From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #92 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, May 18 2007 Volume 10 : Number 092 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Wire Nine Question Quiz ["First Last" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Nine Question Quiz Well someone had to & that person was me! I/It stuffed up Question 10: Q: Am I Anally Retentive? A: ? So it's nine questions of Wire & Related: http://www.coolquiz.com/myquiz/myquiz.asp?QuizNum=1294164139 Question 8 - Picture Link Is Here: http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8253/100ot3.gif TB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:08:10 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] Daniel Richter / Pink Flag Perhaps this link has been send before... Just read an article about contemporary German painter Daniel Richter [1962] who used titles such as Pink Flag / Pink Flag-White Horse for his paintings [and show]. Currently he's having his first major retrospective in the Hamburger Kunsthalle which later this year will be travelling to The Hague / Netherlands: http://www.hamburger-kunsthalle.de/start/en_start.html I must say I haven't seen figurative painting this exciting in a long time! http://www.cfa-berlin.com/artists/daniel_richter/works/?worktype=M [White Horse-Pink Flag" 2nd row from the bottom, on the right hand] [Pink Flag: 4th row from the bottom, 2nd from the left] ========== "The pink flag of the title, which is really closer to red, flies from a pole that rises somewhat incongruously from underneath the rough arch made by the rearing horses. This image reproduces almost exactly the banner on the cover of Pink Flag, the influential 1977 debut LP by the English punk band Wire. Lest there be any doubt about the connection, the lyrics to the album's title song (a fragmented account of some unnamed colonial apocalypse) are reprinted, presumably at Richter's request, on the first page of the "Pink Flag-- White Horse" catalogue. In the recording, the song's lyrics are set to a relentlessly repeated single guitar chord and churning drums. Although none of the Conrad-meets-Genet imagery in Wire's "Pink Flag" shows up in Richter's painting White Horse--Pink Flag, which seems a quasi-heraldic allegory of some epic struggle, many of his canvases share the song's atmosphere of anarchic violence. The allusions to Wire also evoke the years Richter spent immersed in Germany's leftist punk scene, designing posters and record covers for various bands. If punk music is important to Richter's art, so, too, is the recent past of German painting, which he absorbed firsthand as a student of Werner Buttner and as an assistant to Albert Oehlen. From the latter, he borrows the notion of each canvas as the crazy sum of many coexisting paintings; from Polke he takes large scale and an oblique approach to current events. Richter also seems to have looked profitably at Leon Goinb's late work." Entire article: http://tinyurl.com/26t6d4 ========== Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 05:47:44 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Daniel Richter / Pink Flag figurative painter reviewed could well have been a wire mach i song, you think? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:14:56 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes New Order's Substance is a rock-solid album through and through. One of those releases that I can't imagine, in retrospect, not having as a soundtrack to my life. Substance was my first New Order purchase, as I purchased it on cassette tape back in 1987 and, when I first obtained a CD player in 1988, Substance was my first CD purchase. I always joke that Substance is proof that CD's do not wear out, as I would have worn my copy of Substance out a long long time ago if that were the case. I've always thought that Hook was saying, "Fuckin' Housemartins" at the end of the Substance version of "Confusion", but I've also heard people say that it's "Fuckin' hell, Martin." I'll just stick with the former option. Jason >From: Tim >To: Jason Rogers , idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes >Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 02:09:50 +0100 > >Substance is still their definitive record (they were always a singles >band) and was my first real taste of New Order having only really heard >Blue Monday, True Faith and a few things on the radio before then. > >I like the ending of the Substance mix of Confusion...is it me or does >Hooky say 'Fuckin' Housemartins?' (possibly a reference to the then popular >beat combo from Hull) > _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:28:17 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes Saw NO just the once, when Power Corruption & Lies had just been released. As much as I liked their records, I don't remember it being a seminal moment in my life. I was tempted to go and see them a year or two ago, but at thirty five quid or whatever it was, I decided to pass. Their split prompted me to dig out my vinyl copy of my fave NO LP, Lowlife. Still sounds good, though I'd forgotten just how proggy that Elegia instrumental is! K. np The Stooges - The Weirdness - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McKenzie" To: "Jason Rogers" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes >I have seen NO twice in their heyday > Once in Detroit and once in Chicago > Trainwreck comes to mind as the best description of both. > Triumph of machine over man would be another. > > You might not have missed much in Atl > > The 'one that got away' from me was Television opening for Peter Gabriel > in > Allendale, MI > I took an afternoon nap before the show not knowing or caring about any > opening act. > the universally negative comments from folks whose opinions I always > disagreed mad me realize that I might have missed something