From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #297 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, December 5 2006 Volume 09 : Number 297 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Recording ram files [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] eBay: VELVET UNDERGROUND & NICO 1966 Acetate LP ANDY WARHOL (item 300054910309 end time Dec-08-06 20:27:23 PST) [] Re: [idealcopy] Recording ram files ["David McKenzie" ] Re: [idealcopy] Total Recorder V Audacity ["David McKenzie" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT : Best of 2006 [Dennis Wygmans Subject: [idealcopy] eBay: VELVET UNDERGROUND & NICO 1966 Acetate LP ANDY WARHOL (item 300054910309 end time Dec-08-06 20:27:23 PST) Now US $100,500.00 Place your bids now !! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3 AIT&viewitem=&item=300054910309&rd=1&rd=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 07:12:17 -0600 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Recording ram files Altenativly http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ different software - same process (it is open source as well as free (as in free beer)) On 12/4/06, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > Andy > > Just get a copy of Total Recorder. It's not free, but it's only $18 and is > one of the most useful pieces of software you'll ever own. > > _http://www.highcriteria.com/_ (http://www.highcriteria.com/) > > Just record the live stream, as if you were recording a broadcast on a > tape > recorder! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:58:05 +0000 (GMT) From: PAUL RABJOHN Subject: Re: [idealcopy] eBay: VELVET UNDERGROUND & NICO 1966 Acetate LP ANDY WARHOL (item 300054910309 end time Dec-08-06 20:27:23 PST) it's been removed.....maybe it was a bit dubious in origin. a nice xmas present but a tad pricey. my 27/11 single has arrived , very good stuff. also cheaper than buying that monks tribute album , and you get an original song on the b-side too. recommended. p Keith A wrote: Now US $100,500.00 Place your bids now !! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3 AIT&viewitem=&item=300054910309&rd=1&rd=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:26:37 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] eBay: VELVET UNDERGROUND & NICO 1966 Acetate LP ANDY WARHOL (item 300054910309 end time Dec-08-06 20:27:23 PST) And here I was somewhat pleased that a couple of my old hardcore punk singles had netted over $500 each when I put 'em on eBay recently. That was sheer chicken feed! Makes me wonder what the highest price ever is for (a) a record, period &/or (b) a punk/postpunk record. The $12,000 (I think it was) I saw an A&M "God Save the Queen" go for a couple of weeks ago probably ranks somewhere toward the top of the latter category, at least. (I really should go back & see if I can determine if the buyer was the same one who laid out $5,000 since then for an unused ticket to the Pistols' Winterland show in Frisco in 2/78.) Dan - -------------- Original message from PAUL RABJOHN : -------------- > it's been removed.....maybe it was a bit dubious in origin. a nice xmas present > but a tad pricey. > > my 27/11 single has arrived , very good stuff. also cheaper than buying that > monks tribute album , and you get an original song on the b-side too. > recommended. p > > Keith A wrote: > Now US $100,500.00 > > Place your bids now !! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3 > AIT&viewitem=&item=300054910309&rd=1&rd=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:35:30 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Total Recorder V Audacity Has anyone used both programs and have they a preference. I imagine quality of results and ease of use would be key factors... Thanks. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of David McKenzie Sent: 04 December 2006 13:12 To: MarkBursa@aol.com Cc: andrew@lumbard.co.uk; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Recording ram files Altenativly http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ different software - same process (it is open source as well as free (as in free beer)) On 12/4/06, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > Andy > > Just get a copy of Total Recorder. It's not free, but it's only $18 > and is one of the most useful pieces of software you'll ever own. > > _http://www.highcriteria.com/_ (http://www.highcriteria.com/) > > Just record the live stream, as if you were recording a broadcast on a > tape recorder! