From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #190 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, September 16 2007 Volume 10 : Number 190 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: commendations [TnA ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: commendations ["David McKenzie" ] Re: [idealcopy] Zep reform [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: commendations [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Thanks & Recommendations TYK ["Andy Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] Zep reform [=?ISO-8859-1?Q?N=E9meth_Marcell?= ] Re: [idealcopy] Thanks & Recommendations TYK ["graeme's ghost" ] RE: [idealcopy] St Thomas RIP ["Andy Lumbard" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:01:31 -0400 From: TnA Subject: [idealcopy] Re: commendations So many of the recent recommendations seem to reference the 80's, and for me that was a decade where I had to dig very deep for anything of merit, so I'd like to recommend two rather more recent items, although both have roots in the past as well: as for reading, Christopher Hitchens' God Is Not Great, while not redeeming him for his BushWar support (nothing will cleanse that stain) amusingly and rather eloquently explains why God worship is, and has always been, fucked, regardless of your national or ethnic backstory. as for watching and listening, Jem Cohen's Building A Broken Mousetrap, a docu-meditation (that is, part concert film. part art film) featuring the astonishing EX will soon be released on DVD. Happy Trails, T ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:38:41 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: commendations Beg to differ on Hitchens. He is a pathetic, morally bankrupt souse. Having bartended a bit in my youth, the type is instantly recognizable. Technical competance being slowly washed away by a steady stream of liquor to reveal a fatally flawed soul beneath. I have long ceased to lend creedance to his ramblings. On 9/15/07, TnA wrote: > > So many of the recent recommendations seem to reference the 80's, and > for me that was a decade where I had to dig very deep for > anything of merit, so I'd like to recommend two rather more recent > items, although both have roots in the past as well: > > as for reading, Christopher Hitchens' God Is Not Great, while not > redeeming him for his BushWar support (nothing will cleanse that stain) > amusingly and rather eloquently explains why God worship is, and has > always been, fucked, regardless of your national or ethnic > backstory. > > as for watching and listening, Jem Cohen's Building A Broken Mousetrap, > a docu-meditation (that is, part concert film. part art film) > featuring the astonishing EX will soon be released on DVD. > > > Happy Trails, > > T ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:49:44 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Zep reform On 9/13/07, Keith A wrote: > > is having a detrimental effect on the number of people turning up to > > support acts, as smokers are preferring to leave their entry into the > > venue until the last minute so they can have another fag outside. Don t > > think I ve noticed this myself yet (and I tend to go to gigs with > > non-smokers) but it has an air of plausibility. Also, people drink less when they don't smoke and booze is one of the major profits at venues. I always said that the smoking ban at gigs is just the beginning and laws banning the playing of music that could be risky to your health will follow soon, I believe that about 90% of what I'm listening to can be put under that label - fags are just the beginning, beware. Last month someone sued a man for smoking at an outdoor(!!!) cafe in Tel Aviv. Some righteous organisations including the national anti-cancer trust are advocating citizens to call a hotline whenever someone breaks the law. I think smokers should unite and set up an International Smoking Day, just like that green earth crap we had a few months ago, but this time with decent music and the banning of anyone who's a non-smoker. Any decent non-smoker who doesn't feel threatened by passive smoking (well, no more or even less than more risky habits/persons/activities such as 'real' air pollution, making wars, ads and commercials, institutionalised religion, politicians and people that believe Kurt Cobain invented punk) would have to compensate by wearing a T-shirt or a sign advocating smoking in public places. This has gone far more than any disturbance or health risk passive smoking (an existing but grossly over-rated health risk) ever caused. Smoking is cool. giluz - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:00:59 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: commendations >>Beg to differ on Hitchens. He is a pathetic, morally bankrupt souse.<< Hitchens is certainly a twat, as is his bother. But he's right about religion! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:17:29 +0100 From: "Andy Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Thanks & Recommendations TYK Aah, Gary, a good choice IMHO, although a band that can split the cognoscenti of this list. I love them, but I guess that's my love of XTC and general eccentricity. I'm going to see them in Oxford next Saturday, at a one-off gig, and looking forward to the new stuff. We thoroughly enjoyed them last time, and very impressed with their ability to hit the complicated vocal harmonies, whilst playing drums and guitars. On a lighter note, I shall be accompanied by my 14 year-old son. It will be his first trip to the Zodiac, although already has Maps, The Cribs & The Earlies under his belt. AndyL - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Garry Phillipson Sent: 12 September 2007 11:31 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Thanks & Recommendations Whilst I'm here maybe I could mention a couple of my current faves. The Young Knives are a thoroughly odd band - definite elements of early Cure and Gang of Four in there, plus occasional bits of eccentric English whimsy. The lead singer