From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #193 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, September 19 2007 Volume 10 : Number 193 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] O.T: Joy Division (again) [Ari ] [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again) [Jason Rogers ] Re: [idealcopy] 80's Smoking ["Andrew Walkingshaw" ] [idealcopy] Some Smokin' 80's crap I listened to............... [Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: Joy Division (again) Personally I very rarely listen to 'em anymore,doubt if I've done so for around 2 years: so I certainly won't be buying.................. - ----- Original Message ---- From: Jon Whitney To: Ari Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:37:03 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: Joy Division (again) "and now we can overcharge you dumb suckers for something you probably already have just because we've made it fetishable" save yourself the $200 and buy some fucking section 25, biting tongues, or ACR discs On 9/17/07, Ari wrote: > > Don't know how much of this'll show but............ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joy > Division Box Set (Vinyl) > > > > > > Formed > in Manchester, England in 1977, Joy > Division were perhaps the ultimate > postpunk band. The quartet defined goth > music on a pair of classic > studio albums, and helped put the seminal Factory > Records label on the > map. Almost as soon as it had begun, it was over -- lead > singer Ian > Curtis committed suicide in 1980, and the remaining members > (guitarist > Bernard Sumner, bassist Peter Hook and drummer Stephen Morris) > re-formed as New Order. A new biopic of the group s troubled frontman, > Control, is about to hit movie theaters (go to www.control-movie.com > for all > the details), so it s the ideal time to reexamine Joy > Division s work, and > Rhino s Limited Edition vinyl set is the ideal way > to do it... > > > Produced by > Martin Hannett, Joy Division s 1979 debut Unknown Pleasures > features ten moody > masterpieces including Insight, Disorder, New > Dawn Fades and She s Lost > Control. The band s 1980 follow-up, Closer, > peers even deeper into the abyss > on such songs as Heart And Soul, > Isolation, Eternal, Decades and the > wrenching Twenty Four > Hours. The posthumous double-album Still followed in > 1981, > collecting twenty studio outtakes, b-sides, live cuts, and other > rarities -- including material from Joy Division s last-ever concert. > All > three of these albums will be reissued as expanded and remastered > 2-CD sets in > October; pre-orders will be taken soon at www.rhino.com/joydivision > > > But > right now you can listen to these landmark releases the way they were > originally meant to be heard...on a record player. Joy Division Box Set > contains new analog versions of these three seminal studio albums. > Issued in a > Limited Edition of 2,000 copies worldwide, this four-disc > set is pressed on > 180-Gram virgin vinyl, and the LPs are housed in an > elegant cloth-covered box > imported from the U.K. and designed by Peter > Saville, who created the > packaging for the original releases. > > > Joy Division Box Set (Vinyl) is > available exclusively from Rhino.com as a limited edition of 2,000 copies > for > $199.98. Get it now at: > www.rhino.com > > > Other Rhino Releases You Might Enjoy: > Gang Of Four -100 Flowers Bloom (Anthology) > New Order -Retro > New Order -316 > Various Artists -A Life Less Lived: The Gothic > > > > > > > > > > Rhinohandmade.com > 3400 W. Olive Ave., Burbank CA 91505 || Privacy Policy || Unsubscribe > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel > today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > - -- Brainwashed Inc. P.O. Box 7 / Arlington, MA 02476 / USA http://brainwashed.com _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:02:44 +0100 (BST) From: Gary or Lizz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 80's Smoking Tim wrote: Nah, no use debating decades it depends where you come in. I grew up in the 80s they were fucking brilliant. I agree, the 80's where fucking brilliant especially at the beginning, as long as you ignored the Mod revival, most of the chart music, the arse end of the New Romantics... and of course the clothes/hair. To me the start of the 80's was the discovery of independent labels, visiting weird record shops (Probe in Liverpool) weird grotty clubs (Wharehouse Liverpool, yes I am from Liverpool) and the realisation that there was other far more interesting music to listen to that commercial radio would'nt touch with a stick. Along with bands others have mentioned, the Postcard label bands where always worth a listen, as well as Killing Joke, Section 25, the Cocteau Twins, The Wild Swans etc etc etc fond memories indeed and I think a lot of it stands up well today. Then again we also had Sigue Sigue Sputnik... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:00:23 +0000 From: Jason Rogers Subject: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Joy Division (again) > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:37:03 -0400> From: "Jon Whitney" > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: Joy Division (again)> > "and now we can overcharge you dumb suckers for something you probably> already have just because we've made it fetishable"> > save yourself the $200 and buy some fucking section 25, biting tongues, or> ACR discs> Turns out that an old acquaintance of mine who lives in Chicago mastered the live discs that come with [i]Closer[/i] and [i]Still[/i] for these reissues. It's another reason for me to look forward to the arrival of these in my mailbox. On the 80's topic, add my name to the crowd that grew up in the 80's and, largely as a result, consider that to be the best music decade. Jason Rogers Now Playing: Def Leppard - Hysteria (2006 Deluxe Edition) _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:59:35 