From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #199 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, August 1 2006 Volume 09 : Number 199 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: Off WIRE ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy] Off WIRE [giluz ] RE: [idealcopy] Off WIRE ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... [Monochroma] RE: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... ["Clements,] Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... [MarkBursa@] Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... ["David McK] Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... [Ari ] Dyanco gadget (was Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour...........) ["Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Off WIRE >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:51:35 -0400 >From: TnA >Subject: [idealcopy] Off WIRE >2. >Motherfucking Tom Waits sold out Atlanta before I had even heard he was >playing; nowhere near as bad a situation a #1 above, but on its own >level somewhat distressing to me. Ah, well, a band with some former >Slits will play here this fall, billed, kind of bizarrely, as "The >Slits". Anybody here going to either of those shows? (Got spare Tom >Waits tickets?} > The Atlanta Tom Waits show sold out very quickly, as I tried to get tickets a couple of hours after they went onsale a few weeks back and wasn't able to. That'll teach me to do my gym workouts on the mornings that desirable concerts go onsale. Not going to The Slits (didn't even know they were coming this way). I've got The Church show on August 6, X w/ Rollins Band on August 24, and Ladytron on September 22. Other than that, nothing else big that I'm aware of. I'm hoping that Asobi Seksu comes to Atlanta to make up for the gig that they cancelled a couple of weeks ago. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:37:35 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Off WIRE On 7/30/06, TnA wrote: > > 1. > Mr. Giluz; He posted once that I know of since fighting began; is he > and are his allright? Our thoughts go to all who are caught up in the > middle of this newest insanity. > > Thanks, I'm fine. I live in Tel-Aviv, and the bombarded areas are about 100 km to the north. I am, of course apalled by the behaviour of all sides in this current conflict - behaving like thugs whose answer to any problem is useless and mindless destruction and killing. The saddest thing is that very few Israelis thjink like me - most of them are quite convinced this is the only way Israel could have and should have responded to the Hizballa. Thanks for your concern. cheers giluz - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:56:51 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Off WIRE ... It's a very sad situation. Violence never solves anything. B I live in Tel-Aviv, and the bombarded areas are about 100 km to the north. I am, of course apalled by the behaviour of all sides in this current conflict - behaving like thugs whose answer to any problem is useless and mindless destruction and killing. The saddest thing is that very few Israelis thjink like me - most of them are quite convinced this is the only way Israel could have and should have responded to the Hizballa. Thanks for your concern. cheers giluz ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:38:41 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... Wouldn't it have been better if the Cure remasters had surround sound mixes ala Depeche Mode? - --- Ari wrote: > What would be nice is if Richard and co. remastered > them themselves, ala Robert Smith............. Ari > > --- Jason Rogers wrote: > > > >Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:17:16 -0700 (PDT) > > >From: Ari > > >Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Psychedelic Furs on > > tour.............. > > > > > >He'll be hitting the > > >road (and the air!) with the Psychedelic Furs > this > > >summer and fall...dates and locations will be > > listed > > >as they are added and confirmed. > > > > Here's hoping that the Psychedelic Furs add > Atlanta > > to their lineup. I > > enjoyed their show back in 2002 when they visited > > Atlanta with Echo And The > > Bunnymen, but the effect was somewhat diminished > > because the Richard Butler > > and company were thoroughly upstaged by Ian > > McCulloch and company. I'd > > like to see the Furs play a longer headlining set. > > > > I'm also eagerly awaiting to hear if the Furs are > > ever going to remaster > > Mirror Moves, Midnight To Midnight, Book Of Days, > > and World Outside. The > > first three Furs albums were superbly reissued by > > Columbia a few years back > > with near flawless sound, bonus tracks, sleeve > art, > > packaging in general and > > I'd love to see Mirror Moves and Midnight To > > Midnight, in particular, > > receive similar treatment. > > > > > > Jason > > > > Now playing: Ladytron - "White Light Generator" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use"  The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:55:16 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... Billy wrote: Wouldn't it have been better if the Cure remasters had surround sound mixes ala Depeche Mode? Bruno wrote: In the UK our cars are the only place commonly to have enough speakers for surround sound - and they don't tend to have 5.1 processors. I'm lucky enough to have an (almost) purpose-designed audio room but two speakers with CD/SACD is what I'll be living with for a long time to come. Sounds good though. - --- Ari wrote: > What would be nice is if Richard and co. remastered > them themselves, ala Robert Smith............. Ari > > --- Jason Rogers wrote: > > > >Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:17:16 -0700 (PDT) > > >From: Ari > > >Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Psychedelic Furs on > > tour.............. > > > > > >He'll be hitting the > > >road (and the air!) with the Psychedelic Furs > this > > >summer and fall...dates and locations will be > > listed > > >as they are added and confirmed. > > > > Here's hoping that the Psychedelic Furs add > Atlanta > > to their lineup. I > > enjoyed their show back in 2002 when they visited > > Atlanta with Echo And The > > Bunnymen, but the effect was somewhat diminished > > because the Richard Butler > > and company were thoroughly upstaged by Ian > > McCulloch and company. I'd > > like to see the Furs play a longer headlining set. > > > > I'm also eagerly awaiting to hear if the Furs are > > ever going to remaster > > Mirror Moves, Midnight To Midnight, Book Of Days, > > and World Outside. The > > first three Furs albums were superbly reissued by > > Columbia a few years back > > with near flawless sound, bonus tracks, sleeve > art, > > packaging in general and > > I'd love to see Mirror Moves and Midnight To > > Midnight, in particular, > > receive similar treatment. > > > > > > Jason > > > > Now playing: Ladytron - "White Light Generator" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use"  The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:06:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... >>Billy wrote: Wouldn't it have been better if the Cure remasters had surround sound mixes ala Depeche Mode? Bruno wrote: In the UK our cars are the only place commonly to have enough speakers for surround sound - and they don't tend to have 5.1 processors. I'm lucky enough to have an (almost) purpose-designed audio room but two speakers with CD/SACD is what I'll be living with for a long time to come. Sounds good though. << Never really seen the appeal of "surround sound" for straight audio. Fine for films, where you're using the position of the sound to emphasise movement or some other visual event, but tricksy panning on albums - certainly those made using a standard "beat combo" - tends to just become irritating once you've got past the "wow" factor. Surely you want to hear it as if it's being peformed by the band? Give me a good, clear, fixed stereo image any day. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:12:45 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... NO Two Speakers Good 5 Speakers Bad (I recently swapped my HK 5.1 receiver and Cambridge system for: a $25 T-Amp and a pair of PSB Alpha-Bs Along with a 13 Watt power adaptor and rca to stereo miniplug adaptor from Radio Shack The best sounding stereo I ever owned cost $225 (Cook County 9.75 sales tax included) Oh - I am using an Apex AD-1500 DVD for my sound source - This component could use some upgrading, but it is Region and Macrovision free.... On 7/31/06, Monochromatic Man wrote: > > Wouldn't it have been better if the Cure remasters had > surround sound mixes ala Depeche Mode? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:31:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... MOST DEFINITELY............ - --- Monochromatic Man wrote: > Wouldn't it have been better if the Cure remasters > had > surround sound mixes ala Depeche Mode? > > > --- Ari wrote: > > > What would be nice is if Richard and co. > remastered > > them themselves, ala Robert Smith............. Ari > > > > --- Jason Rogers > wrote: > > > > > >Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:17:16 -0700 (PDT) > > > >From: Ari > > > >Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Psychedelic Furs on > > > tour.............. > > > > > > > >He'll be hitting the > > > >road (and the air!) with the Psychedelic Furs > > this > > > >summer and fall...dates and locations will be > > > listed > > > >as they are added and confirmed. > > > > > > Here's hoping that the Psychedelic Furs add > > Atlanta > > > to their lineup. I > > > enjoyed their show back in 2002 when they > visited > > > Atlanta with Echo And The > > > Bunnymen, but the effect was somewhat diminished > > > because the Richard Butler > > > and company were thoroughly upstaged by Ian > > > McCulloch and company. I'd > > > like to see the Furs play a longer headlining > set. > > > > > > I'm also eagerly awaiting to hear if the Furs > are > > > ever going to remaster > > > Mirror Moves, Midnight To Midnight, Book Of > Days, > > > and World Outside. The > > > first three Furs albums were superbly reissued > by > > > Columbia a few years back > > > with near flawless sound, bonus tracks, sleeve > > art, > > > packaging in general and > > > I'd love to see Mirror Moves and Midnight To > > > Midnight, in particular, > > > receive similar treatment. > > > > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > Now playing: Ladytron - "White Light Generator" > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is > radically easier to use"  The Wall Street Journal > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:48:25 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: FW: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... Thanks, Ari. Sounds worth looking into although almost too good to be true... real surround sound with no power demand. B - -----Original Message----- From: Ari [mailto:threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com] Sent: 31 July 2006 17:49 To: Clements, Bruno - BUP Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... I also have a stereo system but can play c.d's/dvds