somehow looks exactly wrong to be in a rock group. Someone (maybe on this list) suggested that it's like having David Mitchell (excellent comedian from UK TV series 'Peep Show') as lead singer and that's exactly right. Their 'Voices of Animals and Men' has been excellent company whilst driving lately, and there's 'Terra Firma', the first new track from the next album on their myspace page - well worth a listen: No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/999 - Release Date: 10/09/2007 17:43 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:28:25 -0700 From: "graeme's ghost" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: commendations On 9/15/07, TnA wrote: > > So many of the recent recommendations seem to reference the 80's, and > for me that was a decade where I had to dig very deep for > anything of merit, oddly enough i do find a lot of stuff from the 80s quite good, even some of the 90s, but a lot of the current stuff leaves me cold. fake punk...after 30 years aren't we entitled to something groundbreaking? crotch grabbing rap music has changed very little in 20 years and was much more fun in the early 80s. being half cherokee and half white i find little solace in violent attitude towards whitey. so I'd like to recommend two rather more recent > items, although both have roots in the past as well: > > as for reading, Christopher Hitchens' God Is Not Great, while not > redeeming him for his BushWar support (nothing will cleanse that stain) > amusingly and rather eloquently explains why God worship is, and has > always been, fucked, regardless of your national or ethnic > backstory. sadly, it is not enough for the idol worhipers to enjoy their belief amongst themselves but they have to kill everyone who goes against it. religion is always something to force on others while showing yourself to be full of disbelief and a lack of ability to follow it's precepts, such as "thou shalt not kill". > as for watching and listening, Jem Cohen's Building A Broken Mousetrap, > a docu-meditation (that is, part concert film. part art film) > featuring the astonishing EX will soon be released on DVD. > > > Happy Trails, > > T ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:36:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: commendations Mark: >>Hitchens is certainly a twat, as is his bother. But he's right about religion!<< AMEN to that. Ari _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:54:38 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?N=E9meth_Marcell?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Zep reform No, I suppose the main point behind the smoking ban is letting non-smokers to enjoy their free time without bathing in that bloody smoke, and, to help employees working in those venues not to die in lung cancer at 40. As for profits, a large number of smokers light their cigarettes in these venues because they can't stand standing in fume without smoking (I still writing about the present, as the ban is only going to be effective by January 2009 here in Hungary), in fact I know quite many people who don't smoke at all but when visiting concerts, pubs etc. I'm sure getting familiar with the new custom will cause much less stress than the change from nappies to toilet for a 3 years old. Smoking is not cool at all - for those who dislike it. Marcell giluz mrta: > On 9/13/07, Keith A wrote: > >>> is having a detrimental effect on the number of people turning up to >>> support acts, as smokers are preferring to leave their entry into the >>> venue until the last minute so they can have another fag outside. Don t >>> think I ve noticed this myself yet (and I tend to go to gigs with >>> non-smokers) but it has an air of plausibility. >>> > > Also, people drink less when they don't smoke and booze is one of the > major profits at venues. I always said that the smoking ban at gigs is > just the beginning and laws banning the playing of music that could be > risky to your health will follow soon, I believe that about 90% of > what I'm listening to can be put under that label - fags are just the > beginning, beware. Last month someone sued a man for smoking at an > outdoor(!!!) cafe in Tel Aviv. Some righteous organisations including > the national anti-cancer trust are advocating citizens to call a > hotline whenever someone breaks the law. I think smokers should unite > and set up an International Smoking Day, just like that green earth > crap we had a few months ago, but this time with decent music and the > banning of anyone who's a non-smoker. Any decent non-smoker who > doesn't feel threatened by passive smoking (well, no more or even less > than more risky habits/persons/activities such as 'real' air > pollution, making wars, ads and commercials, institutionalised > religion, politicians and people that believe Kurt Cobain invented > punk) would have to compensate by wearing a T-shirt or a sign > advocating smoking in public places. > > This has gone far more than any disturbance or health risk passive > smoking (an existing but grossly over-rated health risk) ever caused. > > Smoking is cool. > giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:26:27 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Joy Division reissues >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:52:11 -0400 >From: "C. Dunton" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Thanks & Recommendations > >I'm hoping these get a US issuing, because the prices I've seen on a >quick cursory glance are more than I'm ready to pay to buy them for >the third time. The live discs are surely great, but somehow I doubt >the mastering on the regular albums will top what's already on "Heart >& Soul". > I think that Rhino Records will be releasing the Joy Division Deluxe Editions of Unknown Pleasures, Closer, and Still on October 30. I figure, however, that the $26.99 price for each at The Ideal Copy for the imports on September 18 are going to be roughly equivalent to what the eventual U.S. releases will cost in most stores. I'll let y'all know how the sound and