From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #135 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, July 6 2007 Volume 10 : Number 135 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] FOPP RIPP ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] FOPP RIPP Cheers, Paul. Good points, well made, which makes one wonder why manufacturers like Archos don't offer basic AAC playback on their devices (let alone Ogg Vorbis, Flac, etc). Cost, I suppose. B - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paul Pietromonaco Sent: 05 July 2007 08:10 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FOPP RIPP > Apple, of course, want people to buy their aac files. At least MP3s > can be played back on just about anything digital audio player and do > sound pretty good to my ears... > One clarification about this. AAC is not Apple specific. AAC is actually MPEG MP4 audio. PSPs can play them, for example. (I think Zune's can as well - (^_^)) And, as I've said before, I prefer AAC to MP3 for similar bitrates. And - you don't have to buy them. iTunes, Nero Digital and many other programs will encode AAC audio - there's even open source encoders that can do it. If more manufacturers stepped up to the technological challenge, we could all enjoy them. That was one of the main reasons I originally bought a PSP - AAC compatibility. (Also the AVC video compatibility - aka MP4 Level 10 or H264. PSP has *hardware* playback of these formats - much smoother than the iPod's software decoder) Now DRM encyrpted AAC - that's a totally different ball of wax. That's Apple's baby all the way. But - standard, unencrypted AAC - that iTunes can encode? Believe it or not, that's an international MPEG standard. It's just up to you, the consumer, to demand that manufacturers support it. Cheers, Paul www.thisisnorthcliffe.co.uk Any opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software. Warning: Computer viruses may be transmitted or downloaded onto any computer system via e-mail communication. It is the recipientbs responsibility to take appropriate action to prevent computer viruses being transmitted In this way. Accordingly Northcliffe Media Ltd disclaim all responsibility which arises directly or indirectly from such transmission of computer viruses. Northcliffe Media Ltd. Registered Office: Northcliffe Accounting Centre, PO Box 6795 St George Street, Leicester, LE1 1ZP, co no 272225, Registered in England and Wales, VAT no 243571174. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:44:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FOPP RIPP >>Good points, well made, which makes one wonder why manufacturers like Archos don't offer basic AAC playback on their devices (let alone Ogg Vorbis, Flac, etc). Cost, I suppose.<< I'm sure it has technical advantages, but Ogg Vorbis is surely the betamax of digital formats! Suffers from 'Crispy Ambulance syndrome' too - users can't get past the daft name.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:41:20 +0100 (BST) From: MonochromaticMan / elektrolad Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: we're all devo / French 'art' movies I got the Recombo and Devo Live from Rhino Handmade when they were first available. Recombo is definitely worth owning. Enough demos to make an alternate Freedom of Choice. Most of the demos were actually quite good. wnd3 - --- PAUL RABJOHN wrote: > i'd agree "oh no its devo" is the last one really > worth having , the mid-80's albums (freedom of > choice / new traditionalists / oh no) all have a few > good tracks but they're a bit "samey" with a lot of > filler , like a lot of 80's synth bands there seemed > to be a real problem differentiating all the tracks > (hi barney). > > i bought hardcore vols 1&2 , which are ok in > places (and seem to be worth loads now). not got > this "recombo DNA" one , nor the "Mongoloid Years" > (again , that seems to sell for a fortune now). > these are all i guess early demos / rehearsals > drip-fed out while the band were on hiatus. > > well in hmv solihull (my new lunchtime haunt > post-fopp) pink flag is #6 but no others in stock. p > > Ian B wrote: > I stuck with Devo's diminishing returns up to Oh > No It's Devo, by which > point, barring a couple of half decent tracks, > they'd begun to sound like > just another band, no matter how much theorising > they tried to spin around > the music. But I daresay I'd moved on anyway as this > was between the ages > of approx 12-16. I'm not sure I've even heard any of > the subsequent albums > in their entirety. > Hardcore Vols 1 and 2 yielded a few 'Sound of Things > Falling Apart' gems; > and the post the other day was the first I'd heard > of Recombo DNA, which > sounds potentially interesting. > As for the first two albums being 'of a piece' it's > true that they were very > much dividing up available material for albums 1 and > 2, but yet they still > have a very different feel to them. Can't quite > place why (more synths > perhaps) and I loved DNFTF at the time, but it just > sounded dreary the other > day. I'm not sure any amount of remastering could > lift it much higher. > And yes, the 2-lps-on-one can be got pretty cheap, > but the packaging is a > massive let-down. > (on the subject of 'pretty cheap' HMV is currently > pricing the remastered > Pink Flag at #8.00, whilst CM and 154 are still > being touted at #13) > I caught a brief glimpse of Dev2O singing Whip It on > the box a few weeks > back and it looked appalling. No idea what the > market for that kind of > thing might be. > > As for offers to tape Histoire Naturelle on TV5, > many thanks guys. I tried > to track down the listings on the web but to no > avail. No matter, I might > have another lead. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PAUL RABJOHN" > > To: "Michael Halsted" ; > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 7:26 AM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: we're all devo > > > > well the 2-lps-on-one-cd isseus they've done are > certainly very cheap (#5 > in fopp.....) but i've still just got the original > albums on vinyl. last > week i bought a really good 2cd anthology "pioneers > who got scalped" which > has about 4/5 tracks off each album plus lots of > rarities , cost me #8 on > ebay. sounds really good , and would be a good place > to start for anyone who > thought they lost it after the first album. > > > > i've never heard devo 2.0. sounded a pretty devo > idea to me though.p > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:56:41 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: we're all devo / French 'art' movies >>>I got the Recombo and Devo Live from Rhino Handmade when they were first available. Recombo is definitely worth owning. Enough demos to make an alternate Freedom of Choice. Most of the demos were actually quite good.