From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #257 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, October 10 2006 Volume 09 : Number 257 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Frighteningly wonderful [Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Frighteningly wonderful Well boys and girls, if the current incarnation of The Fall are playing in venue near you soon, catch 'em - they're a joy to behold. They played Dublin last Saturday, and they were stunning. Really tight, really focussed. MES very together, vocal delivery of surprising clarity, no memory lapses. The usual keyboard and amp fiddling barely registering on the annoyance meter, mere physical tics that they are, habitual as scratching. They certainly are not any attempt at live mixing, as was rather naively suggested by his wife in the recent documentary. The current tunes have such a strong motorik driving force to them that really take off live. Monophonic monorhythmic monoliths. The band give them robust renderings with a tough steel sheen, driving them like a juggernaut. I wondered what, if anything, MES felt whilst singing.. his palsied expression gives nothing away. Was he enjoying it ? What did he think of the audience's ebullient enthusiasm ? Did it register ? Does he think about it afterwards ? Is it just another day's work ? As he looks more and more like Alex HIggins (with an Alex Ferguson management style ), with civil service dress sense and restless demeanor on stage, he is more like a compere at some workingman's gig than the leader of one of the longest running cult garage bands. I had to laugh when, in the documentary, he said he'd finally learned to sing after 25 years, especially when they cut to a shot of him in the studio, jabbering into the mike in his customary manner whilst whacking a cymbal. I struggled against some odds to get my customary photographic record of the gig, but the place was rammed. Hemmed in on all sides at the stage, including the front, where asshole security kept manhandling me back from the stage for no discernibly good reason other than to excersise their authority. Once the gig started, one of them stood arms folded face to face right in front of me, refusing to budge when I said I was trying to get some photos. I was ready to rip his head off, but sorely aware of where that might land me, i.e., on the street.. then a few flash exposures in, and one of The Fall roadies tells me to lay off the flash, Mark doesn't like it. Fair enough I said, not wanting to incur Smith's wrath. So, with light levels so low, and generally unchanging, it was a bit of a battle to get a half decent shot - especially when the crowd got very animated after a few songs, and it was like being on a ferry in choppy seas. http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/sets/ But the sheer propulsive power of the music more than outweighed these minor irritants. It bouyed up the crowd and carried it along, ripping through such excellent songs as "Pacifying Joint", "Bo Demmick", "What About Us", "I Can Hear The Grass Grow" and, to finish off, "Mr Pharmicist" followed by the mighty "Blindness", with the bass not so catarrhal as on the record, (as this player goes for a fingered style), though nevertheless providing a deep anchor to the song's thickly insistent trudging rhythm. Fuck, did I feel energised afterwards. Electrocuted I was transformed. Fergus http://www.roomtemperature.org http://www.asullenrelapse.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/ferguskellyrecordings http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/sets/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:56:27 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Ladytron in Columbus - 061005 including picture link I know I'm a little late on this, but the show was great. They've added a live drummer and bass player for the tour and it really fleshed out the sound. (Some guitar for added noise as well) There were still plenty of electronic drums and the bass guitar was barely audible. Still, nice to see people on a stage playing an instrument. Comfortable, small venue that sold out and tickets were very reasonable. The Black Box at the Wexner is probably my favorite venue. We completely missed the opening act and Ladytron started promptly at 10pm. I did get some good pictures. The quality is a little low on these: http://www.bolt.com/portfolio/photo/sets/displaySet.jsp?membername=elektrodad&setId=62778 Cheers, Billy p.s. I finally did get my hearing back... My musik? http://www.myspace.com/elektrolad / http://www.bolt.com/elektrolad/ My dj mixes http://www.musicv2.com/artist/elektrolad -OR- visit my webpages for old music downloads: http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ http://home.earthlink.net/~2signs/ http://home.netcom.com/~keepleft/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:16:03 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] (Was Ray Davies)...old rockers are better nowadays cos of the Internet Mate of mine saw him on his last tour. Apparently this included an ill-advised stab at 'rapping' and some dodgy audience participation but was just about redeemed by a spellbinding Waterloo Sunset etc. and a brace of Village Green tracks. You know, Its a strange and interesting process watching how the class of the 60s, 70s and 80s cope with doing their thing in the modern world. They seem to be getting better at it. As a kid I remember bands like Gerry & the Pacemakers or the Swinging Blue Jeans turning up on 80s TV shows like 3-2-1 with mullets and ripped denim trying desperately to appeal to the zeitgeist by adding some DX7 and Linn drum to their 60s hits. I remember Slade trying to go Heavy Rock etc. Back then 20 years in the business seemed like a big deal. Not now! Look at Wire, New Order, U2 etc. I think the fact that bands can now find out what their fans *Really* think about them on the internet is huge factor here. Our discussions on this forum have undoubtedly had some impact on Wire's activities over the last few years (albeit in a more subtle way compared to those of Marillion!) Pete Townsend is painfully aware of how to present The Who on 2006 (and seems to be doing a good job). If Ray Davies has internet access he has no excuse! And Then....I read Culture Club are about to go on tour without Boy George which completely f**ks my entire argument and we are back to the Swinging (stonewashed) Blues Jeans in 1983. Keith A wrote: > Don't build your hopes up, Ari. > >>From what I've seen/ heard, the present day RD is a million miles away from > the 60's genius songwriter. