From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #163 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, June 21 2006 Volume 09 : Number 163 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Contemporary composers [Fergus Kelly ] [idealcopy] Wire cds in the mail... [Monochromatic Man ] [idealcopy] OT : Fad Gadget by Frank Tovey [Monochromatic Man ] Re: [idealcopy] Tim wrote................. ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] LATER ["Keith A" ] [idealcopy] Paul asks............. [Ari ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:35:31 +0100 (BST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Contemporary composers David said: That said, I would nominate Steve Roden and Carl Stone as two contemporaries worthy of attention. ((( Excellent choice. Roden's 'Light Forms' and Stone's 'Mom's' are good starting points. I was thinking of Tony's question more in terms of classically trained (academic) composers, and I couldn't think of anyone young, but of course there's no reason not to include more electronic/found sound oriented composers such as Roden and Stone. As such, I'd add Bernhard Gunter and Fransisco Lopez to the list, along with the early work of Thomas Koner and Jim O'Rourke. O'Rourke made some really fine drone based albums in the early 90s using combinations of stringed and wind instruments, field recordings and processing. Check out these ones: Tamper (Extreme) Disengage (Staalplaat) Remove The Need (Extreme) - excellent album of prepared guitar soundscapes with no processing. Hard to believe it's one person in real time. Sounds like four or five. Fergus http://www.roomtemperature.org http://www.asullenrelapse.blogspot.com http://flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/sets/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:33:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Tim wrote................. >>They sound exactly the same to me (apart from the fact that they don't skip and stutter like my knackered old EMI copies). << Tim you must have cloth ears or a lousey hi-fi system, there's a BIG difference in the sound, the remastered c.d is MUCH more dynamic and the instrumentation is much more defined.everything is so much 'clearer' and pronounced.......... no difference? Balderdash I say! >>However, I enjoyed the experience of listening to them very closely to hear the difference...I heard none but it does no harm to listen to a very familiar record intently.<< Try again Tim............... A Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Cheers, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:30:22 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: [idealcopy] OT : Fad Gadget by Frank Tovey Yay!!! - --- Mute wrote: > Mute are pleased to announce the release of the > long-awaited Fad Gadget by > Frank Tovey project on 11th September 2006. > > The 2 DVD and 2 CD package features a specially made > documentary covering > Tovey's life and career up to his untimely death in > 2002. > > It will also include rare and unreleased tracks and > live footage of > legendary performances, as well as classic songs > recorded under both his own > name and his alter ego Fad Gadget. > > This release has been put together by Frank's family > in conjunction with > Mute, utilising the Mute and family archives. > > Full details of the tracklistings for this package > along with sound and > visual clips will be available in the coming months. > > www.fadgadget.co.uk > www.franktovey.de > > --- > http://www.mute.com > > You have received this mail because you signed up > for information on all > Mute artists. > > To unsubscribe, just reply with the message REMOVE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:30:40 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire and Tristram Shandy On 6/20/06, Tim wrote: > > Ian B wrote: > > > > Before I go back to the football, are there any opinions as to whether > the > > recent reissues are significantly enhanced listening experiences over > and > > above other issues. I'll pose the same question as reagrds the > Eno/Byrne > > recent reissue > > They sound exactly the same to me (apart from the fact that they don't > skip and stutter like my knackered old EMI copies). However, I enjoyed > the experience of listening to them very closely to hear the > difference...I heard none but it does no harm to listen to a very > familiar record intently. > > Am I the only one who thinks they sound significantly better then? I haven't made an old to new version comparison, but I knew the vinyl and CD versions quite well and all three albums sound much better on the new versions. Especially Chairs Missing where the guitars have much more presence and are much more 'out there'. Do my untutored ears mislead me? Am I desperately trying to find an excuse for spending 50 quid? giluz - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:14:59 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tim wrote................. >>>They sound exactly the same to me (apart from the > fact that they don't skip and stutter like my > knackered old EMI copies). << > Tim you must have cloth ears or a lousey hi-fi system, > there's a BIG difference in the sound, the remastered > c.d is MUCH more dynamic and the instrumentation is > much more defined.everything is so much 'clearer' and > pronounced.......... no difference? Balderdash I say! Okay - let's make sure we're all talking abaout the same CDs here. ^_^ There are - to the best of my knowledge - three releases of Pink Flag, Chairs Missing and 154 in the UK/America. (We'll leave the Asian releases out of this discussion for clarity.) There's the original Harvest/Restless Retro releases. These are the ones most people in America have. These CDs are first generation - they are not mastered with the high volume levels current CDs use, and haven't been particularly EQ'd for CD release. Then, a few years back, EMI remastered the three titles for a UK release only. These versions have much louder mastering levels, and have been remastered with CD sonics in mind. Then, there's the current releases on Pink Flag America. So - I believe Tim is referring to the difference between the EMI remasters and the current discs. I haven't had the chance to compare the two yet - but I think they're gonna sound fairly similar. There is a big difference in sound (some good - less hiss, some bad - occasional track overloading) between the Harvest/Restless Retro releases and the EMI remasters. Ari - are you comparing the Pink Flag America releases to the Harvest/Restless Retro editions? Or the EMI UK remasters? Cheers, Paul (P.S. Yes, I have all three editions.... *sigh* ^_^) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire and Tristram Shandy On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, giluz wrote: > Am I the only one who thinks they sound significantly better then? I > haven't made an old to new version comparison, but I knew the vinyl and > CD versions quite well and all three albums sound much better on the new > versions. Especially Chairs Missing where the guitars have much more > presence and are much more 'out there'. Do my untutored ears mislead me? > Am I desperately trying to find an excuse for spending 50 quid? I had the Restless editions of Pink Flag and 154, and the ooooold EMI pressing of Chairs Missing. The new CM sounded much better and different, while with the other two, like Tim, I could as easily believe I was fooling myself as believe that the recording had changed. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:43:22 +0100 From: "Andy Lumbard" Subject: [idealcopy] Hmmm, Do i.... pay #16.50 x2 to see Scritti Pollitti. Will it be worth it? Anyone heard the new stuff? AndyL - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:33:37 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] LATER > Same could be said for The Yeah Yeah Yeahs. Gold Lion sounded good live, but > they seem to have lost something along the way.<< > > Agreed. That new single is nothing to get excited about. Always found thim a > tad over-hyped, though you can see why Wendy appeals. Been playing that early YYY's session on terre T's Cherry Blossom Clinic recently. No doubt about it for me. They were really good back then. > Just find it highly amusing when these "next big thing" bands turn out to > have been peddling some other stylistically ludicrous act for years before > hopping on the bandwagon. Like the tosser out of the Bravery with his white rasta > dreads and his ska band. Next minute he's Pete fucking Murphy. That's Pete Murphy if he was a centre half at Aston Villa surely? Having said I must admit to a soft spot for An Honest Mistake. Gets coat... ; ) K. np Tarwater - the needle was travelling ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:04:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Paul asks............. >>Ari - are you comparing the Pink Flag America releases to the Harvest/Restless Retro editions? Or the EMI UK remasters?<< No Paul, I was refering to the Byrne/Enos remaster (my life in the bush of ghosts) I too have more than one pink flag.......(etc) silly innit.(asking for trouble here) Ari Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #163 *******************************