From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #165 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, August 15 2007 Volume 10 : Number 165 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] we jam econo [TnA ] [idealcopy] Bergman and Tony Wilson RIP ["Mats Hammerman" ] Re: [idealcopy] 154 [Ari ] RE: [idealcopy] Bergman and Tony Wilson RIP ["Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] we jam econo i've never been a huge fan of America's west coast punk, although there were always some contenders (screamers,germs,X), but the Minutemen were surely one of the best American bands of their era. Their philosophy, and its expression in their lifestyle and music, was honest,original, and reflective of a side of America that New York and Hollywood were never concerned with. Of course, if their music was not good, this would be a minor point at best, but it was very good...angular, marxist,start/stop,and arty, with behind the scenes influences ranging from Parliament/Funkadelic to Creedence to Coletrane. we jam econo is a documentary from a year or so ago, highly recommended, and Mr. C. Newman makes a brief appearance in which he states that wire were quite aware of the influence they had on that era of musicians, in this case particularly regarding the length of songs. your correspondent exits stage left T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:51:50 +0200 From: "Mats Hammerman" Subject: [idealcopy] Bergman and Tony Wilson RIP Hi again, Being one of the few Swedes on the list I had to comment on PAUL RABJOHN comment on Swedes low interest on Bergman. Sadly it's quite true. I like most of his films but his production is so massive that few Swedes have seen all. Most of them only the TV version of Fanny & Alexander (fantastic 5 hours). I must admit I discovered his early works quite recently after a fantastic TV-documentary that really changed my view of him. Apart from directing films he also set up a great amount of theatre plays and some books as well. A very impressive legacy. His death have strangely changed the way Swedes see him. When director like Woody Allen and Ang Lee expresses great adminaration and that his death became headlines the world over suddenly Swedes have changed view of him and is now very proud of him and is now hailing him as one of the most important Swedes of the 1900. Strange. But he became famous in an era when many of the outstanding Swedes were looked on by suspicion by Swedes in common and often where harrrassed by the press and Swedish IRS. When it comes to TW. What a sad loss. He was a great inspiratarion when we started our own label in 1979 and still we make more history than money in the spirit of TW. We felt connected to Factory and TW as our hometown Sundsvall often was called Swedens Manchester, being full of good punk and postpunk bands in the yearly 80-ies and also a old industrial town that had seen better days. I have most of the early releases but I must admit that I dont listen to Dorutti Column every day. But some of the other stuff. Wow...I had a friend who tried to collect all factory releases but gave up when he found out that some of them was just posters or tickets impossible to get hold on. All the best Mats Massproduktion, Box 377, S-851 06 Sundsvall, SWEDEN, phone +46 60 12 22 02, fax +46 60 61 90 31, web: http://www.massproduktion.com http://www.myspace.com/massproduktion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:52:27 +0200 From: "Woerner, Frank-Juergen" Subject: AW: [idealcopy] RE: OT-Republic >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] Im Auftrag von Jason Rogers >Gesendet: Montag, 21. Mai 2007 18:24 >An: idealcopy@smoe.org >Betreff: [idealcopy] RE: OT-Republic > > >For me, the New Order material released during the 90's (well, I guess there was only one album of theirs released in that decade), pales in comparison >to the first self-titled Electronic album. Electronic never got a lot of >attention here in the States, but I bought the first album on the day of >release in 1991 and played it non-stop all through that summer. It's one >of my all-time favorite albums to this day. I like the second Electronic >album, Raise The Pressue, better than most and the third one, Twisted >Tenderness, ain't bad either. The recent single-disc Electronic >compilation from Rhino Records is worth a listen for the two previously-unreleased outtakes that could have been singles in their own right. cdwow offers a cd+dvd version of this. It says all tracks are 2006 remixed versions. Has anyone an opinion about the remix quality of the songs? I'm a fan of Electronic and think of ordering it. regards, Frank ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:35:13 +0100 From: tony clough Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V10 #163 OT:Tony Wilson Hi, I've missed some of the forgoing on this so sorry if I'm repeating what's been said. Like a lot of people, including his friends and associates, I didn't always know what to make of Tony Wilson and only a few of "his" acts made any impression on me but I do remember him (rightly/wrongly ?) as the man who put punk on TV. Peel was playing some of the stuff and you could read about it in the music press but for a fourteen year old desperate to find out what was going on, too young and a bit too timid, to hear much live first-hand, the stuff that filtered through from Granada TV was manna from Heaven at a time when, on the odd occasion that punk got TV exposure the tone was usually derisory or derogatory. As far as Manchester was concerned, there was too much going on for it not to come to something, but without the exposure he gave it I doubt if some of it would have got beyond the confines of the Lesser Free Trade Hall. Tony. A Clough Enrolments and Records Officer Student Records Office Goldsmiths University of London New Cross London SE14 6NW 020 7919 7506 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:35:10 -0400 From: Curtis Burns Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 154 "The Ideal Copy" on 8/13/07 8:56 PM, David McKenzie at davidmack@gmail.com wrote: > Its Beginning To And Back Again > NP: "Prezens" David Torn/Craig Taborn/Tim Berne/Tom Rainey - -- Cheers, [ t h a t t u r t l e ] --uu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:20:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 154 My fave too............ - ----- Original Message ---- From: Curtis Burns To: Ideal Copy Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:35:10 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 154 "The Ideal Copy" on 8/13/07 8:56 PM, David McKenzie at davidmack@gmail.com wrote: > Its Beginning To And Back Again > NP: "Prezens" David Torn/Craig Taborn/Tim Berne/Tom Rainey - -- Cheers, [ t h a t t u r t l e ] --uu _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:12:35 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Bergman and Tony Wilson RIP Not wishing to impugn Sweden in any way but, from an international perspective, I'm stretching to think of many Swedes who had more of an impact in the C20 than Bergman - Abba, Garbo, Bjorn Borg, maybe Dag Hammarskjold... There were loads of great actors, but then they mostly tended to be in Bergman films. The Danes I know seem to take a similar approach to Carl Dreyer, who is certainly up there with Bergman. Maybe (aside from France?) great directors are never recognised by the mass - too difficult to watch, let's have some more action. Fergus' recent post re Terence Davies reminds us that Britain is by no means immune in not recognising the great among our own. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mats Hammerman Sent: 14 August 2007 10:52 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Bergman and Tony Wilson RIP Hi again, Being one of the few Swedes on the list I had to comment on PAUL RABJOHN comment on Swedes low interest on Bergman. Sadly it's quite true. I like most of his films but his production is so massive that few Swedes have seen all. Most of them only the TV version of Fanny & Alexander (fantastic 5 hours). I must admit I discovered his early works quite recently after a fantastic TV-documentary that really changed my view of him. Apart from directing films he also set up a great amount of theatre plays and some books as well. A very impressive legacy. His death have strangely changed the way Swedes see him. When director like Woody Allen and Ang Lee expresses great adminaration and that his death became headlines the world over suddenly Swedes have changed view of him and is now very proud of him and is now hailing him as one of the most important Swedes of the 1900. Strange. But he became famous in an era when many of the outstanding Swedes were looked on by suspicion by Swedes in common and often where harrrassed by the press and Swedish IRS. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #165 ********************************