From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #217 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, August 21 2006 Volume 09 : Number 217 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Pack a grin and a wet whistle ! [PAUL RABJOHN Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pack a grin and a wet whistle ! well guys i have rearranged my (er) frantic schedule to accomodate this one so hopefully will see a good IC turnout tomorrow. been ages since we could do this , really looking forward to it. i guess we gotta get there quite early if EGL is in the support slot? 7.30-8ish or so? see you all soon. p Fergus Kelly wrote: He Said : 27#11 , the latest manifestation of Graham Lewis' He Said project, will perform as guests of Swedish friends and colleagues Sci-Fi SKANE on Monday 21st. August at The Notting Hill Arts Club, London,UK. http://www.nottinghillartsclub.com http://www.myspace.com/nottinghillartsclub 27#11 will perform a selection of new works to be released this Autumn/ Fall. Sci-Fi SKANE are an electronic trio consisting of Bob Hund members, Thomas "Two Dots" Vberg (the other part of 27#11), Jonas "The Bonus" Jonasson and DJ "Marvellous" Marcus Tvrncrantz whilst Maria Eilersen (Rev19n) will ride shotgun for the evening. This brew have been known to savage and re-carriage the likes of "Goin' up the Country" by Canned Heat, triple out-melodica Augustus Pablo and maul and hog The Fall's "Pacifying Joint". Our own (Scandinavian) correspondent running out of tape (as per), stated: "This evening promises to be not so much a Soul Review ` la the 60's, as a Skol Review for the 21st Century, pack a grin and a wet whistle!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:27:22 +0100 (BST) From: PAUL RABJOHN Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pack a grin and a wet whistle ! well guys i have rearranged my (er) frantic schedule to accomodate this one so hopefully will see a good IC turnout tomorrow. been ages since we could do this , really looking forward to it. i guess we gotta get there quite early if EGL is in the support slot? 7.30-8ish or so? see you all soon. p Fergus Kelly wrote: He Said : 27#11 , the latest manifestation of Graham Lewis' He Said project, will perform as guests of Swedish friends and colleagues Sci-Fi SKANE on Monday 21st. August at The Notting Hill Arts Club, London,UK. http://www.nottinghillartsclub.com http://www.myspace.com/nottinghillartsclub 27#11 will perform a selection of new works to be released this Autumn/ Fall. Sci-Fi SKANE are an electronic trio consisting of Bob Hund members, Thomas "Two Dots" Vberg (the other part of 27#11), Jonas "The Bonus" Jonasson and DJ "Marvellous" Marcus Tvrncrantz whilst Maria Eilersen (Rev19n) will ride shotgun for the evening. This brew have been known to savage and re-carriage the likes of "Goin' up the Country" by Canned Heat, triple out-melodica Augustus Pablo and maul and hog The Fall's "Pacifying Joint". Our own (Scandinavian) correspondent running out of tape (as per), stated: "This evening promises to be not so much a Soul Review ` la the 60's, as a Skol Review for the 21st Century, pack a grin and a wet whistle!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:29:31 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy]Ignoramus requires help(of a tech-y muso sort)..v2/ was I'm Packing A Grin! Just read about this one in a mag on my vacation: http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=93 They have a 16 channel vesion too. As for price, I'm not sure how much but this caught my eye "...the MultiMix FireWire is actually costs less than most professional FireWire interfaces alone!" It seems to cover all your specs and then some including seperate channel recording "Each input channel on the mixer (plus the stereo mix) is sent into your computer while a stereo output is received from the computer for monitoring." I don't have much experience with Alesis other than an HR16 (from 1989!) that I still own and still works well (I use it as a trigger for my Pro One). The kicker is that it ships with a copy of Cubase LE which means it's Cubase friendly (if that actually means anything). Eric - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Derek White Sent: 14-Aug-06 7:42 AM To: MarkBursa@aol.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy]Ignoramus requires help(of a tech-y muso sort)..v2/ was I'm Packing A Grin! Silly me. I ask for some advice then forgot to send the details, some of which you've anticipated, Mark. The interface/soundcard doohickey has got to be able to do both jobs, i.e. allow me to multi-track on my own, but equally (if not more) important to me is the ability to let me record a live band, sending almost every input to it's own channel / track in my sequencer software. As for the number of inputs required, it goes thusly:- 2 Mic inputs AS A MINIMUM (pref with 48v phantom power feed, for vox(es):- each to be routed to separate tracks, 2 inputs , ( Hi-Z with gain/trim control) 1 for each guitar, again sent to own tracks, A stereo pair OR 2 mono 'ins'. for keyboards (This is a minimum requirement, and assumes that 3 stereo k/b sound modules will be sent