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ari" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:54 PM > Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Ray Davies........... > > >> http://www.pbs.org/klru/austin/tvschedule/index.html >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - Release Date: > 04/10/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:43:48 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Frighteningly wonderful Fergus >>Well boys and girls, if the current incarnation of The Fall are playing in venue near you soon, catch 'em - they're a joy to behold. They played Dublin last Saturday, and they were stunning. Really tight, really focussed. << /snip Told you so. You got yet another line-up, this time with the "English" version and another new drummer (so now there are hideous replica Falls on both sides of the atlantic). Apparently the American version is coming back for the next load of gigs (I'm going to the Brum gig on Sunday 15th) - so here's hoping MES will run the whole lot together (two drummers, two bassists, two guitarists) which would be one hell of a racket.... Like the Aboriginal Hobgoblin Backdrop... And if that ain't a Fall song title, I'm a bongo-playing granny ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:56:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Re: old rockers are better nowadays cos of the Internet Mate of mine saw him on his last tour. Apparently this included an ill-advised stab at 'rapping' and some dodgy audience participation but was just about redeemed by a spellbinding Waterloo Sunset etc. and a brace of Village Green tracks. You know, Its a strange and interesting process watching how the class of the 60s, 70s and 80s cope with doing their thing in the modern world. They seem to be getting better at it. As a kid I remember bands like Gerry & the Pacemakers or the Swinging Blue Jeans turning up on 80s TV shows like 3-2-1 with mullets and ripped denim trying desperately to appeal to the zeitgeist by adding some DX7 and Linn drum to their 60s hits. I remember Slade trying to go Heavy Rock etc. Back then 20 years in the business seemed like a big deal. Not now! Look at Wire, New Order, U2 etc. I think the fact that bands can now find out what their fans *Really* think about them on the internet is huge factor here. Our discussions on this forum have undoubtedly had some impact on Wire's activities over the last few years (albeit in a more subtle way compared to those of Marillion!) Pete Townsend is painfully aware of how to present The Who on 2006 (and seems to be doing a good job). If Ray Davies has internet access he has no excuse! No Doubt, unfortunately not so with mr. Davies, 'least not what I saw of the show (austin city limits) I switched off not half way through the third number, soooooooooooo middle of the road it was almost painful,reminded me of Boz Scaggs 'attempted comeback' why bother. Mr. Astbury was, unfortunately, correct. The Pixies comeback on the other hand................ A Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Re: old rockers are better nowadays cos of the Internet Mate of mine saw him on his last tour. Apparently this included an ill-advised stab at 'rapping' and some dodgy audience participation but was just about redeemed by a spellbinding Waterloo Sunset etc. and a brace of Village Green tracks. You know, Its a strange and interesting process watching how the class of the 60s, 70s and 80s cope with doing their thing in the modern world. They seem to be getting better at it. As a kid I remember bands like Gerry & the Pacemakers or the Swinging Blue Jeans turning up on 80s TV shows like 3-2-1 with mullets and ripped denim trying desperately to appeal to the zeitgeist by adding some DX7 and Linn drum to their 60s hits. I remember Slade trying to go Heavy Rock etc. Back then 20 years in the business seemed like a big deal. Not now! Look at Wire, New Order, U2 etc. I think the fact that bands can now find out what their fans *Really* think about them on the internet is huge factor here. Our discussions on this forum have undoubtedly had some impact on Wire's activities over the last few years (albeit in a more subtle way compared to those of Marillion!) Pete Townsend is painfully aware of how to present The Who on 2006 (and seems to be doing a good job). If Ray Davies has internet access he has no excuse! No Doubt, unfortunately not so with mr. Davies, 'least not what I saw of the show (austin city limits) I switched off not half way through the third number, soooooooooooo middle of the road it was almost painful,reminded me of Boz Scaggs 'attempted comeback' why bother. Mr. Astbury was, unfortunately, correct. The Pixies comeback on the other hand................ A Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:29:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (Was Ray Davies)...old rockers are better nowadays cos of the... >>Mate of mine saw him on his last tour. Apparently this included an ill-advised stab at 'rapping' and some dodgy audience participation but was just about redeemed by a spellbinding Waterloo Sunset etc. and a brace of Village Green tracks.