From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #136 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, July 7 2007 Volume 10 : Number 136 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] FOPP RIPP [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. [MonochromaticMan / elektrolad] Re: [idealcopy] Re: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. - normalised [MonochromaticMan] Re: [idealcopy] Re: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. - normalised ["David McKenzie"] Re: [idealcopy] Re: we're all devo ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. - normalised ["Paul Pietromona] Re: [idealcopy] Re: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. - normalised ["Paul Pietromona] [idealcopy] from rough trade mailing list ["Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FOPP RIPP On 7/5/07, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > > And, of course - none of these are lossless formats. Lossless compression > formats include include Windows Media Lossless and there's an Apple one as > well. These sound identical to the original CD - but the file sizes are > still huge compared to the heavily compressed files. Lossless formats compress to about half the size of the original WAV or AIFF. But the compression gets more efficient when you use it on higher sample rates/bit rates. iPod has some difficulty playing those, just as it has difficulties playing WAV files - it sometimes skips, because of the file sizes. BTW, "old" 20GB pre-video iPods do play AAC and lossless formats if you update their OS. giluz. > - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:54:45 +0100 (BST) From: MonochromaticMan / elektrolad Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. I encode all of my itunes files as mp3s. They give you the option. That way I can change the track information, pictures or whatever. And it's easier to use those mp3s in other programs. Itunes will not let you do that with the AAC files. wnd3 - --- David McKenzie wrote: > Any thoughts as to non iTunes AAC encoders? > > > On 7/5/07, Paul Pietromonaco > wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Okay - it looks like this gentleman hasn't updated > his webpage/tests in a > > long time. Still - there's some good info in > here: > > > > The last 128kbps comparison is here: > > > http://www.rjamorim.com/test/multiformat128/results.html > > > > Ogg Vorbis is the best, but AAC isn't too far > behind. And - that's using > > iTunes 4.2 - which is quite old. iTunes is up to > 7.3 now (I think). > > > > More modern tests show AAC doing quite well > against Ogg, etc. Example > > here: > > > http://members.chello.nl/~m.heijligers/ipod/Compression/compression.html > > > > Cheers, > > Paul > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Pietromonaco" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:19 AM > > Subject: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > By the way - if you're curious about 128 kbps > comparisons, surf here: > > > > http://www.rjamorim.com/test/128extension/results.html > > > > > > His main page is here: > > > http://www.rjamorim.com/test/index.html > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Paul > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:04:58 +0100 (BST) From: MonochromaticMan / elektrolad Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. - normalised OK, maybe one of you can answer this for me. When I rip a disc with itunes sometimes the track volumes differ. When I rip with other programs and import them to itunes I do not have this problem. I've only noticed this when playing back on the ipod. I don't want to use the normalise option when ripping cause it only makes it worse. Any suggestions? Thanks, Billy - --- Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > Sure, > > Nero Digital Audio uses AAC. RealPlayer 10 can > encode AAC. For open source > FAAC will do it as well. They all enocde fairly > well - I've heard good > things about all of them. > > (Heck - I even use the FAAC libraries for AAC > support when I compile FFMPEG. > FFMPEG is an open source video encoder that I use to > create high resolution > AVC (+AAC audio) videos for my PSP.) > > Why not iTunes, though? It's one of the best, it > uses QuickTime's reference > AAC encoder, and it's not particularly Apple > specific. > > Plus - it's free for Mac and PC. > > Are you looking for a Linux version, perhaps? Did I > answer your question? > > There's a very good reference about AAC here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding > and here: > http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=AAC > > Cheers, > Paul > > P.S. BTW - I create all of my podcasts > (http://www.weasel-bot.com/~weasel_bot/rss/podcast.xml) > in AAC, then convert to MP3 during the mastering > stage for compatibility > reasons. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David McKenzie" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:37 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. > > > > Any thoughts as to non iTunes AAC encoders? > > > > > > On 7/5/07, Paul Pietromonaco > wrote: > >> > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> Okay - it looks like this gentleman hasn't > updated his webpage/tests in a > >> long time. Still - there's some good info in > here: > >> > >> The last 128kbps comparison is here: > >> > http://www.rjamorim.com/test/multiformat128/results.html > >> > >> Ogg Vorbis is the best, but AAC isn't too far > behind. And - that's using > >> iTunes 4.2 - which is quite old. iTunes is up to > 7.3 now (I think). > >> > >> More modern tests show AAC doing quite well > against Ogg, etc. Example > >> here: > >> > http://members.chello.nl/~m.heijligers/ipod/Compression/compression.html > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Paul > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Paul Pietromonaco" > > >> To: > >> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:19 AM > >> Subject: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. > >> > >> > >> > Hi everyone, > >> > > >> > By the way - if you're curious about 128 kbps > comparisons, surf here: > >> > > http://www.rjamorim.com/test/128extension/results.html > >> > > >> > His main page is here: > >> > http://www.rjamorim.com/test/index.html > >> > > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > Paul > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:40:32 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. - normalised Don' use iTunes? ^_- CDEX/LAME is my preferred MP3 ripping solution. On 7/6/07, MonochromaticMan / elektrolad wrote: > > OK, maybe one of you can answer this for me. When I > rip a disc with itunes sometimes the track volumes > differ. > When I rip with other programs and import them to > itunes I do not have this problem. I've only noticed > this when playing back on the ipod. > I don't want to use the normalise option when ripping > cause it only makes it worse. