From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #114 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, June 12 2007 Volume 10 : Number 114 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Eternal dust, less ticklish [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] Tim Buckley - My Fleeting House [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Tim Buckley - My Fleeting House [Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Eternal dust, less ticklish Outdoor Miner performed by Barbara Streisand anyone ? See "Fantasy cover versions" in link below - scroll down a bit, it's under the picture of Tom Jones.. Fergus http://www.roomtemperature.org http://www.asullenrelapse.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/ferguskellyrecordings http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/sets/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:10:12 +0100 (BST) From: MonochromaticMan / elektrolad Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: for bit torrent users DEMONOID.com!!! - --- Ari wrote: > As some of you might have seen... > > TorrentSpy.com Ordered By Judge to Become MPAA Spy > > http://news.com.com/TorrentSpy+ordered+to+start+tracking+visitors/2100-1030_3-6189866.html > > Please note: > > Torrent Spy has decided to fight the ruling. > > TorrentSpy has promised in its privacy policy never > to track visitors without their consent. > > > TorrentSpy is not located in the US (so this is > really an attack on the ISPs of the US.) > > Ira > Rothken, Torrentspy's attorney has stated that if > they fail to fight > the ruling "It is likely that TorrentSpy would turn > off access to the > U.S. before tracking its users," > > > > I wanted to keep > everyone informed on this issue. While I am going > to continue my > support of TorrentSpy and will continue to use them > everyday... I am > asking all of you to stop. > > While Torrents > are impossible to track... website user information > is not. And while > I am sure that the owners of TorrentSpy would sooner > set a match to > their sever system before they would hand ANYTHING > over, the ISPs of > the US are not that strong willed. > > For the moment it is only TorrentSpy that is > effected. Feel free to use all the others. > can't find that charity? http://www.charityads.org/ > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > My musik? http://www.myspace.com/elektrolad / http://www.bolt.com/elektrolad/ My dj mixes http://www.musicv2.com/artist/elektrolad -OR- visit my webpages for old music downloads: http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ http://home.earthlink.net/~2signs/ http://home.netcom.com/~keepleft/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:27:46 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] Tim Buckley - My Fleeting House Hi everyone, I think there may be a few Tim Buckley fans on the list. I just wanted to let you know that I picked up a video compilation DVD - "My Fleeting House", and I'd give it a thumbs up. Tim was quite prolific during his 9 year career - releasing 9 albums during that time. He played many concerts throughout those 9 years, but video recordings that document these performances are few and far between. Still, a few video recordings do exist - and this is probably the best collection of them I've ever seen. The collection is arranged chronologically - starting off with Tim's stellar (and relatively famous) recording of Song To The Siren from the last episode of The Monkees (1967) and ending with Tim's performance of Dolphins from the Old Grey Whistle Test backed by Family (!)(1974). There are 14 songs total - 11 of which are full length. All have been remastered to the best quality possible - although the footage is still pretty dicey. Each performance is prefaced by an interview with David Browne (Tim's biographer), Lee Underwood (Tim's guitarist) and Larry Beckett (Tim's lyricist), although the DVD has the option of playing the performances only. A note on the abbreviated performances - two of them are excerpts from longer movies/TV specials that just happen to feature Tim. This type of footage is usually never included in these compilations, and is great to see. The songs are almost full length, anyway. Only one is a montage of video performances from what looks like home video - and since it's excerpted it doesn't overstay its welcome. Of interest are the Starsailor-era performances. There are 4 clips - two from "The Show" and two from "Boboquivari". Very few recordings of the Starsailor-era band exist, and these are probably as close as we're gonna get. The DVD is available in NTSC & PAL - amazon.com/amazon.co.uk is your best bet. Admittedly a niche item - but I'm very glad somebody finally put this together before this footage is lost entirely. Apparently, some of the performances have more footage - let's hope that full length versions are released someday. More information here: http://www.timbuckleydvd.com Cheers, Paul P.S. Just in case you want to know, there's a note at the bottom of the disc: "This video is authorized by the Estate of Tim Buckley and the Warner Music Group. This is NOT a bootleg, and the best possible video sources have been used in the creation of this DVD." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:39:26 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tim Buckley - My Fleeting House Hi Keith, > I've been meaning to get this, but having checked the tracklisting, I must > say I find it disappointing. > > Sure Dolphins, performed with that pick-up band, is there (I should bloody > hope so - it's one of the finest performances to ever grace OGWT), but > where is the other track, Honey Man, he performed on that show? > Yeah - that's the thing, isn't it? People have mentioned that omission. Apparently there's more of "The Show" performance with the Starsailor band too. > Similiarly, there's a a really good performance of I'm Coming Home Again > in the BBC vaults (in b&w IIRC). Not sure what show it was from in the > first place, but the Beeb showed it as part of their Sound of the 60's > series some years ago. > Wait - "I'm Coming Home Again"? Tim never did a song by that title officially. I did a quick You Tube search - I think you're thinking of "Happy Time"? (Clips that match that title on You Tube are actually Happy Time. The YouTube folks may be using the "I'm coming home again" title to get around copyright restrictions. Various versions of that clip have been pulled.) That clip *is* on the DVD - from the BBC and B&W as you remembered. Looks and sounds great too. Plus - you get a totally different take from Dutch TV a couple of months later that looks and sounds even better! > Two shocking ommisions as far as I'm concerned - especially considering > the dearth of Buckley performances. > (Well - one shocking omission maybe! (^_^)) Like I mentioned in my earlier review - there's more performances that exist. This is (hopefully) the first disc to pull some of this stuff together. I look at this disc not so much for the avid collector, but for the normal person who isn't as versed in Tim's work. The program is created in such a way that you get a fairly good feel for his career arc. For contrast, my wife - who's not as much of a Tim fan - although she loves Song Of The Siren - thought the film was 2 hours long - instead of 70 minutes. ^_^ > Coincidentally, I've recently started reading Lee Underwoods biog of Tim, > Blue Melody. It's early days yet, but I'm thinking this might well be an > example of one of those books where 60's musicians talk bollocks. (See Ray > Manzerek!) I'm thinking that on recent evidence that the producers write > better biogs, having enjoyed those by Joe Boyd and Tony Visconti. > I was afraid of that. I bought an autographed copy of Andy Summer's auto-biography at the Police show - I've heard that one's pretty good. (^_^) > And one last thing talking of Tim... I read a review of a George Michael > Wembley gig earlier, which stated that he began the show by singing Song > To The Siren from the wings. > Before I incur the wrath of the idealcopy masses, I must say that George Michael is a decent singer. I would never buy one of his albums, go to his shows, etc., but he can sing. I did see him on a Queen tribute special on television, and he was one of the few people that actually channeled Freddy Mercury correctly - and I'm not a huge Queen fan either! I would imagine that he could do Song To The Siren pretty well. *shudder* George Michael. The wrath of Mark Bursa - take me now! (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:01:01 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tim Buckley - My Fleeting House Hi Paul, > Wait - "I'm Coming Home Again"? Tim never did a song by that title > officially. I did a quick You Tube search - I think you're thinking of > "Happy Time"? Yes, that's the same track. I taped it off SOTS, and I *think* it's listed as ICHA there. It's listed as Coming Home To You (Happy Time) on the Peel Sessions ep, and on the Once I Was cd which features both that session and the OGWT tracks (both!), so I think maybe Tim was rather undecided as to what to call it! Anyway, just played it from the The Dream Belongs To Me collection, and it's a fab track - whatever the bloody thing's called! ; ). > That clip *is* on the DVD - from the BBC and B&W as you remembered. Looks > and sounds great too. Plus - you get a totally different take from Dutch > TV a couple of months later that looks and sounds even better! You've sold it me! > I was afraid of that. I bought an autographed copy of Andy Summer's > auto-biography at the Police show - I've heard that one's pretty good. > (^_^) Yes, supposed to be very good. > *shudder* George Michael. The wrath of Mark Bursa - take me now! (^_^) Take no notice. I've met Mark loads of times, and he's forever whistling Bad Boys. That Wham t-shirt is getting a bit tight, mind! ; ) K. np Tim Buckley - The Dream Belongs To Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:37:59 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tim Buckley - My Fleeting House Hi Keith, > It's listed as Coming Home To You (Happy Time) on the Peel Sessions ep, > and on the Once I Was cd which features both that session and the OGWT > tracks (both!), so I think maybe Tim was rather undecided as to what to > call it! > Ah - yes - that makes sense. See - Happy Time didn't officially make an album until Blue Afternoon - which was released in ~1970. (Recorded after Lorca!!) But - the song dates from just before the Happy/Sad album - which is when those '68 tours were done. It was also recorded about that time for possible