 were rather good actually. Sounded like the product of an early 90s indie wife swap project whereby Justine Frischmann ended up with Kurt Cobain rather than Damon Albarn. Currently trying to imagine how Hole might have sounded.... ///// "hungry for stink" , the "hit" L7 album (produced by butch vig) ain't bad at all. i think that's probably all you need though. i think the band did get a bit desperate after that , i vaguely recall a tour where they had a prize draw with a prize (presumably first prize) of sex with the drummer. she was quoted as saying "i'd do anything for this band" , which i guess you just can't dispute really. Whatever happened to Mark Miwurdz? ///// well a lot of those ranting 80's guys now seem to fill up the airwaves on duff Radio 4 panel games. but i suspect MM is too crap even for that. Undertones were pretty good, so too Dexys, Kev giving it the usual 110%, plus some of the choicest backing vocals since That Man by the Fall. ///// i missed Kev. i guess that was Too Rye Aye era? shame he couldn't have launched his Y2K "crap covers , crap lingerie" act in 80's Belfast ; would have got a good reaction from Ian Paisley for sure ;-) p Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:42:23 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] tv eye / tube VH1 is rerunning editions of The Tube on a weekly basis. It actually looks like 'best of' compilations as the bands seem to be bookended by a still youthful-ish Jools Holland and Paula Yates, talking in the past tense about the programme. I used to watch every week, but seeing bits of these repeats, just about everything they've shown has been dire - although there was quite an enjoyable clip of Stanley Unwin the other night. I think most of the buzz around that programme was little more than anticipation; the (slim) chance that there would be something interesting and/or unusual on it. The first 15 minutes were usually the best bet for that (SPK live, albeit in Metal Dance days, 10-second clip of Neubauten - weirdly segueing into Jools interviewing Neil Kinnock, similar length clip of Die Todliche Doris, the odd bit of Cabaret Voltaire), but after that it seemed to be pretty slim pickings (the aforementioned Annie Lennox, Tina Turner, Cameo, Cindy Lauper, Bananarama, lots of here-today-gone-tomorrow bands seeming to fill the rest of the slots. Appearances by the likes of Killing Joke, Stranglers, New order, Iggy Pop, The Fall were pretty rare exceptions as I recall I took to avoiding seeing the opening credits where they listed who'd be on just so that I could sit there in vague hope. Max Headroom was much more adventurous in terms of selection. And I vaguely recall The Tube's short lived slot filler after the first series being something called Switch, which featured Cabaret Voltaire live on one early edition - although I think the bill was topped on the same edition by Bananarama, which is possibly one of the worst band names ever - ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL RABJOHN" To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: [idealcopy] tv eye > just to say tonight More4 are showing one complete episode of The Tube and The Word from 23.00 onwards. they're not saying what bands are on , so this could be either very good or very bad indeed , but probably worth a look. must be some great stuff in the can for both shows unseen in decades , every time i see a highlights package it seems to be some permutation of annie lennox and the thopson twins , but there were definitely some first rate episodes of the tube in it's time. > > there certainly never was a first rate episode of the word , but the format was often 50 minutes of dross and 2 great bands , they got most of the big indie acts of the 90's onboard (and lots of the crap ones) > > could be good then.....p > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9/1067 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 18:02 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:00:23 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] L7 , tube & filthy lucre >>///// i missed Kev. i guess that was Too Rye Aye era? shame he couldn't have launched his Y2K "crap covers , crap lingerie" act in 80's Belfast ; would have got a good reaction from Ian Paisley for sure ;-) p<< Too-rye aye look for sure, but the sound was full-on horn section 1st album style. Kev's lingerie album sold about 300 copies and is a collectors' item. Worth having for the cover alone... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 15:24:24 -0400 From: Hold Subject: Re: [idealcopy] L7 , tube & filthy lucre Uh, not quite right on the L7 info there. Butch Vig DID produce the "hit" L7 album, but it was "Bricks Are Heavy" (Pretend We're Dead, Shitlist, etc). "Hungry for Stink" was the band-produced follow-up that tanked. On 10/14/07, PAUL RABJOHN wrote: > > Thought L7 were rather good actually. Sounded like the product of an > early 90s indie wife swap project whereby Justine Frischmann ended up with > Kurt Cobain rather than Damon Albarn. Currently trying to imagine how Hole > might have sounded.... > > ///// "hungry for stink" , the "hit" L7 album (produced by butch vig) > ain't bad at all. i think that's probably all you need though. i think the > band did get a bit desperate after that , i vaguely recall a tour where they > had a prize draw with a prize (presumably first prize) of sex with