<< He was pretty dismal on Later recently. Now if he really wanted to reclaim some credibilty he could do a lot worse than just tour Village Green with facsimile session men in the same way Brian Wilson does with Pet Sounds and Smile. The Kinks, of course, are one of very few '60s bands whose entire original line-up is still alive*. there were mutterings of a reunion at one point though I think that was before Dave Davies had a heart attack or whatever befell him a couple of years back. >>You know, Its a strange and interesting process watching how the class of the 60s, 70s and 80s cope with doing their thing in the modern world. They seem to be getting better at it. As a kid I remember bands like Gerry & the Pacemakers or the Swinging Blue Jeans turning up on 80s TV shows like 3-2-1 with mullets and ripped denim trying desperately to appeal to the zeitgeist by adding some DX7 and Linn drum to their 60s hits.<< Several pop cultural forces at work I suspect. Firstly, 60s beat combos went through so much cultural shift so quickly they ended up discarded and obsolete while quite early in their careers. Who wanted Gerry & the Pacemakers once psychedelia set in? Gerry looked about 40 even then in his suit. He' have looked utterly risible in a kaftan, or a guardsman's jacket, with a little beard. Hence their all-at-sea status in the 80s. Somewhere I have an excruciating single by the reformed original line-up of the Animals, from 1983 (it was a review copy, I hasten to add). On the sleeve they are all wearing white suits, with greying beards and mullets neatly trimmed. The A-side is cod-reggae and Eric Burdon sounds like Sting's dad. The Kinks managed to survive the 60s through cultivating an American following. They're one of very few who did survive though. Even the Beatles struggled as solo artists, relatively speaking.... However....bands dating from post-punk arived at the end of the giant leaps in pop development - at the point where things started becoming cyclical and nostalgic. The amount of change from, say, 65-80 is far, far more dramatic than from 80-2006 (I'm talking about beat combos here - not electronic/dance stuff). Compare, for example, Josef K and Franz Ferdinand. Hence bands like the Gang of Four or Wire or the Fire Engines can very easily reform and sound achingly contemporary to a load of kids who weren't born when they were new bands. I guess also there is a different mindset among the audiences for 60s bands and 70s/80s bands. Yer average 55-year-old beat combo fan from the 60s just wants nostalgia, while the sort of 40-somethings that populate this list are, I suspect, more likely to still have some form of handle on modern goings-on on the beat combo scene. Probably because they're young enough to be computer literate without too much grief. Generalisation I know, but you get my drift >> I remember Slade trying to go Heavy Rock etc.<< Which resulted in their most successful period IIRC, with hits in America and everything. 20-something metal fans had been teenage glam fans too. >>Back then 20 years in the business seemed like a big deal. Not now! Look at Wire, New Order, U2 etc.<< U2, to be fair, are still an ongoing creative band that has never split up. They are to the post-punk era what the Rolling Stones are to the Beat Combo era. >>I think the fact that bands can now find out what their fans *Really* think about them on the internet is huge factor here. Our discussions on this forum have undoubtedly had some impact on Wire's activities over the last few years (albeit in a more subtle way compared to those of Marillion!) Pete Townsend is painfully aware of how to present The Who on 2006 (and seems to be doing a good job). If Ray Davies has internet access he has no excuse!<< Pete Townsend has internet access, I believe ;-) >>And Then....I read Culture Club are about to go on tour without Boy George which completely f**ks my entire argument and we are back to the Swinging (stonewashed) Blues Jeans in 1983.<< Ian Astbury could step in, as he did for Jim Morrisson in "The Doors". In fact any band wishing to tour without their singer should have to use the caterwauling goon. Mark * It's actually very hard to come up with many of these at all. Cream is about the only other one I can think of.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 19:30:29 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (Was Ray Davies)...old rockers are better nowadays cos of the... > The Kinks, of course, are one of very few '60s bands whose entire original > line-up is still alive*. there were mutterings of a reunion at one point > though > I think that was before Dave Davies had a heart attack or whatever befell > him a couple of years back. > Dave Davies had a stroke. From what I remember, it's left him partially paralyzed, and unfortunately, I think that's ended the possibility of a reunion. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:33:40 +0100 From: "Andy Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] (Was Ray Davies)...old rockers are better nowadays cos of the... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Paul Pietromonaco Sent: 10 October 2006 03:30 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (Was Ray Davies)...old rockers are better nowadays cos of the... > The Kinks, of course, are one of very few '60s bands whose entire original > line-up is still alive*. there were mutterings of a reunion at one point > though > I think that was before Dave Davies had a heart attack or whatever befell > him a couple of years back. > Dave Davies had a stroke. From what I remember, it's left him partially paralyzed, and unfortunately, I think that's ended the possibility of a reunion. Cheers, Paul Ray Davies was talking very positively of a reunion on the radio the other day. He mentioned Dave's stroke, but said that he'd recovered enough to 'play a bit', he also said that he'd have to try and find him. AndyL - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - Release Date: 04/10/2006 ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #257 *******************************