inclusion - hence the Works In Progress/Dream Belongs To Me version - but was dropped for unknown reasons. My guess is that Tim just called it "Coming Home To You" in 1968, and didn't title it "Happy Time" until 1970. (^_^) > Anyway, just played it from the The Dream Belongs To Me collection, and > it's a fab track - whatever the bloody thing's called! ; ). > Hear hear! Wait until you hear the Dutch version. (^_^) That was done as a trio - Tim, Lee and Carter - in a much smaller space - as opposed to the BBC version - which featured Tim, Lee, Carter, and Danny Thompson from Pentangle. > > You've sold it me! > Uh oh - I hope you enjoy it - or I'm in big trouble.... (^_^;) I do think it's a pretty good deal at #11.98 (amazon.co.uk) or $14.99 (amazon.com). >> *shudder* George Michael. The wrath of Mark Bursa - take me now! (^_^) > > Take no notice. I've met Mark loads of times, and he's forever whistling > Bad Boys. > > That Wham t-shirt is getting a bit tight, mind! ; ) > Okay - there's an image that's gonna take a while to get out of my mind. Thanks for that one! (And - I've never even seen a picture of Mark!) (^_-) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:53:28 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tim Buckley - My Fleeting House May I remind you both of that the laws of libel often provide generous recompense to the victim. So please carry on with your insinuartions that I might (a) have been known to wear a wham t-shirt and (b) may be slightly above my ideal fighting weight. I may have difficulty in disproving the latter claim, however! Messrs Sue, Grabbit and Runne have nonetheless been instructed. Anyway, Ridgeley was the talented one ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:07:28 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tim Buckley - My Fleeting House I've been meaning to get this, but having checked the tracklisting, I must say I find it disappointing. Sure Dolphins, performed with that pick-up band, is there (I should bloody hope so - it's one of the finest performances to ever grace OGWT), but where is the other track, Honey Man, he performed on that show? It's a great version, too. OK it may veer a bit too close to some bar-room band for the liking of some folk here, but Buckley's in fine voice. To be honest, it makes no sense it not being on the DVD - OGWT repeated it circa 1983, so I can't see that the BBC would have destroyed it after that date, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who taped it (I think my copy's a bit shite, mind). Similiarly, there's a a really good performance of I'm Coming Home Again in the BBC vaults (in b&w IIRC). Not sure what show it was from in the first place, but the Beeb showed it as part of their Sound of the 60's series some years ago. Two shocking ommisions as far as I'm concerned - especially considering the dearth of Buckley performances. Coincidentally, I've recently started reading Lee Underwoods biog of Tim, Blue Melody. It's early days yet, but I'm thinking this might well be an example of one of those books where 60's musicians talk bollocks. (See Ray Manzerek!) I'm thinking that on recent evidence that the producers write better biogs, having enjoyed those by Joe Boyd and Tony Visconti. And one last thing talking of Tim... I read a review of a George Michael Wembley gig earlier, which stated that he began the show by singing Song To The Siren from the wings. Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pietromonaco" To: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Tim Buckley - My Fleeting House > Hi everyone, > > I think there may be a few Tim Buckley fans on the list. I just wanted to > let you know that I picked up a video compilation DVD - "My Fleeting > House", and I'd give it a thumbs up. > > Tim was quite prolific during his 9 year career - releasing 9 albums > during that time. He played many concerts throughout those 9 years, but > video recordings that document these performances are few and far between. > Still, a few video recordings do exist - and this is probably the best > collection of them I've ever seen. > > The collection is arranged chronologically - starting off with Tim's > stellar (and relatively famous) recording of Song To The Siren from the > last episode of The Monkees (1967) and ending with Tim's performance of > Dolphins from the Old Grey Whistle Test backed by Family (!)(1974). There > are 14 songs total - 11 of which are full length. All have been > remastered to the best quality possible - although the footage is still > pretty dicey. Each performance is prefaced by an interview with David > Browne (Tim's biographer), Lee Underwood (Tim's guitarist) and Larry > Beckett (Tim's lyricist), although the DVD has the option of playing the > performances only. > > A note on the abbreviated performances - two of them are excerpts from > longer movies/TV specials that just happen to feature Tim. This type of > footage is usually never included in these compilations, and is great to > see. The songs are almost full length, anyway. Only one is a montage of > video performances from what looks like home video - and since it's > excerpted it doesn't overstay its welcome. > > Of interest are the Starsailor-era performances. There are 4 clips - two > from "The Show" and two from "Boboquivari". Very few recordings of the > Starsailor-era band exist, and these are probably as close as we're gonna > get. > > The DVD is available in NTSC & PAL - amazon.com/amazon.co.uk is your best > bet. > > Admittedly a niche item - but I'm very glad somebody finally put this > together before this footage is lost entirely. Apparently, some of the > performances have more footage - let's hope that full length versions are > released someday. > > More information here: > http://www.timbuckleydvd.com > > Cheers, > Paul > > P.S. Just in case you want to know, there's a note at the bottom of the > disc: "This video is authorized by the Estate of Tim Buckley and the > Warner Music Group. This is NOT a bootleg, and the best possible video > sources have been used in the creation of this DVD." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:45:48 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: for bit torrent users MonochromaticMan / elektrolad wrote: > DEMONOID.com!!! > > Oh, ah...cap in hand, anyone wanna help out a fellow idealcopyist out with an invitation code? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:03:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Luminescent Orchestri Well Worth Seeing......... 6.23.07 Destination Area 10-- London, England 6.25.07 The Bell-- Bath, England 6.27.07 The Common Place--Leeds, England 6.28.07 The Taylor John House--Coventry, England 6.29.07 WORKHOUSE FESTIVAL--Wales 7.01.07 Summer Sessions on The Terrace.-Bracknell, England 7.11.07 Les Trois Arts-- Paris, France 7.12.07 Divan Du MondeParis, France 7.14.07 Parade of 5 senses--Hastingues, France 7.24.07 cassoulet, whisky, ping-pong--Lyon, France 7.25.07 cassoulet, whisky, ping-pong--Lyon, France 7.27.07 La ferti saint aubin-- Orleans, France 8.01.07 Bloomsbury Lanes--London, England 8.04.07 Carrbridge Arts Center--Carrbridge, Scotland 8.09.07 Poolewe Arts Center--Poolewe, Scotland 8.10.07 Tartan Heart FestivalBelladrum, Scotland 8.12.07 Cafe Cossachok--Glasgow, Scotland 8.13.07 Spiegeltent Edinburgh Fringe Festival--Scotland 8.14.07 Spiegeltent Edinburgh Fringe Festival--Scotland 8.17.07 The Lemon Tree--Aberdeen, Scotland 8.17.07 Universal Hall Findhorn Foundation--Findhorn, Scotland 8.18.07 Lochniver Arts Center-Lochniver, Scotland 8.19.07 Cafe Cossachok-Glasgow, Scotland 8.20.07 Spiegeltent Edinburgh Fringe Festival--Scotland 8.21.07 Spiegeltent Edinburgh Fringe Festival--Scotland 8.24.07 Cromarty Hall-Orkney Islands, Scotland 8.31.07 The Green Note--London, England can't find that charity? http://www.charityads.org/ _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:50:38 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tim Buckley - My Fleeting House >>Sure Dolphins, performed with that pick-up band, is there (I should bloody hope so - it's one of the finest performances to ever grace OGWT), but where is the other track, Honey Man, he performed on that show? It's a great version, too. OK it may veer a bit too close to some bar-room band for the liking of some folk here, but Buckley's in fine voice. To be honest, it makes no sense it not being on the DVD - OGWT repeated it circa 1983, so I can't see that the BBC would have destroyed it after that date, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who taped it (I think my copy's a bit shite, mind).<< Both tracks have been repeated in recent OGWT compilations on BBC2 and (more recently) BBC4. There are two separate series of shows, hosted by Whispering Bob. I think TB's in the 74 show, along with Captain Beefheart. BBC4 showed the first four shows again in January but not the latter ones, which is annoying as I'm missing a good copy of one or two of the 80s editions (Gang of Four, PiL etc). No doubt they will surface in the fullness of time. At least one of the tracks is on the official OGWT DVD - perghaps this is why it's not on the Buckley DVD? Keith, did Tim Buckley ever play the Buckley Tivoli? Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:30:34 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tim Buckley - My Fleeting House MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > May I remind you both of that the laws of libel often provide generous > recompense to the victim. So please carry on with your insinuartions that I might > (a) have been known to wear a wham t-shirt and (b) may be slightly above my > ideal fighting weight. I never wore a Wham T Shirt either, I'm pro-choice anyway! Say what you like about Wham I still maintain that Club Tropicana is a work of pure, pop genius and encapsulates the entire mainstream early-mid 80s experience in 3 minutes of slap bass, parping brass, Linndrums and Fairlight synth. > > Anyway, Ridgeley was the talented one ;-) > Well he didn't do badly out of the deal. George makes a living out of whinging about press intrusion, whinging about his record contracts, falling asleep in his car, smoking too much dope and occasionally waking up and trying to keep his shaky career going. Ridgeley just pocketed lots of cash for miming the guitar and adding a few handclaps and basically being Bez before Bez was invented. Drove lots of fast racing cars and then married the pretty one out of Bananrama and they now live in a 15th century mansion in Cornwall. Wham Bam! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #114 ********************************