From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #54 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, March 28 2007 Volume 10 : Number 054 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Punk Rock? [Gary or Lizz ] Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? ["David McKenzie" ] Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? [Jan Noorda ] [idealcopy] The Cartoonist [Jan Noorda ] [idealcopy] The Cartoonist 2nd attempt [Jan Noorda ] [idealcopy] ST: ( was Punk Rock?) [Monochromatic Man ] Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? [Gary or Lizz ] Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? [Gary or Lizz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:24:00 +0100 (BST) From: Gary or Lizz Subject: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? Hi all Half listening to BBC Radio 5 yesterday afternoon, Simon Mayo was interviewing promoter/manager Harvey Goldsmith, my ears pricked up when I heard him say ' punk rock was a terrible time, the Sex Pistols where an over hyped band with no lasting value' or words to that effect, then the real gem..' there where only 3 worthwhile punk bands anyway, that was The Clash, The Jam and The Boomtown Rats' ....???? Hold on this guy made a sizeable fortune from managing and promoting music, how could he do that when he obviously does'nt listen to it? I bet he has all the REO speedwagon LP's ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:51:26 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? On 3/27/07, Gary or Lizz wrote: > > > Hold on this guy made a sizeable fortune from managing and promoting > music, how could he do that when he obviously does'nt listen to it? > The answer is hidden in the 1st part of your sentence.. And I actually think he did listen to the music.. giluz - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:57:57 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? Right, Because there have been so many Boomtown Rats informed bands. Off the top of myu head I can name.... none. Yep. Joey's On The Street Again has changed the way we listen to music forever. And McDonalds in the US had to start giving away free coffee to counteract the disaffectation which resulted from I Don't Like Mondays On 3/27/07, Gary or Lizz wrote: > Hi all > Half listening to BBC Radio 5 yesterday afternoon, Simon Mayo was interviewing promoter/manager Harvey Goldsmith, my ears pricked up when I heard him say ' punk rock was a terrible time, the Sex Pistols where an over hyped band with no lasting value' or words to that effect, then the real gem..' there where only 3 worthwhile punk bands anyway, that was The Clash, The Jam and The Boomtown Rats' ....???? > > Hold on this guy made a sizeable fortune from managing and promoting music, how could he do that when he obviously does'nt listen to it? > > I bet he has all the REO speedwagon LP's ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? There has never been so much new music things happening for younger people in that period (late 70s early 80s) i guess. At least that was happening for me. And the big companies could nt controll them. The Pistols were banned by the media. Has there ever been again a band banned and reached the top of single charts in the UK? Or was this also a big promotion stunt. For younger people on the list. A single is a vinyl 7inch and very popular to buy those days. I actually don t know if there is still top 50 and so. But I can t imagine this is from sold music. Probably all about the most plugged track on the radio. And Colin is right of course. Angel by Robby Williams is the best single ever made :))) The most plugged one certainly. And maybe good for getting money for huge events. But not sure this has to do with music, entertainment or For me it s no fun at all. jj Hi all Half listening to BBC Radio 5 yesterday afternoon, Simon Mayo was interviewing promoter/manager Harvey Goldsmith, my ears pricked up when I heard him say ' punk rock was a terrible time, the Sex Pistols where an over hyped band with no lasting value' or words to that effect, then the real gem..' there where only 3 worthwhile punk bands anyway, that was The Clash, The Jam and The Boomtown Rats' ....???? Hold on this guy made a sizeable fortune from managing and promoting music, how could he do that when he obviously does'nt listen to it? I bet he has all the REO speedwagon LP's ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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I actually > don t know if there is still top 50 and so. But I > can t imagine this is from sold music. Probably all > about the most plugged track on the radio. This is from a time when music actually had a value. In my younger days all of my extra money went toward buying records. Mostly singles at first, but a few lps. I'd usually ask for lps around xmas or my b-day. + I had to work hard in the coal mine all day for a few scraps of vinyl. (Then walk 10 miles to school in the rain) One of the problems with music now is instant gratification. Anyone with internet access and a little free time can track down just about anything they would like to hear or view. There is little build up or excitement for a new album. Somebody has leaked the promo online weeks or months before the official release date. By the time it is actually available to purchase it is old news... Buying (or just plain downloading) a track from itunes or wherever is not the same as the physical product. There is no glossy sleeve to read when listening to your music. Buying single tracks online takes all of the fun away. There is no b-side anymore. No joy discovering some wonderful and strange sounds lurking on the flip side.... True, there are still a few bands releasing 7" singles, but these are mostly for the hardcore fan or collector. How many actually have the equipment needed to play these records? As for the person who downloads everything from torrent sites or P2P, you are lazy and cheap! Go to a store that sells music and look around. You may find something you like. wnd3 My musik? http://www.myspace.com/elektrolad / http://www.bolt.com/elektrolad/ My dj mixes http://www.musicv2.com/artist/elektrolad -OR- visit my webpages for old music downloads: http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ http://home.earthlink.net/~2signs/ http://home.netcom.com/~keepleft/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:15:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? He's obviously a NERD of the first order, would he have of still listening to the moody blues/ procol harem: someone should lock him away before he does any harm to society/ or influences a new generation. People like this have obviously never LISTENED to Punk 'seriously' or they wouldn't hold such views, though I must say that is 20+ years of being in the service industry I've had/have clients who think anything beyond opera/ classical music is dross, I even have clients that NEVER LISTEN TO MUSIC under any circumstance. get a life............ A Gary or Lizz wrote: Hi all Half listening to BBC Radio 5 yesterday afternoon, Simon Mayo was interviewing promoter/manager Harvey Goldsmith, my ears pricked up when I heard him say ' punk rock was a terrible time, the Sex Pistols where an over hyped band with no lasting value' or words to that effect, then the real gem..' there where only 3 worthwhile punk bands anyway, that was The Clash, The Jam and The Boomtown Rats' ....???? Hold on this guy made a sizeable fortune from managing and promoting music, how could he do that when he obviously does'nt listen to it? I bet he has all the REO speedwagon LP's can't find that charity? http://www.charityads.org/ - --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:55:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? >>Half listening to BBC Radio 5 yesterday afternoon, Simon Mayo was interviewing promoter/manager Harvey Goldsmith, my ears pricked up when I heard him say ' punk rock was a terrible time, the Sex Pistols where an over hyped band with no lasting value' or words to that effect, then the real gem..' there where only 3 worthwhile punk bands anyway, that was The Clash, The Jam and The Boomtown Rats' ....???? Hold on this guy made a sizeable fortune from managing and promoting music, how could he do that when he obviously does'nt listen to it?<< Think about it though - Goldsmith is an old-school Tin Pan Alley promoter - very much part of 60s-70s rock aristocracy - and to him punk must have seemed like the end of the world. Bands like the Pistols must have looked impossible to manage and promote. Where's the bottom line? Not from stadium rock tours of the US, that's for sure. So it's hardly surprising that he'd dismiss it as rubbish, simply because he couldn't see a return. And it's equally unsurprising that he'd focus on three bands that had major elements of the known rock universe about them. To Harvey, The Clash, The Jam, and Sir Bob's Bag O'Shoite were potentially new versions, respectively, of the Rolling Stones, The Who and Bruce Sodding Springsteen. Surprised he didn't throw Elvis Costello into his "worthwhile punks" bag so he could tick the 'New Bob Dylan' box. Of course, Harv needn't have worried - out of punk also sprang bands that were prepared to play the game - the Police, U2 etc. Business as usual. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:07:02 +0100 (BST) From: Gary or Lizz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: Think about it though - Goldsmith is an old-school Tin Pan Alley promoter - very much part of 60s-70s rock aristocracy - and to him punk must have seemed like the end of the world. It certainly would have been, managing rock music in the mid 70's must have been a very comfortable and rewarding job then along come Malcom Mclaren and his ilk, getting punk bands splashed all over the tabloids and the evening news and overnight making 'rock' seem very dated, at least in the UK... Not only that but the DIY, indie label ethic of not going through the 'proper channnels' may have upset him slightly too... And it's equally unsurprising that he'd focus on three bands that had major elements of the known rock universe about them. To Harvey, The Clash, The Jam, and Sir Bob's Bag O'Shoite I always thought that old rockers always seem to namecheck The Clash to give themselves a bit of credibility... then again from Goldsmith's point of view, The Clash did seem to be one of the few bands at the time who were prepared to have a good go at breaking the US. I would have thought some of the Pub rock/Stiff bands would have been right up his street. But what makes a man state that the Boomtown Rats where any good on national radio.... Has his best mate Sir Bob decided to reform for a Stadium Tour? and a 'Best of' album? If he needs a suitable venue, I will check with my Village Hall.. still be half empty though. By the way did you know Harv has landed himself a show in an Alan Sugar/The Apprentice style? Of course thats why he was on the radio.... promoting it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:12:29 +0100 (BST) From: Gary or Lizz Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? Note: forwarded message attached. Received: from [81.129.224.154] by web86510.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:07:02 BST Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:07:02 +0100 (BST) From: Gary or Lizz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Punk Rock? To: MarkBursa@aol.com, idealcopy@smoe.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1326 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: Think about it though - Goldsmith is an old-school Tin Pan Alley promoter - very much part of 60s-70s rock aristocracy - and to him punk must have seemed like the end of the world. It certainly would have been, managing rock music in the mid 70's must have been a very comfortable and rewarding job then along come Malcom Mclaren and his ilk, getting punk bands splashed all over the tabloids and the evening news and overnight making 'rock' seem very dated, at least in the UK... Not only that but the DIY, indie label ethic of not going through the 'proper channnels' may have upset him slightly too... And it's equally unsurprising that he'd focus on three bands that had major elements of the known rock universe about them. To Harvey, The Clash, The Jam, and Sir Bob's Bag O'Shoite I always thought that old rockers always seem to namecheck The Clash to give themselves a bit of credibility... then again from Goldsmith's point of view, The Clash did seem to be one of the few bands at the time who were prepared to have a good go at breaking the US. I would have thought some of the Pub rock/Stiff bands would have been right up his street. But what makes a man state that the Boomtown Rats where any good on national radio.... Has his best mate Sir Bob decided to reform for a Stadium Tour? and a 'Best of' album? If he needs a suitable venue, I will check with my Village Hall.. still be half empty though. By the way did you know Harv has landed himself a show in an Alan Sugar/The Apprentice style? Of course thats why he was on the radio.... promoting it. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #54 *******************************