From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #159 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, June 16 2006 Volume 09 : Number 159 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] O.T: Yippee!! [Ari ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V9 #158 [tony clough ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:34:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Yippee!! http://cm.ebay.com/cm/ck/1065-29392-2357-0?uid=246882386&site=0&ver=EOIBSA080805&lk=URL&Item=4893009445 or; http://tinyurl.com/g86y2 Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:12:35 +0100 From: tony clough Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V9 #158 > Like most people I came to know his works (e.g. Lux Aeterna) through > the soundtrack of Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey. I think the film > gained enormously from from Ligeti's otherworldly tunes. Apparently > Ligeti even sued Kubrick over alterations to one of his work. So much > for gratitude to introduce his "difficult" music to a larger > audience... "What are you doing Dave?" > > Bart Sad to hear about Ligeti's death. You're right, Bart, about Kubrick bringing Ligeti before a wider audience but Ligeti's anger was due to the fact that it was done without permission or payment - the first he knew about it was when he saw the film. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Sonic Youth on radio/net tonite........ http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5480397 Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:01:43 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V9 #158 This is the story suggested in the Guardian obituary, for example, but for years I've understood that Ligeti sued due to Kubrick distorting his work in the final sequence of 2001 (using it as alien sound while Bowman grows old). A quick Google search suggests both stories are out there but this extract from http://www.in70mm.com/newsletter/1997/48/soundtrack/2001.htm has a ring of truth: 'Robert C. Cumbow's article on the music tells us how Gyvrgy Ligeti "took successful legal action for the unauthorized modification of his music", particularly concerning the electronically treated excerpts from Ligeti's Adventures. As a matter of fact, Ligeti never got as far as to the court with his case. The story is this: Ligeti met a friend, who'd seen "2001:A Space Odyssey". The friend commented on the use of Ligeti's music in the film - - much to Ligeti's surprise: he had not seen it himself. What is more, Kubrick had never asked permission to use Ligeti's compositions. His lawyer contacted MGM, claiming that the use of Ligeti's music was illegal - MGM replied that Ligeti had every right to complain, but since all of the legal business was taken care of by an English agency, a lawsuit should be addressed to the people in England. This was the beginning of a lengthy correspondence proving that Ligeti had a case, but that a judicial process would be long and costly. Finally Ligeti decided not to go to court. An agreement was made with Kubrick's management securing the composer a compensation - probably a lot less than what he was entitled to, yet still more than what was the first intention of Kubrick and MGM. The story might stain Kubrick's reputation as a gentleman - but gentleman ship doesn't necessarily apply when it comes to art'. Which begs the question as to why Stanley - or MGM - thought he could get away with it. The use of Ligeti was a very late decision by Kubrick - - he had already commissioned a score from Alex North and only decided not to use it at the eleventh hour - so perhaps it was overlooked in the last minute scramble (he said charitably). Whatever the reason, it is a brilliant use of found music as score and I'm sure a signpost on my journey into the farther reaches of music, given the effect the film had on me. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of tony clough Sent: 15 June 2006 10:13 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V9 #158 > Like most people I came to know his works (e.g. Lux Aeterna) through > the soundtrack of Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey. I think the film > gained enormously from from Ligeti's otherworldly tunes. Apparently > Ligeti even sued Kubrick over alterations to one of his work. So much > for gratitude to introduce his "difficult" music to a larger > audience... "What are you doing Dave?" > > Bart Sad to hear about Ligeti's death. You're right, Bart, about Kubrick bringing Ligeti before a wider audience but Ligeti's anger was due to the fact that it was done without permission or payment - the first he knew about it was when he saw the film. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:14:44 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] LATER > Keith A wrote: Anyone else see it? > > I know everyone hates Primal Scream, and yes Bobby G (I can't believe anyone > calls themself that in 2006, but there you go!) is a chancer, but I like 'em. > Less keen on their Stones wannabe stuff, but enjoyed the 2nd number where the > female singer started shouting. Probably won't buy the album, but I think I'd > enjoy them live. I note Kevin Shields has jumped ship since they decided to go back to being a Rolling Stones tribute. Its the blatant rock & roll cliches in the lyrics I can't get over! 'Country Girl you just keep on keepin' on'...nuff said! Increasingly think PS are just a pub rock band who got v lucky and basically their reputation is down to Andy Weatherall and Alex Pattersons remixing genius on Screamadelica (more so than Hannett with Joy Division/New Order) Always interesting Live though. Last time I saw them in old Leeds T&C, dangerously over-capacity,boiling hot, loads of pissed meatheads there shouting for songs off Screamadelica and most volatile atmosphere I can recall at any gig. PS were rather lumpen that night and Bobby G stormed off after someone threw a plastic pint pot at him. Came back on, started singing that song about 'civil disobedience' and then someone threw another and that was it. Then Mani came back on and started chanting 'Manchestah La La La..I'll fookin take all you bastards on' (you can imagine how well this went down in Leeds) MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > There's so much more they could rip off too - but even the punk-funk/No Wave > seam appears to be mined dry... whatever did happen to The Rapture? The Longcut album is going down well in my house. Sounds like early Martin Hannett/Factory, monotone vocalist, droney melodies but also with exploding Mogwai guitars. Basically Crispy Ambulance with more hummable tunes and dynamics. Ocassionally veers into identikit Bloc Party shouty indie schtick but mostly ace. > > Too late, I fear. The C86 indie revival is imminent. Invest now in Hello > Kitty kagouls. I believe NME is also trumpetting the return of Indie Dance. Same as before but with eyeliner and no Flares. Heard a Klaxons tune I quite liked it actually. Got to be better than all these friggin Emo bands, Razorlight and Pete Doherty. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #159 *******************************