From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #107 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, June 5 2007 Volume 10 : Number 107 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Small question from long-time lurker... [Andrew Duncan Subject: [idealcopy] Small question from long-time lurker... *pops head above water briefly* Just a quick q. here. Nowt that vital, but a little brainworm all the same, any help gratefully accepted. The Electric Ballroom 29 Feb 1980 gig which is split over D+E/T&S; what's the actual complete setlist? Sure I used to have a note of this somewhere, but can I find it now? Can I ****. Ta in advance... AjD *disappears back underwater with nary a ripple left behind* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:47:52 +0100 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Return Of The Only Ones Thanks Keith. Great review. I wish I could write like that :( I was strolling down the aisle in Tesco last week to the sound of their indoor muzac system playing 'Another Girl Another Planet'. To be fair, it was always a great pop song. U. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith A" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: [idealcopy] The Return Of The Only Ones >I trudged to this Manchester gig somewhat apprehensively. Could they still > deliver or was it better just to remember them the way they were? I had my > doubts, and it wasn't helped when I first laid eyes on them as they walked > on-stage. Because whilst drummer Mike Kellie looked better than might > reasonably have been expected in the light of his illness, the tiny, thin, > frail Perrett really doesn't look in good shape. I'd seen recent photos in > various magazines, but even they didn't prepare me for what he looked like > live and up close. Admittedly, Perrett was never exactly a picture of > health > in the first place - indeed when I saw them back in 1980 I remember being > amazed by how baggy his leather trousers seemed - but now, well lets just > say > on all these years of heroin abuse have clearly taken its toll. There's > nothing of him - I honestly don't mean to sound distasteful but his arms > look > something like you would see in some WWII POW photo. As for the others - > bassist Alan Mair, who has clearly aged better than the others, looks like > your friendly uncle, whilst guitarist John Perry has started to resemble > your > friendly village butcher, although, with that constant smug expression, I > couldn't help thinking that with a pair of glasses on Perry would look not > unlike that camp, aloof vicar on Dad's Army. > > Still, most eyes were on Perrett, and although he looked a little nervous, > he > couldn't resist a smile when he saw the audience reaction, and no doubt > felt > the warmth they exuded. "Sorry we've been so long" he said with a grin, > before > the bands opened with their classic first single Lovers Of Today, but as > great > as that John Perry riff sounded, the spotlight was definitely on Perrett. > What > was his voice going to sound like after all these years? Well, to tell the > truth, not great initially - whilst its frailty came as no great surprise, > strangely it sounded somewhat higher. There was a brief moment where I > thought > that it all seemed a bit too like some macabre freakshow with the skeletal > Perrett singing one of your old favourites in a slightly speeded up voice, > but > from the start the band sounded on such great form - Mair taking in his > stride > the fact that his bass string snapped on the very first number - that you > had > to stay with it. > > And it was worth it, not just because the band have such a great wealth of > material, but because Perrett's voice improved as the gig went on - he was > clearly touched by the sight of people who presumably weren't born when > the > band split up, singing along to albums tracks like The Creature Of Doom > and > Why Don't You Kill Yourself. There were lots of other highlights, too - > basically the cream of those three fine albums, though some of their more > commercial moments like singles Out There In the Night and You Gotta Pay > were > conspicuous by their absence. Highlights included the wonderful slowie > that is > It's The Truth and a fabulous The Big Sleep, which including a memorable > moment when Perrett sang the line about not having the strength and then > allowing himself a little laugh. > > Admittedly there were a few less successful moments - As My Wife Says was > played in the style of the version on the live album rather than the > excellent > one on the b-side version of Another Girl Another Planet, the one new > track > ("we only had time to learn the one new song") called something like > Dreamt I > Could Fly didn't sound fully cooked, and there was the odd duff note here > and > there, but it would probably be churlish to expect a band that had been > apart > that long not to have them. And the stop/start ending of Programme was > breathtaking. And then, after Perrett announced they were playing another > new > song despite his earlier admission, the band launched into their signature > tune, the mighty Another Girl Another Planet, surely one of THE great pop > songs, here in all it's glory. > > The set closed with The Beast, with Perrett changing the "you can lead a > horse > to water but you can't make it drink" line to "you can lead a horse to > water > but you can't keep it alive", and as the instrumental section that ends > the > track began, the band kicked on to another level, keeping going despite > Kellie's nods to end it. The Beast is a great track by anyone's > standards - > even The Only Ones - but this was something else. It was immense - and I > don't > use the word lightly. Indeed, it was worth the price of the ticket alone, > and > a hard act to follow, but they came back