in full (real) surround sound on my two chanel system (other than DTS). Some years ago I purchased a small box from a N.Y retail outlet that has a 'cold wired' (no electricity needed) 5 chanell matrix, one connects it to the output speaker wires of the amp and then one connects the 5 speakers to 'it',it reads the signal as would a 'built-in' decoder and delivers the sound to the appropriate speaker(s) it works real fine (made by Dynaco, model QD1 series 11(2) L) don't know if they're still available, nothing on their site or on ebay, it cost me around $25 iirc. had mine about ten years . it also has 'settings' that allow 'concert hall' feel to it ,a passive volume control for the rear speakers and other useless features. I love it. Ari - - ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:52:00 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: FW: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... http://home.indy.net/~gregdunn/dynaco/ The below is taken from the above... looks like they were ahead of their time, and still are. Hold onto your QD-1, Ari! Transistor equipment--Dyna made many transistor models, most of which were highly regarded in their day. However, as with almost all other 60's and 70's solid state gear, modern equipment surpasses these units in almost every area, so they have very limited collector's interest. Common Dyna solid state units include the PAT4, 5, and 5 Bi-Fet preamps, Stereo 80, 150, 400, and 416 power amps, SCA 50 and 80 integrated amps, and FM-5 tuner. One interesting vintage Dyna unit from this era is the QD-1 Quadaptor, which was the first commercial version of the famous Hafler passive surround sound system. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:04:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] stereo/5.1 (was psychedelic Furs) David:>>NO Two Speakers Good 5 Speakers Bad (I recently swapped my HK 5.1 receiver and Cambridge systemfora$25T-Amp http://www.si-technologies.com/frontEnd/cm_productDetail.jsp?productID=18> and a pair of PSB Alpha-Bs Along with a 13 Watt power adaptor and rca to stereo miniplug adaptor from Radio Shack The best sounding stereo I ever owned cost $225 (Cook County 9.75 sales tax included) Oh - I am using an Apex AD-1500 DVD for my sound source - This component could use some upgrading, but it is Region and Macrovision free....<< Interesting system you have there David, how does it compare to some of the 'recognised' mid-high end Hi-Fi? (it probably beats a lot of them) I also have a stereo system :Meridian pre feeding an NAD power amp fed by Linn cable (which was free) that drive my Klipsch KG2 speakers also on spiked Linn stands (I was friends with some people who owned a high-end hi fi store so got ex dem stuff for less than cost)However I can play c.d's/dvds in full (real) surround sound on my two chanel system (other than DTS). Some years ago I purchased a small box from a N.Y retail outlet that has a 'cold wired' (no electricity needed) 5 chanel matrix, one connects it to the output speaker wires of the amp and then one connects the 5 speakers to 'it',it reads the signal as would a 'built-in' decoder and delivers the sound to the appropriate speaker(s) it works real fine (made by Dynaco, model QD1 series 11(2) L) don't know if they're still available, nothing on their site or on ebay, it cost me around $25 iirc. had mine about ten years . it also has 'settings' that allow 'concert hall' feel to it ,a passive volume control for the rear speakers and other useless features. I love it. Ari - --- "Clements, Bruno - BUP" wrote: > Billy wrote: Wouldn't it have been better if the > Cure remasters had > surround sound mixes ala Depeche Mode? > > Bruno wrote: In the UK our cars are the only place > commonly to have enough > speakers for surround sound - and they don't tend to > have 5.1 processors. > I'm lucky enough to have an (almost) > purpose-designed audio room but two > speakers with CD/SACD is what I'll be living with > for a long time to come. > Sounds good though. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:32:21 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: Re: FW: [idealcopy] RE: dynaco Nothing on ebay for the qd-1, but lots of other stuff. - --- "Clements, Bruno - BUP" wrote: > http://home.indy.net/~gregdunn/dynaco/ > > The below is taken from the above... looks like they > were ahead of their > time, and still are. Hold onto your QD-1, Ari! > > Transistor equipment--Dyna made many transistor > models, most of which were > highly regarded in their day. However, as with > almost all other 60's and > 70's solid state gear, modern equipment surpasses > these units in almost > every area, so they have very limited collector's > interest. Common Dyna > solid state units include the PAT4, 5, and 5 Bi-Fet > preamps, Stereo 80, 150, > 400, and 416 power amps, SCA 50 and 80 integrated > amps, and FM-5 tuner. One > interesting vintage Dyna unit from this era is the > QD-1 Quadaptor, which was > the first commercial version of the famous Hafler > passive surround sound > system. > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are > confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or > entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in > error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message > has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.clearswift.com > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:48:34 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Dyanco gadget (was Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour...........) Hiya! Well - it is too good to be true. But - it's not