From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #194 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, September 20 2007 Volume 10 : Number 194 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again) ["Jon Whitney" ] RE: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again) [Jason Rogers Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again) I really hate statements like this. I think there's an equal amount of good stuff to crap in any year in any decade. People just aren't looking hard enough. For every great band of the '80s, I'm sure I can tell you about 100 irritating bands. On 9/18/07, Jason Rogers wrote: > > > On the 80's topic, add my name to the crowd that grew up in the 80's and, > largely as a result, consider that to be the best music decade. > > - -- Brainwashed Inc. P.O. Box 7 / Arlington, MA 02476 / USA http://brainwashed.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:28:30 +0000 From: Jason Rogers Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again) I should clarify that, by writing that I consider the 80's to be the best decade in music, I mean to say that it's my personal favorite music decade. I first got interested in music via the early 80's stuff that I heard on the radio...INXS, The Human League, Duran Duran, Soft Cell, The Fixx, etc. and then found my way to bands like Echo And The Bunnymen, The Church, Depeche Mode, The Cure, Tears For Fears, The B-52's, R.E.M., New Order, etc...and then to college radio, where I delved deeper and discovered more great music, including Wire's It's Beginning To And Back Again. That I still listen to all of these bands and countless others is a testament not so much for my nostalgia, but for the fact that the songs I liked best back then are quite timeless. I admittedly enjoy a lot of the 80's music that many these days consider to be crap. Mr. Mister, Icehouse, General Public, Berlin, Book Of Love...the list goes on. Just a few days ago, I was sifting through racks at a local used CD store and found a used copy of the Deluxe Edition of Def Leppard's Hysteria, which I had bought on cassette tape pretty much exactly 20 years ago, in September 1987. Loved it back then and still love it...in the same way that I predominantly appreciate Akira Kurosawa, Sergio Leone, and various French New Wave film directors, but still find myself in the occasional mood to just watch a loud over-the-top Michael Bay movie with Transformers fighting each other. I'll be the first to agree with you about the many irritating bands for every one good band in the 80's, though. For every Chameleons UK, there is a Glass Tiger or The Escape Club. For every New Order, there is a Guns N' Roses or Winger...or much worse. With the 80's, though, I continue to find great music that I was previously unaware of. I found a new Altered Images compilation a few weeks back and enjoyed going through the album tracks from that band that I hadn't yet heard. On a completely unrelated note, I notice the link to Brainwashed in your email and have to add that I eagely await my copy of A Place To Bury Strangers. Jason Rogers Now Playing: The Rosebuds - Night Of The Furies Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:08:12 -0400From: turbid@turbid.comTo: inspectorjason@hotmail.comSubject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again)CC: idealcopy@smoe.orgI really hate statements like this. I think there's an equal amount of good stuff to crap in any year in any decade. People just aren't looking hard enough. For every great band of the '80s, I'm sure I can tell you about 100 irritating bands. On 9/18/07, Jason Rogers wrote: On the 80's topic, add my name to the crowd that grew up in the 80's and,largely as a result, consider that to be the best music decade.-- Brainwashed Inc.P.O. Box 7 / Arlington, MA 02476 / USA http://brainwashed.com _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:29:23 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] happy birthday Colin! Hi Jack, First of all - don't worry. We're always glad to see new people, and you haven't done anything wrong. Second - this mailing list tends to go a little off topic when Wire is, shall we say, "inactive". We've known each other for a *long* time and we like to chat with each other - especially about music. We're kind of like a weird, trans-global family. Rest assured - when there's actual Wire news, we are fairly on-target. But, during the down time, the conversations can go pretty tangenital. The only thing that the list owner has asked is that the tangential conversations eventually wind their way back to Wire, or Wire-related topics. And, for the most part they do, or they stop. So - no worries and welcome to IdealCopy! Cheers, Paul - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Craddock" To: "graeme's ghost" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] happy birthday Colin! > Sorry to everyone. I'm new. > > Jack C. in Virginia > > > On 9/16/07, graeme's ghost wrote: >> >> that's only too true. not even debating what to debate is >> appropriate. if >> you've nothing to say about wire, say nothing....lol....:) >> >> On 9/16/07, Jack Craddock wrote: >> > >> > Thank you, Jon Whitney, for making us aware that it is Colin Newman's >> > birthday; and, in doing so, for bringing us back to the reason this >> email >> > group exists: all things Wire. And music that fans of Wire can >> appreciate. >> > IMHO, this newsletter does not exist to debate issues like smoking. I >> > understand it's an important issue, but I think one that is not proper >> or >> > applicable to this forum. That's just my insignificant and naive >> opinion. >> > I >> > hope everyone understands that I am proud to be part of this group. >> > >> > Jack C. in Virginia >> > >> > >> > On 9/16/07, Jon Whitney wrote: >> > > >> > > Colin Newman: b: September 16, 1954 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Brainwashed Inc. >> > > P.O. Box 7 / Arlington, MA 02476 / USA >> > > http://brainwashed.com >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > T. H. Jack Craddock >> > Associate and Business Development Officer >> > Davidson & Garrard, Inc. >> > Registered Investment Advisors >> > 434-847-6600 >> > jcraddock@dg-g.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:33:09 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] Oh yeah.... before I forget... Happy Birthday to Colin and Ari! ^_^ Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:41:02 +0000 From: Jason Rogers Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again) Certainly much appreciated. I heard the APTBS songs on their MySpace page and ordered immediately. It's that good. Jason Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:25:31 -0400From: turbid@turbid.comTo: inspectorjason@hotmail.comSubject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again)CC: idealcopy@smoe.orgYep, I did release APTBS, and we're all completely shocked by its popularity. I have sold out of two pressings of it so far. (Yep I know your name's on the list of people whose mail will go out tomorrow.)There is a lot of really awesome music out there now, though, too. I just don't even have enough time to get intimate with music as much as I want to because there's so much goodness I've been hearing. APTBS I had been telling all these different record labels about, trying to get people to listen to my recommendations, and finally gave up and said "fuck it, i'll put it out myself..." The rest is history. On 9/19/07, Jason Rogers wrote: I should clarify that, by writing that I consider the 80's to be the best decade in music, I mean to say that it's my personal favorite music decade. I first got interested in music via the early 80's stuff that I heard on the radio...INXS, The Human League, Duran Duran, Soft Cell, The Fixx, etc. and then found my way to bands like Echo And The Bunnymen, The Church, Depeche Mode, The Cure, Tears For Fears, The B-52's, R.E.M., New Order, etc...and then to college radio, where I delved deeper and discovered more great music, including Wire's It's Beginning To And Back Again. That I still listen to all of these bands and countless others is a testament not so much for my nostalgia, but for the fact that the songs I liked best back then are quite timeless. I admittedly enjoy a lot of the 80's music that many these days consider to be crap. Mr. Mister, Icehouse, General Public, Berlin, Book Of Love...the list goes on. Just a few days ago, I was sifting through racks at a local used CD store and found a used copy of the Deluxe Edition of Def Leppard's Hysteria, which I had bought on cassette tape pretty much exactly 20 years ago, in September 1987. Loved it back then and still love it...in the same way that I predominantly appreciate Akira Kurosawa, Sergio Leone, and various French New Wave film directors, but still find myself in the occasional mood to just watch a loud over-the-top Michael Bay movie with Transformers fighting each other. I'll be the first to agree with you about the many irritating bands for every one good band in the 80's, though. For every Chameleons UK, there is a Glass Tiger or The Escape Club. For every New Order, there is a Guns N' Roses or Winger...or much worse. With the 80's, though, I continue to find great music that I was previously unaware of. I found a new Altered Images compilation a few weeks back and enjoyed going through the album tracks from that band that I hadn't yet heard. On a completely unrelated note, I notice the link to Brainwashed in your email and have to add that I eagely await my copy of A Place To Bury Strangers. Jason Rogers Now Playing: The Rosebuds - Night Of The Furies Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:08:12 -0400From: turbid@turbid.comTo: inspectorjason@hotmail.comSubject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again)CC: idealcopy@smoe.org I really hate statements like this. I think there's an equal amount of good stuff to crap in any year in any decade. People just aren't looking hard enough. For every great band of the '80s, I'm sure I can tell you about 100 irritating bands. On 9/18/07, Jason Rogers wrote: On the 80's topic, add my name to the crowd that grew up in the 80's and,largely as a result, consider that to be the best music decade.