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Billy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:04:08 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: we're all devo A mate of mine got that same Mechanical Man disc. I think all the tracks on there (from memory Mechanical Man, Automodown/Spacegirls/Blockhead and something else?) all later surfaced on the Hardcore releases. I seem to remember some borderline pointless flexi disc coming free with the picturedisc version of Are We Not Men that featured a snippet of Sloppy being played live, followed by some seemingly random audience member talking about Devo. And somewhere on tape I have (or used to have) the Workforce To The World bootleg, which, as best as I recall, is a mix of live stuff and radio interviews with Mark Mothersbaugh and Jerry Casale ("We're peddling insanity and purposelessness; because people need it") - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: we're all devo / French 'art' movies > >>>I got the Recombo and Devo Live from Rhino Handmade when they were first > available. Recombo is definitely worth owning. Enough demos to make an > alternate Freedom of Choice. > Most of the demos were actually quite good.<<< > > This stuff passed me by at the time. > > I do have the Mechanical Man 7-inch 45, which had early versions of some > 'classic' numbers on it and was some sort of bootleg (nowhere does the name > Devo appear on it), although might have just been made to look that way to > appeal to gullible teenagers (ie me). They must have made a lot of demos in > the early days. > > B > > www.thisisnorthcliffe.co.uk > > Any opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. 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Registered Office: Northcliffe Accounting Centre, PO Box 6795 St George Street, Leicester, LE1 1ZP, co no 272225, Registered in England and Wales, VAT no 243571174. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.1/888 - Release Date: 06/07/2007 06:36 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:32:01 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. - normalised Hi everyone, (Pulling some posts together + some commentary, etc....) > OK, maybe one of you can answer this for me. When I > rip a disc with itunes sometimes the track volumes > differ. > When I rip with other programs and import them to > itunes I do not have this problem. I've only noticed > this when playing back on the ipod. > I don't want to use the normalise option when ripping > cause it only makes it worse. > Yeah - you most likely have "Sound Check" on. It's *supposed* to average all of the sound volumes, but sometimes it gets very aggressive. (^_^) It's also a "per track" average instead of an "album" average. Try turning "Sound Check" off in iTunes and your iPod. The nice thing is that Sound Check doesn't *actually* change the sound volume of the ripped file - it writes it as a parameter to the ID3 tag, which brings us to the next topic... >I encode all of my itunes files as mp3s. They give you > the option. That way I can change the track > information, pictures or whatever. And it's easier to > use those mp3s in other programs. > Itunes will not let you do that with the AAC files. Not true - AAC supports the same ID3 tag as MP3. You can even edit them with third party editors. I can drop album art, lyrics, etc. with AAC files in iTunes. I think what you're running into is *DRM*ed AAC - different ball of wax entirely. Are you trying this with tracks you rip yourself? It works with iTunes for me for tracks I rip. You may need a newer version of iTunes. > Don' use iTunes? > ^_- > CDEX/LAME is my preferred MP3 ripping solution. > Ha ha! Funny! (^_-) I'm not as big a fan of LAME myself - iTunes (based on QuickTime 7.1.6) has a slightly better MP3 encoder to my ears. BUT - I never did use the custom LAME tuning parameters that some websites suggest - they're supposed to sound awesome. I probably need to update my LAME version as well - still have 3.96.1. By the way - iTunes uses QuickTime for all of its media encoding/decoding. So - if you particularly like your version of iTunes - I prefer iTunes 6's UI to some of the later versions, plus iTunes 7 updates your database structure - you can just update QuickTime to get the latest codecs. You don't have to load the iTunes/QuickTime bundle anymore. I just keep QuickTime updated, and use the iTunes I prefer. (The software tester in me must point out that this is not necessarily thoroughly tested. Apple supports it - but their posted policy is to always update both together. Always try it first - works great for me.) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:03:41 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. - normalised >>I encode all of my itunes files as mp3s. They give you >> the option. That way I can change the track >> information, pictures or whatever. And it's easier to >> use those mp3s in other programs. >> Itunes will not let you do that with the AAC files. > > Not true - AAC supports the same ID3 tag as MP3. You can even edit them > with third party editors. I can drop album art, lyrics, etc. with AAC > files in iTunes. I think what you're running into is *DRM*ed AAC - > different ball of wax entirely. Are you trying this with tracks you rip > yourself? It works with iTunes for me for tracks I rip. You may need a > newer version of iTunes. > Okay - self correction here. It's a *similar* ID tag - but not exactly the same. Apparently, Apple/iTunes started adding metadata, ala ID3 tags, and everyone else adopted it. The MP4 file container format has some wiggle-room, I guess. (^_^) Nero, for instance, uses a slightly different format. I'm noticing that a number of 3rd party Tag editors support .m4a/iTunes tags, so that seems reasonable. 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