special. > The reunion show I saw at Metro, Chicago some years back could only hint > at > the former majesty. > > > On 5/16/07, Jason Rogers wrote: >> >> >Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:52:57 +0100 (BST) >> >From: Monochromatic Man >> >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes >> > >> >As much as I love NO, they should have stayed broken >> >up after Technique. >> > >> >I suppose I don't mind buying all of these singles >> >collections and compilations over & over again. At >> >least I still like those old tracks, but please no >> >more Blue Monday or half-arsed remixes of any sort... >> > >> >> It's obvious that New Order's peak days have been long behind them, but >> the >> one thing that chaps my butt is that I was never able to see them live in >> concert. Of all of the "great ones" that I grew up listening to, the >> bands >> that "got away" were New Order and INXS (Michael Hutchence incarnation). >> With New Order, I missed their last Atlanta stop back in 1989 when I was >> in >> high school and couldn't travel to see them and, sadly, the band never >> visited the Southeastern U.S. again after that. With INXS, I had a >> couple >> of chances to see them in the early 90's, but always told myself that I'd >> see them the "next time around"...and then, one day, there was no next >> time >> around. >> >> New Order is one of the few bands that I'm a completist of sorts with and >> I >> have 60-jewel-box CD case just for my Joy Division/New >> Order/Electronic/Revenge/The Other Two/Monaco material (I actually am >> fond >> of each and every incarnation.). That said, I don't care to spend money >> on >> future compilations and such if the redundancy factor is inherent. It >> would be pleasant, of course, to have a remastered version of New Order's >> Substance Edit for "Perfect Kiss"...the bass line "jam" at the end is one >> of >> my favorite NO moments. >> >> >> Jason >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning >> Windows >> Live Hotmail. >> >> > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration > _HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:19:30 -0400 From: "C. Dunton" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes Substance is one of those indispensable albums for me as well, though I didn't pick it up until much later, in the mid '90s. Still probably end up listening to at least one track from there a day via iPod though. And if you think "Elegia" is proggy on Lowlife, the super long version on the 5th disc in the Retro box set is way, way worse. Meandering is an accurate description, though I think the video version of "Perfect Kiss" on that same disc even tops the 12" version on Substance, especially in it's apocalyptic ending. Creaig On May 17, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Keith A wrote: > Saw NO just the once, when Power Corruption & Lies had just been > released. > > As much as I liked their records, I don't remember it being a > seminal moment in my life. > > I was tempted to go and see them a year or two ago, but at thirty > five quid or whatever it was, I decided to pass. > > Their split prompted me to dig out my vinyl copy of my fave NO LP, > Lowlife. Still sounds good, though I'd forgotten just how proggy > that Elegia instrumental is! > > K. > > np The Stooges - The Weirdness > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McKenzie" > > To: "Jason Rogers" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes > > >> I have seen NO twice in their heyday >> Once in Detroit and once in Chicago >> Trainwreck comes to mind as the best description of both. >> Triumph of machine over man would be another. >> >> You might not have missed much in Atl >> >> The 'one that got away' from me was Television opening for Peter >> Gabriel in >> Allendale, MI >> I took an afternoon nap before the show not knowing or caring >> about any >> opening act. >> the universally negative comments from folks whose opinions I always >> disagreed mad me realize that I might have missed something special. >> The reunion show I saw at Metro, Chicago some years back could >> only hint at >> the former majesty. >> >> >> On 5/16/07, Jason Rogers wrote: >>> >>> >Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:52:57 +0100 (BST) >>> >From: Monochromatic Man >>> >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes >>> > >>> >As much as I love NO, they should have stayed broken >>> >up after Technique. >>> > >>> >I suppose I don't mind buying all of these singles >>> >collections and compilations over & over again. At >>> >least I still like those old tracks, but please no >>> >more Blue Monday or half-arsed remixes of any sort... >>> > >>> >>> It's obvious that New Order's peak days have been long behind >>> them, but >>> the >>> one thing that chaps my butt is that I was never able to see them >>> live in >>> concert. Of all of the "great ones" that I grew up listening >>> to, the >>> bands >>> that "got away" were New Order and INXS (Michael Hutchence >>> incarnation). >>> With New Order, I missed their last Atlanta stop back in 1989 >>> when I was >>> in >>> high school and couldn't travel to see them and, sadly, the band >>> never >>> visited the Southeastern U.S. again after that. With INXS, I had a >>> couple >>> of chances to see them in the early 90's, but always told myself >>> that I'd >>> see them the "next time around"...and then, one day, there was no >>> next >>> time >>> around. >>> >>> New Order is one of the few bands that I'm a completist of sorts >>> with and >>> I >>> have 60-jewel-box CD case just for my Joy Division/New >>> Order/Electronic/Revenge/The Other Two/Monaco material (I >>> actually am fond >>> of each and every incarnation.). That said, I don't care to >>> spend money >>> on >>> future compilations and such if the redundancy factor is >>> inherent. It >>> would be pleasant, of