a bad thing - it's a very clever trick. You should just know what type of beast it is. Also - some amplifiers won't tolerate this trick very well - I've had trouble with it in the past. So - here's the trick. Most surround information - especially the early Dolby Surround systems - encoded their surround information as "difference" information. This meant that you put the information in-phase in one channel and out of phase in the other. For example: Say we have a Surround signal = S Now, mix the surround signal into the Left channel. We call this L+S. Invert the surround signal by 180 degrees. This we call -S. Mix this into the Right channel. We call this R-S. We now have a stereo source (L,R) with surround information mixed in. (L+S, R-S). The old terminology for this was "Matrix Encoding". If you remember the great Quad wars, variations of this were SQ and QS encoding. The original Dolby Pro-logic systems also use a variation of this. You would decode this by taking the difference of the two channels: (L+S) - (R-S) = L-R + 2S. The L-R portion of the signal was the *difference* between the right and left channels. Usually, very quiet, since most information - unless the sound is extreme left or extreme right - is shared between the Right and Left channels. Notice that the surround information is twice as loud as well. Here's the interesting part - and how this Dynaco trick works. If you place a speaker across the positive terminals of the Left and Right speakers - positive speaker terminal to left positive and negative speaker terminal to right positive - you basically create this decoding outlined above, without a separate amplifier or computer decoder. To explain: Any signal that's the same between the right and left channels - say a "+" waveform - present the same voltage on both sides of the speaker. If you remember in school, current flows from "+" to "-". Since the voltage is the same - "+" and "+" - no current can flow. But - a +S in the Left and a -S in the Right cause the speaker to see "+" and "-", therefore current flows, and a signal is produced. Now, throw in some passive routing logic, filters, etc. and you can derive 5 speakers from it. It's not as accurate as true 5.1 channel sound. In today's DVDs, there are 6 (5 audio + 1 subwoofer) *discrete* channels of sound. (Discrete means independent channels - not matrixed together.) All of these matix systems lose a little separation. For example, if we look at the example above, a far left or far right sound could trigger this speaker. There would be a potential difference, even if the corresponding "-" signal was not present. That potential difference is what causes current flow. In the discrete setup, you'd hear nothing. The Dyanco is a neat gadget. And - if you have don't have digital decoding, and your DVD player doesn't have discrete 5.1 channel outputs - this is a nice, cheap way to go. But - the drawbacks would include uneven amplifier loading and loss of separation between channels, compared to a true 5.1 channel DVD player or digital decoding setup. BTW - Digital decoding has lost a lot of popularity. Mainly because the new DVD-A and SACD 5.1 channels use digital sampling rates much greater than 44.1/48 kHz - which is what the digital connection (TOSLINK) specifies. So - my latest DVD player - some sort of Pioneer with DVD-A and SACD 5.1- has 6 audio jacks on the back. You don't need a decoder at all - just 6 channels worth of amplification, which you can do with 3 stereo amps. Cheers, Paul - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: FW: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... > Thanks, Ari. Sounds worth looking into although almost too good to be > true... real surround sound with no power demand. > > B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ari [mailto:threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com] > Sent: 31 July 2006 17:49 > To: Clements, Bruno - BUP > Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour........... > > > I also have a stereo system but can play c.d's/dvds in > full (real) surround sound on my two chanel system > (other than DTS). > Some years ago I purchased a small box from a N.Y > retail outlet that has a 'cold wired' (no electricity > needed) 5 chanell matrix, one connects it to the > output speaker wires of the amp and then one connects > the 5 speakers to 'it',it reads the signal as would a > 'built-in' decoder and delivers the sound to the > appropriate speaker(s) it works real fine (made by > Dynaco, model QD1 series 11(2) L) don't know if > they're still available, nothing on their site or on > ebay, it cost me around $25 iirc. had mine about ten > years . it also has 'settings' that allow 'concert > hall' feel to it ,a passive volume control for the > rear speakers and other useless features. I love it. > Ari > > - > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.clearswift.com > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:14:39 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: Dyanco gadget (was Re: [idealcopy] RE: O.T.: Psychedelic Furs on tour...........) On 7/31/06, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > So - my latest DVD player - some sort of Pioneer with DVD-A and SACD 5.1- > has 6 audio jacks on the back. You don't need a decoder at all - just 6 > channels worth of amplification, which you can do with 3 stereo amps. Chiming in again about my favorite toy ... 3 T-Amps (though the power requirements for some subwoofers might be a little demanding for the little Sonic Impact. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #199 *******************************