<<< This stuff passed me by at the time. I do have the Mechanical Man 7-inch 45, which had early versions of some 'classic' numbers on it and was some sort of bootleg (nowhere does the name Devo appear on it), although might have just been made to look that way to appeal to gullible teenagers (ie me). They must have made a lot of demos in the early days. B www.thisisnorthcliffe.co.uk Any opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software. Warning: Computer viruses may be transmitted or downloaded onto any computer system via e-mail communication. It is the recipientbs responsibility to take appropriate action to prevent computer viruses being transmitted In this way. Accordingly Northcliffe Media Ltd disclaim all responsibility which arises directly or indirectly from such transmission of computer viruses. Northcliffe Media Ltd. Registered Office: Northcliffe Accounting Centre, PO Box 6795 St George Street, Leicester, LE1 1ZP, co no 272225, Registered in England and Wales, VAT no 243571174. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:43:06 +0100 From: "Scott Kellock" Subject: [idealcopy] The Sealed Cupboard Society Hey guy I asked you to check this band out 6 months ago.......A band who started from scratch and where you can follow thier progress. All rehearsals are recorded all be it with a #3.99 mike out of Argos. Well check out the latest AWOL Session tracks like "Dangerous" "Under Pressure" and even a sneaky wee cover of "The Commercial". Some of the session was recorded on a webcam. DIY music at it's bet guys. So spend a little time and check them out Cheers http://www.thesealedcupboardsociety.com/ http://www.myspace.com/thesealedcupboardsociety Please leave comments on the guestbook ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:44:03 +0100 From: "Scott Kellock" Subject: [idealcopy] The Sealed Cupboard Society Hey guy I asked you to check this band out 6 months ago.......A band who started from scratch and where you can follow thier progress. All rehearsals are recorded all be it with a #3.99 mike out of Argos. Well check out the latest AWOL Session tracks like "Dangerous" "Under Pressure" and even a sneaky wee cover of "The Commercial". Some of the session was recorded on a webcam. DIY music at it's bet guys. So spend a little time and check them out Cheers http://www.thesealedcupboardsociety.com/ http://www.myspace.com/thesealedcupboardsociety Please leave comments on the guestbook ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:37:15 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. Any thoughts as to non iTunes AAC encoders? On 7/5/07, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Okay - it looks like this gentleman hasn't updated his webpage/tests in a > long time. Still - there's some good info in here: > > The last 128kbps comparison is here: > http://www.rjamorim.com/test/multiformat128/results.html > > Ogg Vorbis is the best, but AAC isn't too far behind. And - that's using > iTunes 4.2 - which is quite old. iTunes is up to 7.3 now (I think). > > More modern tests show AAC doing quite well against Ogg, etc. Example > here: > http://members.chello.nl/~m.heijligers/ipod/Compression/compression.html > > Cheers, > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Pietromonaco" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:19 AM > Subject: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > By the way - if you're curious about 128 kbps comparisons, surf here: > > http://www.rjamorim.com/test/128extension/results.html > > > > His main page is here: > > http://www.rjamorim.com/test/index.html > > > > > > Cheers, > > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:17:07 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. Sure, Nero Digital Audio uses AAC. RealPlayer 10 can encode AAC. For open source FAAC will do it as well. They all enocde fairly well - I've heard good things about all of them. (Heck - I even use the FAAC libraries for AAC support when I compile FFMPEG. FFMPEG is an open source video encoder that I use to create high resolution AVC (+AAC audio) videos for my PSP.) Why not iTunes, though? It's one of the best, it uses QuickTime's reference AAC encoder, and it's not particularly Apple specific. Plus - it's free for Mac and PC. Are you looking for a Linux version, perhaps? Did I answer your question? There's a very good reference about AAC here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding and here: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=AAC Cheers, Paul P.S. BTW - I create all of my podcasts (http://www.weasel-bot.com/~weasel_bot/rss/podcast.xml) in AAC, then convert to MP3 during the mastering stage for compatibility reasons. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McKenzie" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. > Any thoughts as to non iTunes AAC encoders? > > > On 7/5/07, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Okay - it looks like this gentleman hasn't updated his webpage/tests in a >> long time. Still - there's some good info in here: >> >> The last 128kbps comparison is here: >> http://www.rjamorim.com/test/multiformat128/results.html >> >> Ogg Vorbis is the best, but AAC isn't too far behind. And - that's using >> iTunes 4.2 - which is quite old. iTunes is up to 7.3 now (I think). >> >> More modern tests show AAC doing quite well against Ogg, etc. Example >> here: >> http://members.chello.nl/~m.heijligers/ipod/Compression/compression.html >> >> Cheers, >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Pietromonaco" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:19 AM >> Subject: 128kbps AAC, MP3, etc. >> >> >> > Hi everyone, >> > >> > By the way - if you're curious about 128 kbps comparisons, surf here: >> > http://www.rjamorim.com/test/128extension/results.html >> > >> > His main page is here: >> > http://www.rjamorim.com/test/index.html >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #135 ********************************