the live concerts are on the reissues as soon as they show up on my doorstep. Jason Rogers Now Playing: Soviet - We Are Eyes We Are Builders _________________________________________________________________ Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:21:42 -0700 From: "graeme's ghost" Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] Zep reform - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: graeme's ghost Date: Sep 15, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Zep reform To: Nimeth Marcell hell, i remember when it was a veritable fog of pot smoke. all the second hand smoke rubbish is just to detract from industrial pollution. i don't hear anyone bitching about diesel smoke balching from public transport. the second hand smoke aspects of being caged in with 50,000 pot smokers was much more interesting. i think equal time for auto emissions from second hand nonsmokers is in order. taking pot shots at the average person having a fag is like people in america griping about child support from fathers who never get to see their children. it gives the publics bloodlust a focus far from government bull...and has us attacking and snitching off our neighbors. it's the government and industry that is really to blame. having a fag is nothing in the scheme of things like global warming. let bands give nonsmoking shows if they give a shit. to quote william s. burroughs "i remember when a man's personal habits were just that, personal." too many people minding everyone elses business and giving global fascism a blank check. in the old sense of the formula c+m=f. capitalism +murder = fascism. hence, iraq. np:mr. pleasant On 9/15/07, Nimeth Marcell wrote: > > No, I suppose the main point behind the smoking ban is letting > non-smokers to enjoy their free time without bathing in that bloody > smoke, and, to help employees working in those venues not to die in lung > cancer at 40. As for profits, a large number of smokers light their > cigarettes in these venues because they can't stand standing in fume > without smoking (I still writing about the present, as the ban is only > going to be effective by January 2009 here in Hungary), in fact I know > quite many people who don't smoke at all but when visiting concerts, > pubs etc. I'm sure getting familiar with the new custom will cause much > less stress than the change from nappies to toilet for a 3 years old. > > Smoking is not cool at all - for those who dislike it. > Marcell > > > giluz mrta: > > On 9/13/07, Keith A wrote: > > > >>> is having a detrimental effect on the number of people turning up to > >>> support acts, as smokers are preferring to leave their entry into the > >>> venue until the last minute so they can have another fag outside. Don > t > >>> think I ve noticed this myself yet (and I tend to go to gigs with > >>> non-smokers) but it has an air of plausibility. > >>> > > > > Also, people drink less when they don't smoke and booze is one of the > > major profits at venues. I always said that the smoking ban at gigs is > > just the beginning and laws banning the playing of music that could be > > risky to your health will follow soon, I believe that about 90% of > > what I'm listening to can be put under that label - fags are just the > > beginning, beware. Last month someone sued a man for smoking at an > > outdoor(!!!) cafe in Tel Aviv. Some righteous organisations including > > the national anti-cancer trust are advocating citizens to call a > > hotline whenever someone breaks the law. I think smokers should unite > > and set up an International Smoking Day, just like that green earth > > crap we had a few months ago, but this time with decent music and the > > banning of anyone who's a non-smoker. Any decent non-smoker who > > doesn't feel threatened by passive smoking (well, no more or even less > > than more risky habits/persons/activities such as 'real' air > > pollution, making wars, ads and commercials, institutionalised > > religion, politicians and people that believe Kurt Cobain invented > > punk) would have to compensate by wearing a T-shirt or a sign > > advocating smoking in public places. > > > > This has gone far more than any disturbance or health risk passive > > smoking (an existing but grossly over-rated health risk) ever caused. > > > > Smoking is cool. > > giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:38:53 -0400 From: "Jon Whitney" Subject: [idealcopy] glad you dig APTBS there might be a London show coming up soon so all you brits can come check out the amazing live experience yourself! - -- Brainwashed Inc. P.O. Box 7 / Arlington, MA 02476 / USA http://brainwashed.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:21:19 -0700 From: "graeme's ghost" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Thanks & Recommendations TYK xtc, a gig? how cool. i hope we will get a full report! On 9/15/07, Andy Lumbard wrote: > > Aah, Gary, a good choice IMHO, although a band that can split the > cognoscenti of this list. I love them, but I guess that's my love of XTC > and > general eccentricity. I'm going to see them in Oxford next Saturday, at a > one-off gig, and looking forward to the new stuff. We thoroughly enjoyed > them last time, and very impressed with their ability to hit the > complicated > vocal harmonies, whilst playing drums and guitars. > > On a lighter note, I shall be accompanied by my 14 year-old son. It will > be > his first trip to the Zodiac, although already has Maps, The Cribs & The > Earlies under his belt. > > AndyL > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of Garry Phillipson > Sent: 12 September 2007 11:31 > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] Thanks & Recommendations > > Whilst I'm here maybe I could mention a couple of my current faves. > > The Young Knives are a thoroughly odd band - definite elements of early > Cure > and Gang of Four in there, plus occasional bits of eccentric English > whimsy. > The lead singer somehow looks exactly wrong to be in a rock > group. Someone > (maybe on this list) suggested that it's like