From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #91 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 17 2007 Volume 10 : Number 091 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes ["Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes >Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:52:57 +0100 (BST) >From: Monochromatic Man >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes > >As much as I love NO, they should have stayed broken >up after Technique. > >I suppose I don't mind buying all of these singles >collections and compilations over & over again. At >least I still like those old tracks, but please no >more Blue Monday or half-arsed remixes of any sort... > It's obvious that New Order's peak days have been long behind them, but the one thing that chaps my butt is that I was never able to see them live in concert. Of all of the "great ones" that I grew up listening to, the bands that "got away" were New Order and INXS (Michael Hutchence incarnation). With New Order, I missed their last Atlanta stop back in 1989 when I was in high school and couldn't travel to see them and, sadly, the band never visited the Southeastern U.S. again after that. With INXS, I had a couple of chances to see them in the early 90's, but always told myself that I'd see them the "next time around"...and then, one day, there was no next time around. New Order is one of the few bands that I'm a completist of sorts with and I have 60-jewel-box CD case just for my Joy Division/New Order/Electronic/Revenge/The Other Two/Monaco material (I actually am fond of each and every incarnation.). That said, I don't care to spend money on future compilations and such if the redundancy factor is inherent. It would be pleasant, of course, to have a remastered version of New Order's Substance Edit for "Perfect Kiss"...the bass line "jam" at the end is one of my favorite NO moments. Jason _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:47:38 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes I have seen NO twice in their heyday Once in Detroit and once in Chicago Trainwreck comes to mind as the best description of both. Triumph of machine over man would be another. You might not have missed much in Atl The 'one that got away' from me was Television opening for Peter Gabriel in Allendale, MI I took an afternoon nap before the show not knowing or caring about any opening act. the universally negative comments from folks whose opinions I always disagreed mad me realize that I might have missed something special. The reunion show I saw at Metro, Chicago some years back could only hint at the former majesty. On 5/16/07, Jason Rogers wrote: > > >Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:52:57 +0100 (BST) > >From: Monochromatic Man > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes > > > >As much as I love NO, they should have stayed broken > >up after Technique. > > > >I suppose I don't mind buying all of these singles > >collections and compilations over & over again. At > >least I still like those old tracks, but please no > >more Blue Monday or half-arsed remixes of any sort... > > > > It's obvious that New Order's peak days have been long behind them, but > the > one thing that chaps my butt is that I was never able to see them live in > concert. Of all of the "great ones" that I grew up listening to, the > bands > that "got away" were New Order and INXS (Michael Hutchence incarnation). > With New Order, I missed their last Atlanta stop back in 1989 when I was > in > high school and couldn't travel to see them and, sadly, the band never > visited the Southeastern U.S. again after that. With INXS, I had a > couple > of chances to see them in the early 90's, but always told myself that I'd > see them the "next time around"...and then, one day, there was no next > time > around. > > New Order is one of the few bands that I'm a completist of sorts with and > I > have 60-jewel-box CD case just for my Joy Division/New > Order/Electronic/Revenge/The Other Two/Monaco material (I actually am fond > of each and every incarnation.). That said, I don't care to spend money > on > future compilations and such if the redundancy factor is inherent. It > would be pleasant, of course, to have a remastered version of New Order's > Substance Edit for "Perfect Kiss"...the bass line "jam" at the end is one > of > my favorite NO moments. > > > Jason > > _________________________________________________________________ > PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows > Live Hotmail. > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration _HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:15:12 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes I have often heard bad things about New Order's live shows, but I would have liked to have seen them at least once to see Peter Hook in action and to see for myself. The New Order performances on the two DVD's that I have are quite outstanding, even if New Order's latter performances seem to over-compensate for their static stage-mannequin-esque performances in the 80's. Also, I have some 1986/1987 New Order bootlegs on cassette tape somewhere and the band play a version of "Lonesome Tonight" that is quite