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:42:32 +0000 (GMT) From: PAUL RABJOHN Subject: Re: [idealcopy] eBay: VELVET UNDERGROUND & NICO 1966 Acetate LP ANDY WARHOL (item 300054910309 end time Dec-08-06 20:27:23 PST) i think the most valuable record of all is the pre-beatles Quarrymen acetate (a one-off) mccartney bought off one of the other band members a couple of years back. price allegedly truly eye-watering. much like his divorce settlement ;-) punkwise i didn't realise A&M GSTQ's went for quite that much since a load more came on the market recently (they were given out as reduncancy presents after they found a box in a safe , or so the story goes). i know a lot of DIY stuff goes for stupid money now , but to get into thousands of pounds i suspect it needs to be something "iconic" like that pistols release. p dpbailey@att.net wrote: And here I was somewhat pleased that a couple of my old hardcore punk singles had netted over $500 each when I put 'em on eBay recently. That was sheer chicken feed! Makes me wonder what the highest price ever is for (a) a record, period &/or (b) a punk/postpunk record. The $12,000 (I think it was) I saw an A&M "God Save the Queen" go for a couple of weeks ago probably ranks somewhere toward the top of the latter category, at least. (I really should go back & see if I can determine if the buyer was the same one who laid out $5,000 since then for an unused ticket to the Pistols' Winterland show in Frisco in 2/78.) Dan - -------------- Original message from PAUL RABJOHN : -------------- > it's been removed.....maybe it was a bit dubious in origin. a nice xmas present > but a tad pricey. > > my 27/11 single has arrived , very good stuff. also cheaper than buying that > monks tribute album , and you get an original song on the b-side too. > recommended. p > > Keith A wrote: > Now US $100,500.00 > > Place your bids now !! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3 > AIT&viewitem=&item=300054910309&rd=1&rd=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:31:19 -0800 (PST) From: Creatured Subject: [idealcopy] Early Wire demos on Dimeadozen.org w/George Well,speaking of torrents,I just went to Dimeadozen and found this jem. http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=124040 Rick http://www.docuticker.com/ Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:14:22 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Total Recorder V Audacity > Has anyone used both programs and have they a preference. I imagine > quality > of results and ease of use would be key factors... Thanks. > > Well - not quite, but I use Audacity a lot. Audacity is pretty good - excellent for free. It's a bit processor and system bus intensive - especially if you leave it on the default 32 bit resolution mode. Also - it's strength is audio recording and overlaying audio tracks, not necessarily audio processing tricks. I've used WaveLab - which came with my high-precision audio card - for that. The other weird thing about Audacity is its file format. When it records, it streams directly to your hard disc - in a bunch of tiny files, each lasting about 1 sec. So - if you do a long recording, you can have thousands of these files. If you're using a PC, and you're using a FAT or FAT32 formatted hard disc, this can really eat up your hard disc space. (technically, it's the file cluster size). It's not mandatory, but NTFS will make this easier. You can easily export your Audacity files to .WAV or some other archive format, and delete the originals - this will remove all the tiny files. Also - on my original Athlon 1.3 GHz system with a VIA KT133a chipset, it would cause blue screens of death. Again - Audacity wants to write a lot to the hard disc, so you'll want a fairly modern system for it. I've never had a problem with it on my 3.2 GHz Athlon 64 laptop, for example. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:35:08 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Recording ram files Hi Andy, Basically, there's two ways to do this. Way number 1 is to playback the audio using RealPlayer and simultaneously record the audio using an audio recording program. (Audacity, total recorder, etc.). This would be like taping your computer on a cassette recorder - except that the cassette recorder is another program on your computer. This is a very easy method - and avoids legal issues - but requires that you have a computer capable of decoding a real audio stream and simultaneously recording 16 bit, 44 kHz stereo audio. Most modern computers can do this, but this may present a challenge to slightly older computers. Also - the recorded file will be much, much larger than the real audio compressed original - so you'll want to have some hard disc space available. Other tips for this method - you'll want to use your computer's "playback" and "record" built-in mixers to set the record levels properly. Also - you'll want to mute any other channels - e.g. line in, PC speaker - and be sure that your computer doesn't make a *ding* alert sound - because you'll record that as well. Be sure to turn off your screen-savers and set the power conservation to OFF. You should also avoid running any other programs while this is recording. Ideally, you'll want just two programs running - Real and the recorder. (Interesting sub method to this - if you have two computers handy, you can connect an audio cable between the two, and use one for playback and one for record. This works great for older computers. ) Way number 2 is to use a "stream ripper". These programs pretend to be a Real Player, but instead download the Real Audio stream and save it to disc directly. There's some information here: http://swen.antville.org/stories/735413/, but you can also Google for more info. Benefits to this method are that you get an exact copy of the audio file used to create the stream. (This would