for an encore all the same - > Perrett > now minus his trademark black glasses to hide behind, and looking even > more > frail. They concluded with a version of Me And My Shadow which saw Perry > having a Hendrix-like moment with his guitar and mic stand, and which > could > gladly have gone on for another ten minutes as far as I was concerned. > > So, a success. Remember this, because history gets re-written and in years > to > come the re-formed Only Ones might be remembered as having ruined a few > myths > and legends, like the Velvets with their so-called rubbish reformation - > despite the fact that everyone I know who actually saw them live in the > early > 90's thought they were great. > > And that's what The Only Ones were, too. Great. As always. > > K. > > np The Only Ones - s/t > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/829 - Release Date: 6/2/2007 > 5:26 PM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: [idealcopy] christopher petit - radio on Bruce sounds appears on "Radio On" DVD [Plexifilm PLEX025] "Ripe for rediscovery, director Chris Petit's 1979 post-punk classic Radio On has become a cult film since its initial release and was one of the most striking feature debuts in British cinema. Co-produced by Wim Wenders and featuring Sting's first acting performance. Radio On is austere in narrative and captures the lurking disenchantment of the British youth movements of the time. Radio On was stunningly photographed in luminous black and white monochrome by Martin Schaefer (Wenders's brilliant cinematographer), and driven by a startling soundtrack (Bowie, Kraftwerk, Lene Lovich, Ian Dury, Wreckless Eric and more). Petit's anti-road movie follows a London DJ (David Beames) as he travels to Bristol to investigate the mysterious death of his brother, and offers a unique, compelling and even mythic vision of a late 1970s England." Special Features: Radio On Remix -- Christopher Petit revisits locations from the film 20 years later, with sound design by Bruce Gilbert of Wire; Booklet featuring stills and liner notes by film critic Sukhdev Sandhu. 102 minutes, bonus footage: 24 minutes; Widescreen format; Presented in the aspect ratio of its original theatrical exhibition; English; Color; 1:78:1 widescreen; Dolby Digital; All-Region NTSC format. No not my words :))) And haven t seen it also, but interesting enough to share jj ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 00:42:09 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Charles plays a blinder I saw a great, sweaty performance by Charles Hayward last night at the Corsica Studios at Elephant and Castle. Walking into the room just after he had started and easing to the front I had a great view of him - astounding effort and application. It takes a certain balls to play like this, a really exposed situation and style. There was a great minute when he stood up and eyeballed virtually everyone in the room in turn. The main event was in the next door room where Faust were playing and by the time we got there one could barely squeeze into the room, possibly because there was a safety area down the front to catch the sparks regularly set off by the various electrical hardware employed. The central stage was dominated as usual by Zappi's drumkit, a huge sheet of metal hanging over it (which frequently came down during the set) and the man himself, a huge hulking brute. To the right stood the estimable Jean-Herve Peron, grinning, handing out carrots and operating bits of machinery when not playing pounding bass. Geoff Leigh from Henry Cow prowled the safety area, playing intense flute and sax. Amaury Cambuzat, Lucianne Lassalle and Colin Potter from Nurse with Wound filled the sound. And, god, what a sound - when the Faust groove gets going - that fractured, hypnotic motorik - it sounds like nothing else matters. The highlight tonight was an approximate version of Krautrock, played, Peron grinned, as a thank-you to Britain for getting this music in the first place. Tonight the riff had mutated into something to destroy cities. Utterly magnificent. At the end, as seems traditional in London at least, powder is lit sending acrid smoke billowing through the auditorium. As a survivor of the Garage gig in 1996 one knew to get out quick and watch everyone else stumble blindly onto the street. Assembled outside, the audience burst into applause. It was the least we could do. Further gigs: Jun 5th UK Leeds Irish Centre Jun 6th UK Liverpool Liverpool Barfly Jun 8th UK Glasgow Glasgow Barfly Jun 9th UK Edinburgh Borgo Jun 12th UK Leicester Pickled at Charlotte Jun 13th UK London The Luminaire: SOLO NIGHT + SPECIAL (under c) by Faust members Jul 27-29th Germany Schiphorst Avant Garde Festival Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Fergus Kelly Sent: 06 May 2007 09:54 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Charles plays a blinder Charles Hayward played an absolute blinder in Dublin last Friday, very inspirational, the kind of playing that makes me want to break out the traps and start drumming again: http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/sets/ And such a lovely bloke too, thrilled with the very enthusiastic response (his first gig in Ireland). I'll have the pleasure of seeing him play again on the 17th in Limerick (south west Ireland) as I'm playing support ! Fergus http://www.roomtemperature.org http://www.asullenrelapse.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/ferguskellyrecordings http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/sets/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 00:12:44 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] christopher petit - radio on I saw it on release in 79. Very much in thrall to Wenders - a meandering road movie from London to Bristol which is about mood rather than plot. Not a patch on Wenders' great films of the early 70s but it would be interesting to see it now for the 'documentary' parts of it if nothing else - the motorway shots and the Bristol fly-over near Temple Meads which has since been demolished (Bruno, for one, may know of what I speak). And Sting was a crap actor even at this early, pre-prat stage. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jan Noorda Sent: 04 June 2007 22:05 To: Ideal Copy Subject: [idealcopy] christopher petit - radio on Bruce sounds appears on "Radio On" DVD [Plexifilm PLEX025] "Ripe for rediscovery, director Chris Petit's 1979 post-punk classic Radio On has become a cult film since its initial release and was one of the most striking feature debuts in British cinema. Co-produced by Wim Wenders and featuring Sting's first acting performance. Radio On is austere in narrative and captures the lurking disenchantment of the British youth movements of the time. Radio On was stunningly photographed in luminous black and white monochrome by Martin Schaefer (Wenders's brilliant cinematographer), and driven by a startling soundtrack (Bowie, Kraftwerk, Lene Lovich, Ian Dury, Wreckless Eric and more). Petit's anti-road movie follows a London DJ (David Beames) as he travels to Bristol to investigate the mysterious death of his brother, and offers a unique, compelling and even mythic vision of a late 1970s England." Special Features: Radio On Remix -- Christopher Petit revisits locations from the film 20 years later, with sound design by Bruce Gilbert of Wire; Booklet featuring stills and liner notes by film critic Sukhdev Sandhu. 102 minutes, bonus footage: 24 minutes; Widescreen format; Presented in the aspect ratio of its original theatrical exhibition; English; Color; 1:78:1 widescreen; Dolby Digital; All-Region NTSC format. No not my words :))) And haven t seen it also, but interesting enough to share jj ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 01:49:43 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Return Of The Only Ones Keith A wrote: > I trudged to this Manchester gig somewhat apprehensively. Could they still > deliver or was it better just to remember them the way they were? I know that feeling! > So, a success. Remember this, because history gets re-written and in years to > come the re-formed Only Ones might be remembered as having ruined a few myths > and legends, Wouldn't say they were a legend like VU. I reckon my generation only really knows 'AG..AP' which was, and remains an indie disco staple. I'd no idea they'd done 3 LPs anyway! Pete Doherty's patronage (and allegedly helping PP fall off the straight & narrow) means todays Indie kids probably know a bit more about them and maybe see them as the godfathers of smack-tastic scuzzy pop. like the Velvets with their so-called rubbish reformation - > despite the fact that everyone I know who actually saw them live in the early > 90's thought they were great. I never got to see them but I like the film, just good to watch close up the way Moe plays the drums, and Sterling & Cale both play a blinder. Is only let down by the ever Lou Reed with his Billy-Ray Cyrus mullet, his wailing guitar solos and insistence on 're-interpreting' the vocals "Shiny.....shinyshinyshinyshinyboots-o-learrrerrr". But when Lou falls in line its great stuff (and the only decent footage of the VU) > > And that's what The Only Ones were, too. Great. As always. Post-punk bands seem to have it nailed as far as comebacks go. The days when the bands of the 60s felt they had to 'update' their sound for a modern audience (dressing up in 80s Leather jackets, adding sax player and DX7) are gone...the likes of Wire set a good precedent for just dressing in black, cranking it up and not pissing about. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:57:23 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Return Of The Only Ones I was going to see the Only Ones this Friday at Wolverhampton, but two gigs in a week is obviously too much for PP, who's probably in an oxygen tent at the moment, being force-fed pies by the Dad's Army vicar (what a lovely image). Disappointingly, the gig has been resceduled for August but has turned into some hideous 'punk's not dead' all-dayer with Penetration, John Cooper Clarke and that authentic 77 London punk rocker John Robb and his Goldblade troupe, who seem to be the first name on the team sheet for all events such as this. Other turns TBA, probably some version of the Lurkers fronted by a bloke out of the Vibrators. With the drummer out of 999. Or something equally dismal. Anti-Pasti, perhaps. I've heard the Wolves Civic is having a Stannah stair lift fitted so the UK subs can play too. I shall attend with trepidation, providing Peter P lasts till the end of August. Mark :-( ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:06:33 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] VU live 93 Agree with all that's been said. Lou did let the side down, both tonsorially and by behaving like a wanky rock star in the coolest band of all time. But the other three were abslutely immense - my memories of the gig mainly centre round the noise of Cale, Tucker and Morrison. I got to see Sterling Morrisson play and he was fab. The great thing about seeing the VU live was the way thet the moment they started playing they were immediately, unmistakeably the Velvet Underground - though they actually sounded like no version of the band ever recorded in the '60s. There was this huge frisson of recognition across the crowd from the first note. A really extraordinary moment. Sort of why I go to gigs. This was at a time when London had been crawling with VU impersonators for the previous decade. Just put all that in its place. Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #107 ********************************