having David Mitchell > (excellent > comedian from UK TV series 'Peep Show') as lead singer and that's exactly > right. Their 'Voices of Animals and Men' has been excellent company > whilst > driving lately, and there's 'Terra Firma', the first new track from the > next > album on their myspace page - well worth a listen: > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/999 - Release Date: > 10/09/2007 > 17:43 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:08:51 +0100 (BST) From: MonochromaticMan / elektrolad Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Joy Division reissues I bought the Joy Division box set when it was released. I'm in no hurry to replace it. If anything, I'll buy the vinyl reissues. wnd3 - --- Jason Rogers wrote: > >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:52:11 -0400 > >From: "C. Dunton" > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Thanks & > Recommendations > > > >I'm hoping these get a US issuing, because the > prices I've seen on a > >quick cursory glance are more than I'm ready to pay > to buy them for > >the third time. The live discs are surely great, > but somehow I doubt > >the mastering on the regular albums will top what's > already on "Heart > >& Soul". > > > > I think that Rhino Records will be releasing the Joy > Division Deluxe > Editions of Unknown Pleasures, Closer, and Still on > October 30. > > I figure, however, that the $26.99 price for each at > The Ideal Copy for the > imports on September 18 are going to be roughly > equivalent to what the > eventual U.S. releases will cost in most stores. > > I'll let y'all know how the sound and the live > concerts are on the reissues > as soon as they show up on my doorstep. > > > Jason Rogers > > Now Playing: Soviet - We Are Eyes We Are Builders > > _________________________________________________________________ > Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and > earn great prizes! > http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:03:57 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Thanks & Recommendations TYK Alas not, he means he's going to see The Young Knives who sound a bit like XTC. Unfortunately Andy Partridge's aversion to the live stage would seem to be permanent and Colin Moulding has apparently hung up his bass for good. graeme's ghost wrote: > xtc, a gig? how cool. i hope we will get a full report! > > On 9/15/07, Andy Lumbard wrote: >> Aah, Gary, a good choice IMHO, although a band that can split the >> cognoscenti of this list. I love them, but I guess that's my love of XTC >> and >> general eccentricity. I'm going to see them in Oxford next Saturday, at a >> one-off gig, and looking forward to the new stuff. We thoroughly enjoyed >> them last time, and very impressed with their ability to hit the >> complicated >> vocal harmonies, whilst playing drums and guitars. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:21:32 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Joy Division reissues MonochromaticMan / elektrolad wrote: > I bought the Joy Division box set when it was > released. I'm in no hurry to replace it. > If anything, I'll buy the vinyl reissues. > > I'll stick with the box set too. I was a New Order fan before JD, and when I started to delve into their stuff I started with the Peel Sessions and later Substance and somewhat peversely, these remain my favourite Joy Division records. Substance is really weird and has a very odd track selection but it works and i'm glad its still available. Love Will Tear Us Apart is being re-issued as a single as well and there is a vinyl box set which will retail for the scary price of #120! For 3 LPs? Disgraceful. I'm sure Ian would be proud that 25 years after his death his fans are being fucking fleeced. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:17:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: smoking >>to quote william s. burroughs "i remember when a man's personal habits were just that, personal." too many people minding everyone elses business and giving global fascism a blank check. in the old sense of the formula c+m=f. capitalism +murder = fascism. hence, iraq.<< This of course is utter crap, if what a person does is a 'personal' habit he should keep it to himself and not blow smoke in non smokers faces, as I said to Giulz in an off list email I smoked for nigh on 50 years (47) but never once smoked at a table if there were non smokers there, never once smoked in a restaurant or insisted on my right to pollute other peoples air. such ideas are pure selfishness, a fuck you mate I'm o.k, it's this attitude that causes strife and war and ends up costing us all in the loss of life and health care, when you guys gonna wake up and smell the roses and stop smelling fucking nicotine all fucking day and thinking it's a cool thing to annoy others. A _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:16:08 +0100 From: "Andy Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] St Thomas RIP Nooo...that's a real shame. A great entertainer in the troubadour style of presentation. A memorable performance at The Stables supporting Lambchop, and I also thought he had a lot to offer, but reading his website, he seemed 'troubled' in later years AndyL - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Knight Sent: 12 September 2007 23:01 To: Idealcopy Subject: [idealcopy] St Thomas RIP The excellent Norwegian musician St Thomas has died at the age of 31 apparently from a drugs overdose. I know Andy L was a fan. I saw him at least three times and found him a tremendously engaging performer. A sad loss. Details here (scroll down for English) - http://www.stthomas.no/ After a short while his voice unexpectedly comes in which is a bit disconcerting if you're not expecting it. Another the Keith No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/999 - Release Date: 10/09/2007 17:43 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/999 - Release Date: 10/09/2007 17:43 ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #190 ********************************