brilliant. From the live stuff that I've seen on DVD and/or heard on bootleg, New Order fared much better at their non-dance stuff...the rock songs from Brotherhood, Low-Life, etc...when onstage. I could likely wait for New Order's "reunion tour" later on, but, then again, the band is roughly the same age as The Police are right now, so a belated reunion might be a train wreck on a different level. Jason NP: Githead - "All Set Up" (still my favorite track on Art Pop) >From: "David McKenzie" >To: "Jason Rogers" >CC: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes >Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:47:38 -0500 > >I have seen NO twice in their heyday >Once in Detroit and once in Chicago >Trainwreck comes to mind as the best description of both. >Triumph of machine over man would be another. > >You might not have missed much in Atl > >The 'one that got away' from me was Television opening for Peter Gabriel in >Allendale, MI >I took an afternoon nap before the show not knowing or caring about any >opening act. >the universally negative comments from folks whose opinions I always >disagreed mad me realize that I might have missed something special. >The reunion show I saw at Metro, Chicago some years back could only hint at >the former majesty. > > >On 5/16/07, Jason Rogers wrote: >> >> >Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:52:57 +0100 (BST) >> >From: Monochromatic Man >> >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes >> > >> >As much as I love NO, they should have stayed broken >> >up after Technique. >> > >> >I suppose I don't mind buying all of these singles >> >collections and compilations over & over again. At >> >least I still like those old tracks, but please no >> >more Blue Monday or half-arsed remixes of any sort... >> > >> >>It's obvious that New Order's peak days have been long behind them, but >>the >>one thing that chaps my butt is that I was never able to see them live in >>concert. Of all of the "great ones" that I grew up listening to, the >>bands >>that "got away" were New Order and INXS (Michael Hutchence incarnation). >>With New Order, I missed their last Atlanta stop back in 1989 when I was >>in >>high school and couldn't travel to see them and, sadly, the band never >>visited the Southeastern U.S. again after that. With INXS, I had a >>couple >>of chances to see them in the early 90's, but always told myself that I'd >>see them the "next time around"...and then, one day, there was no next >>time >>around. >> >>New Order is one of the few bands that I'm a completist of sorts with and >>I >>have 60-jewel-box CD case just for my Joy Division/New >>Order/Electronic/Revenge/The Other Two/Monaco material (I actually am fond >>of each and every incarnation.). That said, I don't care to spend money >>on >>future compilations and such if the redundancy factor is inherent. It >>would be pleasant, of course, to have a remastered version of New Order's >>Substance Edit for "Perfect Kiss"...the bass line "jam" at the end is one >>of >>my favorite NO moments. >> >> >>Jason >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows >>Live Hotmail. >> >>http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 >> _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 02:09:50 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Martin Hanett's Personal Mixes Jason Rogers wrote: > > It's obvious that New Order's peak days have been long behind them, but > the one thing that chaps my butt Chaps my butt?!?! is that I was never able to see them > live in concert. Of all of the "great ones" that I grew up listening > to, the bands that "got away" were New Order and INXS (Michael Hutchence > incarnation). With New Order, I missed their last Atlanta stop back in > 1989 when I was in high school and couldn't travel to see them and, > sadly, the band never visited the Southeastern U.S. again after that. > With INXS, I had a couple of chances to see them in the early 90's, but > always told myself that I'd see them the "next time around"...and then, > one day, there was no next time around. They'll be back next time the taxman catches up with Barney/Hooky! But they are an inconsistent band so maybe you didn't miss much. I've seen them play 5 times in the last 10 years (but then I do live in Manchester which helps). Two were absolutely stunningly brilliant, one was absolutely bloody awful and almost made me never want to see them ever again, and the last two were a bit so-so. (replacing Gillian Gilbert with the dreadful Phil Cunningham added a very very unwelcome session musician fretwankery element) > It would be pleasant, of course, to have a remastered > version of New Order's Substance Edit for "Perfect Kiss"...the bass line > "jam" at the end is one of my favorite NO moments. Substance is still their definitive record (they were always a singles band) and was my first real taste of New Order having only really heard Blue Monday, True Faith and a few things on the radio before then. I like the ending of the Substance mix of Confusion...is it me or does Hooky say 'Fuckin' Housemartins?' (possibly a reference to the then popular beat combo from Hull) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #91 *******************************