already mixed down to 1 stereo pair)*** Another stereo pair ( 2 mono i/p's ) for a stereo drum 'submix' and finally one high impedance input for bass guitar d/i-ing So, yes I can just about get away with 10 inputs, although if I can find one that doesn't cost the earth that's got 14 inputs, that would allow for recording the main guitar with a stereo signal from the guy's Roland GT-3 floor FX, and taking the bass-drum/floor tom out of the drum mix and routing *that* to a separate track. So, with these requirements in mind, can I get a device with all the I/O I need , AND that will keep all the instruments on separate channels for simultaneous recording on 10 or 14 channels? I have to ask because this is my first foray into digital audio recording, and I just don't know if what I require is possible with what's available, given my PC's spec...... .....which BTW is a Hewlett-Packard 7425, Pentium 'D' dual-core processor, 1Gig memory under the bonnet, a 1 gig cache, and 800MHz FSB:- each processor core churns away at 2.8 GHz according to the blurb, so whilst it's not a 'cutting-edge' machine, it's fairly capable. Also, during recording, I'm not going to be pushing it with 'soft' synths, VST instruments or Virtual FX either, since I'm going to be running Cubase SX-3 which allows you to send signals from virtual 'insert points' to outboard effects, which I'd much rather employ. There's a firewire port on the front panel, as well as about 6 USB sockets I see you mentioned Edirol :- I *had* looked at their 1010 I think it is:- the one with 10 ins, anyhow. And also, an M-audio unit who's model number escapes me, both of which IIRC weigh in at about or just above the #300 mark:- for the purposes I described above, is this the sort of cash I should expect to fork out for such capability? BTW, I didn't know that Edirol was a Roland marque:- it increases my confidence somewhat, as I've never had *any* trouble whatsoever with anything that I've owned made by Roland / Boss etc.......... Any pointers, particularly if you've done similar recording tasks with a PC, will be gratefully received. I just don't want to make an expensive mistake...... Thanks in advance. Derek PS:- As I'm a rank beginner with *this* version of Cubase (altho' I have used the MIDI-only version on my steam-powered Atari STe for years!!) there's a problem with the set-up as it is ie with the 'onboard' soundcard in that I cannot get rid of this accursed 'slapback' echo when trying to multitrack:- I know about the problem with a soundcard's latency, but surely that would just give one out-of-sync repeat, whereas, I'm getting several repeats. How do I get shot of it before it drives me bananas ? I reckon there's some sort of 'circular assignment' thing going on somewhere, but I can't figure out where exactly? I've more or less left Cubase with all it's default setting intact, except for poiting it at my ASIO drivers, in the input select dialogue? Sorry for boring the non-musos, but I thought I might as well ask the musos that *do* occasionally lurk about here....... ;-) MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > (BTW, as regards the above-mentioned 'gizmo', I need some advice, so if > any of you more technically-minded muicians on the list would care to help, > see my post 'Ignoramus requires help'.............) Depends what you want to do. Are you using it to make demos on your own, or are you recording a live band? The number of inputs is pretty important here... Edirol interfaces look pretty good (made by Roland) - they do a 10-input box for about #300 and a 4-input one for about #200. Most comprehensive selections in London are our old friends Turnkey and Rose-Morris - but they're not necessarily the cheapest. However for new gear there's not a huge amount of discounting - it's not like vintage guitars, where Tin Pan Alley prices are stratospheric... Mark

Check me out! - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:45:33 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: The Cure remasters............ >Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:39:06 -0700 (PDT) >From: Ari >Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Ths Cure remasters................. > >......anyone heard them yet? (mine are on order) >Didn't order the glove, worth getting again? I had a money jar specifically saved up for this and so I bought all four remastered Deluxe Editions on the day of release last week. As with the previous Cure reissues, these are superb in sound quality. The Top has a corrected master apparently of "Bananafishbones", as it plays noticeably faster on this new edition and is much improved with the new aggression in sound. Many on the Cure boards are yelling about a nanosecond being cut from the drum roll at the beginning of "Shake Dog Shake", but, in all honesty, I wouldn't have noticed myself had I not read the comments...'tis very minimal and the song sounds incredible. The Head On The Door has the most wow factor as far as the improved sound, as the songs are suited for a louder sound quality approach. The instrumental demos for THOTD and KMKMKM are quite interesting and the bonus discs are a cut above the