the > drummer. she was quoted as saying "i'd do anything for this band" , which i > guess you just can't dispute really. > > > > > Whatever happened to Mark Miwurdz? > > ///// well a lot of those ranting 80's guys now seem to fill up the > airwaves on duff Radio 4 panel games. but i suspect MM is too crap even for > that. > > > > Undertones were pretty good, so too Dexys, Kev giving it the usual 110%, > plus some of the choicest backing vocals since That Man by the Fall. > > ///// i missed Kev. i guess that was Too Rye Aye era? shame he couldn't > have launched his Y2K "crap covers , crap lingerie" act in 80's Belfast ; > would have got a good reaction from Ian Paisley for sure ;-) p > > Mark > - -- www.myspace.com/factus2 www.myspace.com/holdnyc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:55:56 +0100 (BST) From: PAUL RABJOHN Subject: Re: [idealcopy] L7 , tube & filthy lucre Hold wrote: Uh, not quite right on the L7 info there. Butch Vig DID produce the "hit" L7 album, but it was "Bricks Are Heavy" (Pretend We're Dead, Shitlist, etc). "Hungry for Stink" was the band-produced follow-up that tanked. ///// yes you're completely right , it was "bricks are heavy" i meant. HFS isn't much good , though i suspect they got rich when the prodigy covered one of the tracks (fuel my fire) on the album that had "firestarter" on it (the name of that escapes me too , my brain must have been numbed by the Tube). p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:39:50 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] L7 , tube & filthy lucre >>the prodigy covered one of the tracks (fuel my fire) on the album that had "firestarter" on it (the name of that escapes me too << The Fat of the Land. It was allegedly going to be called The Land of the Fat for US release. Ho ho. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:09:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Re: L7 , tube & filthy lucre >>The Fat of the Land. It was allegedly going to be called The Land of the Fat for US release. Ho ho.Mark<< You'd be right on there ar kid, 'cording to latest obesity figures/ A _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:44:58 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: [idealcopy] Von Sudenfed Anybody heard the album or seen them live? The Leeds show was disappointingly cancelled. Apparantly, and surprisingly, due to poor ticket sales. Or do Fall purists didain such extra curricular activities? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:55:37 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: [idealcopy] Newman on Madman's Honey I wonder if this quote from Colin Newman on PInk Flag (describing the version of Madman's Honey on Coatings) is indicative of post-reactivation possible/actual activity. "Like most 1980s Wire, which in my view is cast in an unfavourable light by '80s-style production, this song has yet to see its ultimate version. However, this version is as close to the ideal as it's got so far." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:50:47 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] tv eye / tube > Appearances by the likes of Killing Joke, Stranglers, > New order, Iggy > Pop, The Fall were pretty rare exceptions as I recall Tom Verlaine and Julian Cope were a couple that I remember. One of my favourite performances on it though was by Patti Labelle, singing Lady Marmalade and getting a rather embarrsassed looking dorky lad out of the audience to dance with her. My best mate had somnething of a fixation with it. 'Put it on again, Keith' he would say. And then laugh hysterically. > And I vaguely > recall The Tube's short lived slot filler after the first series being > something called Switch, which featured Cabaret Voltaire live on one early > edition - although I think the bill was topped on the same edition by > Bananarama, which is possibly one of the worst band names ever Yeah, I liked Switch, too. Very dark, dimly lit, it looked so much better than The Tube. The Cab's performance was great (I know they played Just Fascination, though I think they played something else, too). There were also great performances by Paul Haig, The Undertones and Soft Cell with Clint Ruin doing Ghost Rider, a performance that Another The Keith is also a big fan of. K. np The Move - s/t > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PAUL RABJOHN" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:44 AM > Subject: [idealcopy] tv eye > > >> just to say tonight More4 are showing one complete episode of The Tube >> and > The Word from 23.00 onwards. they're not saying what bands are on , so > this > could be either very good or very bad indeed , but probably worth a look. > must be some great stuff in the can for both shows unseen in decades , > every > time i see a highlights package it seems to be some permutation of annie > lennox and the thopson twins , but there were definitely some first rate > episodes of the tube in it's time. >> >> there certainly never was a first rate episode of the word , but the > format was often 50 minutes of dross and 2 great bands , they got most of > the big indie acts of the 90's onboard (and lots of the crap ones) >> >> could be good then.....p >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9/1067 - Release Date: > 12/10/2007 18:02 ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #208 ********************************