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 80's Smoking On 9/18/07, Tim wrote: > Nah, no use debating decades it depends where you come in. I grew up in the eightees and even then I thought most of them was crap. One thing this decade taught me was to be very critical. I still like lots of 80's stuff, but hate most of the rest, especially what I define as mainstream-alternative - Smiths, Cure, New Order, Depeche Mode, etc. The 80's were mainly about co-opting the ideologies of punk and post-punk into the commercial music industry, creating the labels 'indie' or 'alternative', while in their latter half the most interesting stuff happened in the dance/club scenes. As far as attitudes and trends go, the good times ended around 1983, and the rest was either crap or just certain artists that kept on releasing good stuff despite everything else. It's actually much more accurate to divide the periods not according to decades, but to trends and ideologies, like 1965-1976; 1976-1983; 1984-1993 or 94, etc. giluz - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:20:13 +0100 From: "Andrew Walkingshaw" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 80's Smoking On 9/18/07, giluz wrote: > I grew up in the eightees and even then I thought most of them was > crap. I grew up in the 90s in a little NME bubble and I was delirously in love with music. I wish I could recapture feeling like that, even though I know I'm listening to 'better' music now. Most of the list'd probably despise most of my favourite bands from the decade; Radiohead, Blur, REM, Mogwai, Massive Attack, DJ Shadow (a friend at school lent me 'Endtroducing...'), Pulp, the Auteurs, even early Idlewild; listening to B-sides on NME compilations ('Get a Real Tattoo' by Six by Seven - still an amazing track) like they were some kind of alien transmission. No-one has impeccable taste when they're teenage, and if they do, they're lying, but still... formative influences. There are records there which shaped what I'm into now; 'The Bends', 'After Murder Park', 'Come On Die Young', 'Fables of the Reconstruction', getting into Kraftwerk - or the Smiths - you name it, really. The relentless chasing of references and influences to get back to the source. Wondering what this Wire band everyone kept talking about sounded like; I mean, I knew REM's cover of 'Strange', right? Right? Ultimately, for the sixteen-year-old me, who cares if they'd been done better before, or have been since? They were the right records at the right time for me, even if they were ultimately - with hindsight - in debt to cooler and more 'authentic' bands before them. Mind you, I can see Giluz's point too; growing up in opposition to everything around you'd be an equally powerful experience. Anyhow, Andrew (np: Caribou - 'Andorra') ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:55:48 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 80's Smoking On 9/18/07, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > On 9/18/07, giluz wrote: > > I grew up in the eightees and even then I thought most of them was > > crap. > > I grew up in the 90s in a little NME bubble and I was delirously in > love with music. I wish I could recapture feeling like that, even > though I know I'm listening to 'better' music now. Most of the list'd > probably despise most of my favourite bands from the decade; > Radiohead, Blur, REM, Mogwai, Massive Attack, DJ Shadow (a friend at > school lent me 'Endtroducing...'), Pulp, the Auteurs, even early > Idlewild; listening to B-sides on NME compilations ('Get a Real > Tattoo' by Six by Seven - still an amazing track) like they were some > kind of alien transmission. No-one has impeccable taste when they're > teenage, and if they do, they're lying, but still... formative No one's immune from some bad choices in early age, but I was not referring to those. I was a post-Syd Pink Floyd fan when I was 12 and I guess that it's just pure embarresment that caused my mind to blank trying to think of all the crap I was listening to at 16. For the more inquisitive and adventurous most of those choices are gateways into more 'serious' music, which is great. Still, crap is crap is crap, and because I am constantly trying to distance myself from the sticky realms of nostalgia (I hated being 16, an awful age), listening to those songs nowadays doesn't make me shed any tears. So while I might consider some crap acts as being my personal gateway to better music, I wouldn't call them great. giluz - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:54:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Some Smokin' 80's crap I listened to............... ..............and in some cases, still do: U2 Shriekback XTC Go4 Zappa Miles Davis Bob Marley Peter Tosh U B 40 Steel Pulse Pretenders IJahman Keith Jarrett John Martyn The Fixx The Cure John Lee Hooker Grace Jones Psychedelic Furs Eberhard Weber Zorn Talk Talk Clash B A Dynamite Barbara Thompsons Paraphernalia Dead Can Dance J J Cale Brian Eno The Tubes Incredible String Band Wire James Talking Heads Herbie Hancock Joy Division Undertones V U Lou Reed Miroslav Vitous Cowboy Junkies Roxy Music Tom Waits The The The Pixies Roy Orbison Turtle Island String Quartet Marianne Faithful Elvis Costello John Surman John Taylor Queen The Jam Fleetwood Mac Ray Charles Bruce Ramones Bowie Kronos Quartet REM Art Pepper Jan Garbarek the list (and the beat) goes on......... A _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:55:42 +0100 (BST) From: MonochromaticMan / elektrolad Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: Joy Division (again) Darla Records has all of the LTM releases and FAST shipping! - --- Jon Whitney wrote: > "and now we can overcharge you dumb suckers for > something you probably > already have just because we've made it fetishable" > > save yourself the $200 and buy some fucking section > 25, biting tongues, or > ACR discs > > > > On 9/17/07, Ari wrote: > > > > Don't know how much of this'll show > but............ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joy > > Division Box Set (Vinyl) > > > > > > > > > > > > Formed > > in Manchester, England in 1977, Joy > > Division were perhaps the ultimate > > postpunk band. The quartet defined goth > > music on a pair of classic > > studio albums, and helped put the seminal Factory > > Records label on the > > map. Almost as soon as it had begun, it was over > -- lead > > singer Ian > > Curtis committed suicide in 1980, and the > remaining members > > (guitarist > > Bernard Sumner, bassist Peter Hook and drummer > Stephen Morris) > > re-formed as New Order. A new biopic of the group > s troubled frontman, > > Control, is about to hit movie theaters (go to > www.control-movie.com > > for all > > the details), so it s the ideal time to reexamine > Joy > > Division s work, and > > Rhino s Limited Edition vinyl set is the ideal way > > to do it... > > > > > > Produced by > > Martin Hannett, Joy Division s 1979 debut Unknown > Pleasures > > features ten moody > > masterpieces including Insight, Disorder, New > > Dawn Fades and She s Lost > > Control. The band s 1980 follow-up, Closer, > > peers even deeper into the abyss > > on such songs as Heart And Soul, > > Isolation, Eternal, Decades and the > > wrenching Twenty Four > > Hours. The posthumous double-album Still followed > in > > 1981, > > collecting twenty studio outtakes, b-sides, live > cuts, and other > > rarities -- including material from Joy Division s > last-ever concert. > > All > > three of these albums will be reissued as expanded > and remastered > > 2-CD sets in > > October; pre-orders will be taken soon at > www.rhino.com/joydivision > > > > > > But > > right now you can listen to these landmark > releases the way they were > > originally meant to be heard...on a record player. > Joy Division Box Set > > contains new analog versions of these three > seminal studio albums. > > Issued in a > > Limited Edition of 2,000 copies worldwide, this > four-disc > > set is pressed on > > 180-Gram virgin vinyl, and the LPs are housed in > an > > elegant cloth-covered box > > imported from the U.K. and designed by Peter > > Saville, who created the > > packaging for the original releases. > > > > > > Joy Division Box Set (Vinyl) is > > available exclusively from Rhino.com as a limited > edition of 2,000 copies > > for > > $199.98. Get it now at: > > www.rhino.com > > > > > > Other Rhino Releases You Might Enjoy: > > Gang Of Four -100 Flowers Bloom (Anthology) > > New Order -Retro > > New Order -316 > > Various Artists -A Life Less Lived: The Gothic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rhinohandmade.com > > 3400 W. Olive Ave., Burbank CA 91505 || Privacy > Policy || Unsubscribe > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > _______ > > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network > Research Panel > > today! > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > > -- > Brainwashed Inc. > P.O. Box 7 / Arlington, MA 02476 / USA > http://brainwashed.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:34:31 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Alan Vega's latest album, Station? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cambra, Robert" > Keith asks: "On a different note, anyone else into Alan Vega's latest > album, Station? > > I've given it just one spin so far and I can't remember the last time I > listened to something this dark and grim. Truly a bleak vision and > probably > the wake up call I need, being one of those people who hopes that > everything > is really not so bad. Way to go, Alan! Yeah. Can't believe more people aren't raving about this. Gotta say I admire the chap for being this uncompromising this far into his career. > > And on another different note, how did folks find that album of covers of > "Outdoor Miner?" I came across it for the first time and wondered if I > would > regret spending $7.99 for it. A completist pleasure or just daft? > > Robert (another) I'd veer towards the latter, Robert. A bit hard work really. I've put the link to the Wireviews review and the one I did on evilsponge in case you're interested. http://www.wireviews.com/reviews/a_houseguests_wish.html http://www.evilsponge.org/albums/va__AHouseguestsWish.htm Keith np Synus - rythum (their spelling, not mine) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:44:19 -0400 From: "Jack Craddock" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] happy birthday Colin! Sorry to everyone. I'm new. Jack C. in Virginia On 9/16/07, graeme's ghost wrote: > > that's only too true. not even debating what to debate is > appropriate. if > you've nothing to say about wire, say nothing....lol....:) > > On 9/16/07, Jack Craddock wrote: > > > > Thank you, Jon Whitney, for making us aware that it is Colin Newman's > > birthday; and, in doing so, for bringing us back to the reason this > email > > group exists: all things Wire. And music that fans of Wire can > appreciate. > > IMHO, this newsletter does not exist to debate issues like smoking. I > > understand it's an important issue, but I think one that is not proper > or > > applicable to this forum. That's just my insignificant and naive > opinion. > > I > > hope everyone understands that I am proud to be part of this group. > > > > Jack C. in Virginia > > > > > > On 9/16/07, Jon Whitney wrote: > > > > > > Colin Newman: b: September 16, 1954 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Brainwashed Inc. > > > P.O. Box 7 / Arlington, MA 02476 / USA > > > http://brainwashed.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > T. H. Jack Craddock > > Associate and Business Development Officer > > Davidson & Garrard, Inc. > > Registered Investment Advisors > > 434-847-6600 > > jcraddock@dg-g.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #193 ********************************