bonus discs for the previous batch of remasters. The Glove reissue is great...I confess to not having given my original copy of this album the due attention that it deserves and I've therefore listened to Blue Sunshine more in the last couple of weeks than I have in the past two years. The bonus disc of Blue Sunshine is the lion's roar of Cure bonus discs, as it includes original Robert Smith vocal demos of all of the songs on the album in exact order (Smith was forbidden by Chris Parry's contract at the time to sing on non-Cure releases and his vocals only appear on two tracks of the finished product). It's sort of a long-lost Cure album in a sense. Of course....there's a strange argument going about.... Robert Smith's vocals on the original demos have an uncanny resemblance to Robert Smith's current vocal sound than they do to the younger Robert Smith's vocals. Either Robert Smith's guide vocals were intentionally different for this Glove side project back in the day or the present-day Robert Smith has done some tweaking of the original demos. Most on the Cure boards are upset and seem to think that Smith re-recorded the vocals, but, since there is no official word in the liner notes or otherwise to supplement this, I'm just going to tow the company line and say that they are, indeed, original demos from 1983. Either way, the original vocal demos sound incredible and it's like enjoying an undiscovered Cure album. I really like it. Hope this helps. By the way, unrelated, I'm going to plug my current favorite local Atlanta band, Snowden. I attended their album release party last night for their full-length debut and they pack a nice punch both live and in studio. I'm linking their MySpace site, which has a song that I consider to be pretty flawless and crystalline as far as present-day post-post-punk is concerned...the song is called "Between The Rent And Me". "Black Eyes", which is also on the MySpace site, is quite keen as well: http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuqSln.hETosAPolXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3NXJtYmZwBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANTUzAxXzEwNw--/SIG=11ie4f8ec/EXP=1156182309/**http%3a//www.myspace.com/snowden Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:45:43 +0100 From: "John Goddard" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: The Cure remasters................. In the UK Magagazine UNCUT sept 06 P104 The Glove Blue Sunshine has had a great review on the merits of the fact the original, because of a contract clause, had Robert Smith singing on 2 tracks only Here the Whole album has Robert Smith singing throughout Essentially a lost Cure album John From: "Ari" To: Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Ths Cure remasters................. .....anyone heard them yet? (mine are on order) Didn't order the glove, worth getting again? Ari ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 00:28:35 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: The Cure remasters............ > I had a money jar specifically saved up for this and so I bought all four > remastered Deluxe Editions on the day of release last week. As with the > previous Cure reissues, these are superb in sound quality. The Top has a > corrected master apparently of "Bananafishbones", as it plays noticeably > faster on this new edition and is much improved with the new aggression in > sound. Many on the Cure boards are yelling about a nanosecond being cut > from the drum roll at the beginning of "Shake Dog Shake", but, in all > honesty, I wouldn't have noticed myself had I not read the comments...'tis > very minimal and the song sounds incredible. Re: The Top I loved The Cure in those days, but I really didn't rate that album (apart from The Catarpillar and the aforementioned SDS). I wasn't keen on the The Banshees album of that time (Hyaena) either, which makes me think that Smith and Severin at least were spreading themselves too thin. I still like The Cure, and buy the odd album of theirs, but haven't ever really liked them the same since The Top (though I *love* Disintegration). Must dig it out again and see if it's better than I recall or whether it really is in the top ten worst albums by artists I like (a list headed by Lou Reed's rather dire Growing Up In Public!!) Might be tempted to buy The Head On The Door though - I never bought that because although I liked the singles (and this might surprise people who know my tastes) I thought I'd find it too poppy. I guess I just like my Cure when they're a bit more miserable. Apart from The Top... K. np Sparks - hello young lovers (and loving it!!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:33:49 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: The Cure remasters............ probably i'm not the only one who'd be quite intrigued to read the other 8 entries on that list ... dan > Must dig it out again and see if it's better than I recall or whether it > really is in the top ten worst albums by artists I like (a list headed by > Lou Reed's rather dire Growing Up In Public!!) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #217 *******************************