course, to have a remastered version of New >>> Order's >>> Substance Edit for "Perfect Kiss"...the bass line "jam" at the >>> end is one >>> of >>> my favorite NO moments. >>> >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward- >>> winning Windows >>> Live Hotmail. >>> >>> >> http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- >> us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration >> _HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 05:25:13 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: [idealcopy] OT: the Order (was:Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes) I'll take Movement any day. P,C & L is up there too. Substance was *ok*, but the re-recorded versions of Temptation and Confusion still make me wince. (Although it was this version or Temptation that introduced me to my wife!) The real value of Substance lies in the 2nd disc. Also didn't care for the editing on the 12" versions. I suppose this was done to fit all of the tracks on two discs. Still a fan of the origianl mixes, the 12x12" collection is very good as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12x12%22 Does a good job of selecting the old and new. wnd3 - --- "C. Dunton" wrote: > Substance is one of those indispensable albums for > me as well, though > I didn't pick it up until much later, in the mid > '90s. Still > probably end up listening to at least one track from > there a day via > iPod though. > > And if you think "Elegia" is proggy on Lowlife, the > super long > version on the 5th disc in the Retro box set is way, > way worse. > Meandering is an accurate description, though I > think the video > version of "Perfect Kiss" on that same disc even > tops the 12" version > on Substance, especially in it's apocalyptic ending. > > Creaig > > On May 17, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Keith A wrote: > > > Saw NO just the once, when Power Corruption & Lies > had just been > > released. > > > > As much as I liked their records, I don't remember > it being a > > seminal moment in my life. > > > > I was tempted to go and see them a year or two > ago, but at thirty > > five quid or whatever it was, I decided to pass. > > > > Their split prompted me to dig out my vinyl copy > of my fave NO LP, > > Lowlife. Still sounds good, though I'd forgotten > just how proggy > > that Elegia instrumental is! > > > > K. > > > > np The Stooges - The Weirdness > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David > McKenzie" > > > > To: "Jason Rogers" > > Cc: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Martin Hanett's > Personal Mixes > > > > > >> I have seen NO twice in their heyday > >> Once in Detroit and once in Chicago > >> Trainwreck comes to mind as the best description > of both. > >> Triumph of machine over man would be another. > >> > >> You might not have missed much in Atl > >> > >> The 'one that got away' from me was Television > opening for Peter > >> Gabriel in > >> Allendale, MI > >> I took an afternoon nap before the show not > knowing or caring > >> about any > >> opening act. > >> the universally negative comments from folks > whose opinions I always > >> disagreed mad me realize that I might have missed > something special. > >> The reunion show I saw at Metro, Chicago some > years back could > >> only hint at > >> the former majesty. > >> > >> > >> On 5/16/07, Jason Rogers > wrote: > >>> > >>> >Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:52:57 +0100 (BST) > >>> >From: Monochromatic Man > >>> >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Martin Hanett's > Personal Mixes > >>> > > >>> >As much as I love NO, they should have stayed > broken > >>> >up after Technique. > >>> > > >>> >I suppose I don't mind buying all of these > singles > >>> >collections and compilations over & over again. > At > >>> >least I still like those old tracks, but please > no > >>> >more Blue Monday or half-arsed remixes of any > sort... > >>> > > >>> > >>> It's obvious that New Order's peak days have > been long behind > >>> them, but > >>> the > >>> one thing that chaps my butt is that I was never > able to see them > >>> live in > >>> concert. Of all of the "great ones" that I > grew up listening > >>> to, the > >>> bands > >>> that "got away" were New Order and INXS (Michael > Hutchence > >>> incarnation). > >>> With New Order, I missed their last Atlanta stop > back in 1989 > >>> when I was > >>> in > >>> high school and couldn't travel to see them and, > sadly, the band > >>> never > >>> visited the Southeastern U.S. again after that. > With INXS, I had a > >>> couple > >>> of chances to see them in the early 90's, but > always told myself > >>> that I'd > >>> see them the "next time around"...and then, one > day, there was no > >>> next > >>> time > >>> around. > >>> > >>> New Order is one of the few bands that I'm a > completist of sorts > >>> with and > >>> I > >>> have 60-jewel-box CD case just for my Joy > Division/New > >>> Order/Electronic/Revenge/The Other Two/Monaco > material (I > >>> actually am fond > >>> of each and every incarnation.). That said, I > don't care to > >>> spend money > >>> on > >>> future compilations and such if the redundancy > factor is > >>> inherent. It > >>> would be pleasant, of course, to have a > remastered version of New > >>> Order's > >>> Substance Edit for "Perfect Kiss"...the bass > line "jam" at the > >>> end is one > >>> of > >>> my favorite NO moments. > >>> > >>> > >>> Jason > >>> > >>> > _________________________________________________________________ > >>> PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web > mailaward- > >>> winning Windows > >>> Live Hotmail. > >>> > >>> > >> > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- > >> us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration > >> _HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #92 *******************************