-- Brainwashed Inc.P.O. Box 7 / Arlington, MA 02476 / USA http://brainwashed.com Make your little one a shining star! Shine on!-- Brainwashed Inc.P.O. Box 7 / Arlington, MA 02476 / USAhttp://brainwashed.com _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever  Get MORE with Windows Live Hotmail.. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration _HM_mini_5G_0907 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:25:31 -0400 From: "Jon Whitney" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again) Yep, I did release APTBS, and we're all completely shocked by its popularity. I have sold out of two pressings of it so far. (Yep I know your name's on the list of people whose mail will go out tomorrow.) There is a lot of really awesome music out there now, though, too. I just don't even have enough time to get intimate with music as much as I want to because there's so much goodness I've been hearing. APTBS I had been telling all these different record labels about, trying to get people to listen to my recommendations, and finally gave up and said "fuck it, i'll put it out myself..." The rest is history. On 9/19/07, Jason Rogers wrote: > > I should clarify that, by writing that I consider the 80's to be the best > decade in music, I mean to say that it's my personal favorite music decade. > > > I first got interested in music via the early 80's stuff that I heard on > the radio...INXS, The Human League, Duran Duran, Soft Cell, The Fixx, etc. > and then found my way to bands like Echo And The Bunnymen, The Church, > Depeche Mode, The Cure, Tears For Fears, The B-52's, R.E.M., New Order, > etc...and then to college radio, where I delved deeper and discovered more > great music, including Wire's It's Beginning To And Back Again. That I > still listen to all of these bands and countless others is a testament not > so much for my nostalgia, but for the fact that the songs I liked best back > then are quite timeless. > > I admittedly enjoy a lot of the 80's music that many these days consider > to be crap. Mr. Mister, Icehouse, General Public, Berlin, Book Of > Love...the list goes on. Just a few days ago, I was sifting through racks > at a local used CD store and found a used copy of the Deluxe Edition of Def > Leppard's Hysteria, which I had bought on cassette tape pretty much exactly > 20 years ago, in September 1987. Loved it back then and still love it...in > the same way that I predominantly appreciate Akira Kurosawa, Sergio Leone, > and various French New Wave film directors, but still find myself in the > occasional mood to just watch a loud over-the-top Michael Bay movie with > Transformers fighting each other. > > I'll be the first to agree with you about the many irritating bands for > every one good band in the 80's, though. For every Chameleons UK, there is > a Glass Tiger or The Escape Club. For every New Order, there is a Guns N' > Roses or Winger...or much worse. > > With the 80's, though, I continue to find great music that I was > previously unaware of. I found a new Altered Images compilation a few weeks > back and enjoyed going through the album tracks from that band that I hadn't > yet heard. > > > On a completely unrelated note, I notice the link to Brainwashed in your > email and have to add that I eagely await my copy of A Place To Bury > Strangers. > > > Jason Rogers > > Now Playing: The Rosebuds - Night Of The Furies > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:08:12 -0400 > From: turbid@turbid.com > To: inspectorjason@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again) > CC: idealcopy@smoe.org > > I really hate statements like this. I think there's an equal amount of > good stuff to crap in any year in any decade. People just aren't looking > hard enough. For every great band of the '80s, I'm sure I can tell you about > 100 irritating bands. > > On 9/18/07, *Jason Rogers* wrote: > > > On the 80's topic, add my name to the crowd that grew up in the 80's and, > largely as a result, consider that to be the best music decade. > > > -- > Brainwashed Inc. > P.O. Box 7 / Arlington, MA 02476 / USA > http://brainwashed.com > > > ------------------------------ > Make your little one a shining star! Shine on! > - -- Brainwashed Inc. P.O. Box 7 / Arlington, MA 02476 / USA http://brainwashed.