be a local .rm file, in our case. The .ram files are a file that describes the stream.). Also - you don't have to worry about setting audio record levels, nor does it take an hour to record an hour broadcast. This page has a method to do exactly what you're asking: http://swen.antville.org/stories/1365698/ Disadvantages to this method are mainly incompatibility with some streaming protocols and some legal questions. If you're curious, I only use way #1. But - I also have a fairly high-end audio card that allows me to do the entire process in the digital domain. Most sound cards will introduce some analog-to-digital and digital-to-analog conversion steps when you run things thru the computer's mixing controls. This card (an old E-mu APS) has a digital mixer. Good luck! ^_^ Cheers, Paul - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Lumbard" To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Recording ram files > HYPERLINK > "http://www.bbc.co.uk/orchestras/symphonyorchestra/learning/bbcsofamilyorche > stra290906.shtml"http://www.bbc.co.uk/orchestras/symphonyorchestra/learning/ > bbcsofamilyorchestra290906.shtml > > > > Click the link Listen to the performance of Haiku Cylone > > > > Okay, I seem to remember we have been here before, and not being that > technically minded it sort of washed over me. > > > > The above link is to a performance which I took part in along with, my > wife > on percussion, and son on trombone in the brass section. I shant go > through > the whole process of how it came about, (but mail me offline if youre > interested), and rehearsals at Maida Vale, but to cut to the quick - I > would > like to preserve this recording for posterity, and for my mother to listen > to! - and throw myself to the present cognoscenti for help. If you give it > a > listen, thats me on guitar making it sound like koto music. > > > > If the recording aint simple, I dont think Ill be able to do it, so any > help would be appreciated. > > > > AndyL > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.6/565 - Release Date: 02/12/2006 > 21:39 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:10:13 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Total Recorder V Audacity >>The other weird thing about Audacity is its file format. When it records, it streams directly to your hard disc - in a bunch of tiny files, each lasting about 1 sec. So - if you do a long recording, you can have thousands of these files. If you're using a PC, and you're using a FAT or FAT32 formatted hard disc, this can really eat up your hard disc space. (technically, it's the file cluster size). It's not mandatory, but NTFS will make this easier. You can easily export your Audacity files to .WAV or some other archive format, and delete the originals - this will remove all the tiny files.<< If that's the case (and Andy says he wants something simple) then I'd definitely go for Total Recorder, which records as a straightforward .wav file that can be burned straight to CD. At today's $2:#1 exchange rate, Total Recorder costs less than a tenner and you get endless upgrades for free. It's as straightforward to use as a cassette deck ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 01:00:03 +0200 From: giluz Subject: [idealcopy] Art Pop It's beginning: http://www.githead.com/mp3/Radio/radioplayer.html - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:54:29 -0600 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Total Recorder V Audacity The process of recording a stream in Audacity is: Open the app Select the input Run the stream Set the levels Restart the stream Click Record When done, click stop Select Export to: wav, ogg, flac, mpe as you desire. close the app - no need to save any work files. On 12/4/06, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > >>The other weird thing about Audacity is its file format. When it > records, > it streams directly to your hard disc - in a bunch of tiny files, each > lasting about 1 sec. So - if you do a long recording, you can have > thousands of these files. If you're using a PC, and you're using a FAT > or > FAT32 formatted hard disc, this can really eat up your hard disc space. > (technically, it's the file cluster size). It's not mandatory, but NTFS > will make this easier. > > You can easily export your Audacity files to .WAV or some other archive > format, and delete the originals - this will remove all the tiny files.<< > > > > If that's the case (and Andy says he wants something simple) then I'd > definitely go for Total Recorder, which records as a straightforward .wav > file > that > can be burned straight to CD. > > At today's $2:#1 exchange rate, Total Recorder costs less than a tenner > and > you get endless upgrades for free. > > It's as straightforward to use as a cassette deck ;-) > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:15:09 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Total Recorder V Audacity >>The process of recording a stream in Audacity is: Open the app Select the input Run the stream Set the levels Restart the stream Click Record When done, click stop Select Export to: wav, ogg, flac, mpe as you desire. close the app - no need to save any work files.