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:50:25 -0400 From: "Jon Whitney" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again) you simply must see them live - it takes it to the most intense levels On 9/19/07, Jason Rogers wrote: > > > Certainly much appreciated. I heard the APTBS songs on their MySpace > page and ordered immediately. It's that good. > > > Jason > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:25:31 -0400 > From: turbid@turbid.com > To: inspectorjason@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again) > CC: idealcopy@smoe.org > > Yep, I did release APTBS, and we're all completely shocked by its > popularity. I have sold out of two pressings of it so far. (Yep I know > your name's on the list of people whose mail will go out tomorrow.) > > There is a lot of really awesome music out there now, though, too. I just > don't even have enough time to get intimate with music as much as I want to > because there's so much goodness I've been hearing. APTBS I had been > telling all these different record labels about, trying to get people to > listen to my recommendations, and finally gave up and said "fuck it, i'll > put it out myself..." > > The rest is history. > > On 9/19/07, *Jason Rogers* wrote: > > I should clarify that, by writing that I consider the 80's to be the best > decade in music, I mean to say that it's my personal favorite music decade. > > > I first got interested in music via the early 80's stuff that I heard on > the radio...INXS, The Human League, Duran Duran, Soft Cell, The Fixx, etc. > and then found my way to bands like Echo And The Bunnymen, The Church, > Depeche Mode, The Cure, Tears For Fears, The B-52's, R.E.M., New Order, > etc...and then to college radio, where I delved deeper and discovered more > great music, including Wire's It's Beginning To And Back Again. That I > still listen to all of these bands and countless others is a testament not > so much for my nostalgia, but for the fact that the songs I liked best back > then are quite timeless. > > I admittedly enjoy a lot of the 80's music that many these days consider > to be crap. Mr. Mister, Icehouse, General Public, Berlin, Book Of > Love...the list goes on. Just a few days ago, I was sifting through racks > at a local used CD store and found a used copy of the Deluxe Edition of Def > Leppard's Hysteria, which I had bought on cassette tape pretty much exactly > 20 years ago, in September 1987. Loved it back then and still love it...in > the same way that I predominantly appreciate Akira Kurosawa, Sergio Leone, > and various French New Wave film directors, but still find myself in the > occasional mood to just watch a loud over-the-top Michael Bay movie with > Transformers fighting each other. > > I'll be the first to agree with you about the many irritating bands for > every one good band in the 80's, though. For every Chameleons UK, there is > a Glass Tiger or The Escape Club. For every New Order, there is a Guns N' > Roses or Winger...or much worse. > > With the 80's, though, I continue to find great music that I was > previously unaware of. I found a new Altered Images compilation a few weeks > back and enjoyed going through the album tracks from that band that I hadn't > yet heard. > > > On a completely unrelated note, I notice the link to Brainwashed in your > email and have to add that I eagely await my copy of A Place To Bury > Strangers. > > > Jason Rogers > > Now Playing: The Rosebuds - Night Of The Furies > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:08:12 -0400 > From: turbid@turbid.com > To: inspectorjason@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again) > CC: idealcopy@smoe.org > > I really hate statements like this. I think there's an equal amount of > good stuff to crap in any year in any decade. People just aren't looking > hard enough. For every great band of the '80s, I'm sure I can tell you about > 100 irritating bands. > > On 9/18/07, *Jason Rogers* wrote: > > > On the 80's topic, add my name to the crowd that grew up in the 80's and, > largely as a result, consider that to be the best music decade. > > > -- > Brainwashed Inc. > P.O. Box 7 / Arlington, MA 02476 / USA > http://brainwashed.com > > > ------------------------------ > Make your little one a shining star! Shine on! > > > > > -- > Brainwashed Inc. > P.O. Box 7 / Arlington, MA 02476 / USA > http://brainwashed.com > > > ------------------------------ > More photos; more messages; more whatever  Get MORE with Windows Live > Hotmail(r). NOW with 5GB storage. Get more! > - -- Brainwashed Inc. P.O. 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