<< Very tricky when BBC radio player is involved - it has a 5 minutes-at-a-time advance feature and no rewind. So if you want to set levels and then re-run the stream, you have to quit the whole thing and start at the beginning (assuming you're recording part of a radio show), inching forwards five (or 15) mins at a time. I tend to mess about with levels later, in a sound editor, using the default 100% +0dB setting as a lot of the things I 've totalrecordered have been from the BBC. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:37:48 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] OT : Best of 2006 Its the Silly Season again so that must mean its best records of 2006 time again. A long list this year too. Looking forward to reading everyone elses! So...in no particular order, and Without any of the endless slurry of irritating twiddly-diddly-forgettable-string-band-mandolin-strumming hippy bollocks that has engulfed us yet again and.. Without the hugely over-rated and shite band who I am ashamed to share a birthplace with who are very irritating with their endless desperation to pretend that they are not really famous despite their megastardom. "Eee whats this red carpet for? Does tha think we're in t' best selling band o t'year or summat?". If I could invent a machine that could swap brains around I would put the Arctic Monkeys brains into the bodies of the members of Smokie and see how they like that. TV On The Radio - Return to Cookie Mountain Doo-wop Post Rock featuring one D Bowie on backing vox. Utter genius and you should know all about this one already. Serena Maneesh - Serena Maneesh - Kitchen sink record, its all going on here...MBV Noise, Keef Richards solos, Spaceman 3 style drone-outs, krautrock drums, swooping strings, sudden bursts of lush pop vocal harmony, murky noise. Utterly silly and daft but great fun. http://www.myspace.com/serenamaneesh The Early Years - The Early Years Supreme re-imagining of the early Spiritualized thing in a quite self indulgent, blatant way. V entertaining. Sometimes its great to be derivative. http://www.myspace.com/thesoundoftheearlyyears The Delays - You See Colours Delicious bubbly pop, strangely enough produced by Graham (Bark Psychosis) Sutton. Cocteau Twins meets Pet Shop Boys. Nuff said. http://www.myspace.com/delays Sparks - Hello Young Lovers Getting better with age still! If you liked Lil Beethoven you'll also like this. 'Waterproof' is up there with anything on Kimono My House. "Cooome onnn Russell...Cooomme onnn Ronnie" Working for a Nuclear Free City - Working for a Nuclear Free City On heavy rotation in our house. Re-imagining Madchester with added experimentation and (gasp) original ideas. Its not all Bruce Springsteen-influenced dickheads round here you know. http://www.myspace.com/wfanfc The Longcut - A Call and Response Second best Manchester band at the moment. See above. Excellent electronically enhanced rock thunk marred a wee bit by reliance on Rapture/PiL shouty vocal. http://www.myspace.com/thelongcut Liars - Drum's Not Dead. They've never quite grabbed me till now. 'eavy stuff but essential listening. Captain - This is Hazelville My favorite of the year I reckon and def No.1 in our house but cause of some pub arguments as they are a bit of a love em/hate em. I Say...Brilliantly crafted, multi-layered intelligent pop music of the sort i've not heard since Prefab Sprouts Jordan era. These sound like a beautiful summmer morning in 1983 given a full on 2006 production. Wonderful live band too. Slightly dark edge and loud guitars ensures that any comparisons with (cough) Deacon Blue can be avoided. http://www.myspace.com/captaintheband This Heat - Box Set Not new, but new to me (bar a dodgy bootleg of Blue & Yellow). A joy to hear all this stuff at once and the box is a wonder to behold. Paik - Monster of the Absolute Great. This is how I imagined Mars Volta might sound (as opposed to the twiddly metal wank they actually make) http://www.myspace.com/paikspace Kettel - My Doggan Classically trained electronica bloke and it shows because he really knows how to write a tune! Brilliant fizzy stuff and one of very few decent elecronic records I've heard this year. http://www.myspace.com/captainkettel Bodycode - The Conversation of the Electric Charge Makes me grin. Great melodies, infectious beats, headphone tickling sounds. http://www.myspace.com/bodycodemusic A Guy Called Gerald - Berlin Sessions - Gerald back doing what he does best, back to Hulme roots and the 808 beats and acid basslines but also finding some interesting new sounds along the way. Great fun from one the true pioneers. http://www.myspace.com/aguycalledgerald The Race - Be Your Alibi Readings answer to The Arcade Fire and bloody good they are too. Frontman looks a bit like a young Bill Oddie. Very ordinary people playing huge anthemic songs. They all have day jobs you know. http://www.myspace.com/raceuk Field Music - Field Music Yes I know I'm 2 years late on this one but what a brilliant band. Oft compared to both Wire and The Beach Boys and therefore tailor made for yours truly. Their new LP out next year apparently sounds a bit like early Genesis without the prog excess and guitar solos. which sounds intriguing. Bubbling under: Midlake and Spotlight Kid. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 22:41:13 -0500 From: Dennis Wygmans Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Best of 2006 This could be an interesting thread... I would add: Belle & Sebastian The Life Pursuit - A wonderfully fun collection of songs that finds the Scottish group, refreshingly, trying new things. Johnny Cash Personal File - A collection of songs recorded in his home studio during his creative prime that offers a magnificent insight into the man in black. Black Keys Magic Potion - This is the music that Jack White dreams he could make. Cat Power The Greatest - Chan Marshall's best album to date. The Mars Volta Amputechture - The best band from any Tex-Mexican border town. Far out prog rock. Slayer Christ Illusion - A return to form for a suddenly poignant and timely metal band that has been spelling out the evils of organized religion for more than twenty years. Art Brut Bang Bang Rock & Roll - If you haven't laughed along with this CD yet, you're truly missing out on one of the best post post punk records since the Yeah Yeah Yeahs debut. Gnarls Barkley St Elsewhere - guilty pleasure pick The Hold Steady Boys & Girls in America - The heirs to Springsteen's throne as the poetic voice of the people. CSS Cansei de Ser Sexy - Party songs for Brazilian hipsters Mastodon Blood Mountain - One of the best metal albums of the past ten years. This is my first "official" post... Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 22:41:12 -0500 From: Dennis Wygmans Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Best of 2006 This could be an interesting thread... I would add: Belle & Sebastian The Life Pursuit - A wonderfully fun collection of songs that finds the Scottish group, refreshingly, trying new things. Johnny Cash Personal File - A collection of songs recorded in his home studio during his creative prime that offers a magnificent insight into the man in black. Black Keys Magic Potion - This is the music that Jack White dreams he could make. Cat Power The Greatest - Chan Marshall's best album to date. The Mars Volta Amputechture - The best band from any Tex-Mexican border town. Far out prog rock. Slayer Christ Illusion - A return to form for a suddenly poignant and timely metal band that has been spelling out the evils of organized religion for more than twenty years. Art Brut Bang Bang Rock & Roll - If you haven't laughed along with this CD yet, you're truly missing out on one of the best post post punk records since the Yeah Yeah Yeahs debut. Gnarls Barkley St Elsewhere - guilty pleasure pick The Hold Steady Boys & Girls in America - The heirs to Springsteen's throne as the poetic voice of the people. CSS Cansei de Ser Sexy - Party songs for Brazilian hipsters Mastodon Blood Mountain - One of the best metal albums of the past ten years. This is my first "official" post... Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:08:39 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Total Recorder V Audacity > When done, click stop > Select Export to: wav, ogg, flac, mpe as you desire. > close the app - no need to save any work files. Unfortunately, though - Audacity has already placed the small files on your hard drive. That's how it "spools" during recording. True - you don't save them - but if your system can't handle that much microfile access... .well - that's how my machine was getting its blue screen of death. This doesn't happen with other audio programs - they just make one big spool file, and older systems seem to be able to handle that okay. Again - on modern computers - Audacity works great. I do use it extensively. And - I've upgraded that motherboard, so it may not even occur on the older machine anymore. (For you tech heads, the new motherboard has a faster southbridge - it should handle fast, small file access better.) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:10:44 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Total Recorder V Audacity > If that's the case (and Andy says he wants something simple) then I'd > definitely go for Total Recorder, which records as a straightforward .wav > file > that > can be burned straight to CD. > > At today's $2:#1 exchange rate, Total Recorder costs less than a tenner > and > you get endless upgrades for free. > > It's as straightforward to use as a cassette deck ;-) Also - I almost forgot. Andy - if you're using Nero, that has a pretty decent Wave editor (called Nero Wave Editor, naturally) included. That would do the trick - I've used it in a pinch with no problems. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:42:29 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Recording ram files Thanks for all the info, Paul. I fancy the "stream ripper" system myself but some experimentation is needed. I run one of these new Intel iMacs and only have a 32gig FAT partition for Windows, which is a bit conservative really - it seemed big after a laptop with a 20gig hd! At some point I may repartition the drive (or just connect up my external HD, I suppose). B ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #297 *******************************