From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #157 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, June 14 2006 Volume 09 : Number 157 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] OT-Virvel ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] LATER [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] LATER [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] LATER ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] LATER [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] LOST LATER ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:48:19 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: [idealcopy] OT-Virvel http://www.rapanellirec.com/remote/?view=nws&lg=e&pg=0 http://myspace.com/virvel very nice band from belgrade.. you can download few songs from there, i recommended them.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:59:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] LATER Keith A wrote: Anyone else see it? I know everyone hates Primal Scream, and yes Bobby G (I can't believe anyone calls themself that in 2006, but there you go!) is a chancer, but I like 'em. Less keen on their Stones wannabe stuff...................... So, thats pretty much their entire catalog, then ? ;-) Actually, no I kinda like some of the stuff they've done thats driven by Mani's more dub-influenced bass :- on one of their 'Later' appearances, they did a number called "If it moves, kill it" or somesuch:-that was pretty neat.....(Is it off 'Screamadelica'? Not too well up on them to be honest) I've sort of taken agin them somewhat after they behaved like a complete bunch of tossers at last year's Glastonbury. They sought outrage , but were about as dangerous as being beaten with a Chrysanthemum. Ray Davies needs a good slap. I want to hear him sing Sunny Afternoon, not theaudience. What is this? The Good Old Days? :-) Nail. Head. As for the slap, Yeah, I'll volunteer for that duty. I think it was a bit of petulance for being virtually dragooned into playing it. I don't like all this precious crap where an artiste is either reluctant to, or won't , celebrate his back catalog. Particularly when, as with RD, the current stuff is a very pale shadow of those old chestnuts. Why DO they do that ? >But best of all for me was The Young Knives, who I've had a soft spot for >since they had that ridiculous single / video out last year that went "If all >else fails, I'll be the Prince of Wales!". Now I know there's something >borderline novelty about them - they look like something out of The Fast Show >for god's sake! - but they've got something. Really liked the first number. >Made me laugh, and yet I really liked their energy. There was, dare I say it, >a little bit of Wire in there? ////// Don't know the single of which you speak:- this was actually the first time I'd seen them, and yes, if you closed your eyes, I agree you could definitely hear 'essence of Wire' in there, [circa PF, 3-girl Rumba stylee ?], with simple, spiky guitar lines..................... The illusion breaks down though when you open your eyes, and the sight that greets you is reminiscent of the fat kid that everyone used to take the piss out of / steal the dinner money of , when you were at school:- even down to the NHS-esque specs. And his twin brother on bass. NIce enough sound, but the image needs a bit of a tune-up, boys. However, I'll watch out for them with interest........... Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:35:33 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] LATER Ah, the Young Knives. Prompted mass barwards exodus of IC massive at Go4 Barbican shindig. I lasted about three songs. Messrs Rabjohn & Knight likewise. They seem to have become slightly "tighter" since then - though no less annoying. Besrt thing about them was the groovy Burns guitars, coupled with the daft image. They look two blokes from accounts who've formed an office band with a bloke from IT who plays the drums. Plus points for wearing those weird check shirts that only farmers and posh countryside types wear. The "I'm the Prince of Wales" single was called The Decision, which is by some chalk the best thing they've done, though that's not saying much really. Though there is a sense of humour in there - the fat bassist is called The House of Lords apparently, as he vetoes everything the others decide. "No - it must remain quirky and sound like bad XTC!" As for the "bits of Wire" sound - well therein lies the problem. They sound about 10% like 10% of Wire. The post-punk revival has really been reduced to approximately two sounds - bands that sound like XTC and bands that sound like Interpol. Which is missing the point somewhat. There are hundreds of nu-Britpoppers peddling the same choppy riffs and jerky rhythms. If it sounds like Wire, it sounds like the Intro to 3 Girl Rhumba. And not a lot else. Frankly the various Rakes, Cribs, Kooks, Departures and their miserable ilk sound more like Angletrax than Wire. At least the Futureheads were making their way as XTC impersonators four years ago. And even bands that actually sounded interesting at first (eg Hope of the States) are now ploughing the Bloc Party/Editors furrow... There's so much more they could rip off too - but even the punk-funk/No Wave seam appears to be mined dry... whatever did happen to The Rapture? Too late, I fear. The C86 indie revival is imminent. Invest now in Hello Kitty kagouls. Mark >>>But best of all for me was The Young Knives, who I've had a soft spot for >since they had that ridiculous single / video out last year that went "If all >else fails, I'll be the Prince of Wales!". Now I know there's something >borderline novelty about them - they look like something out of The Fast Show >for god's sake! - but they've got something. Really liked the first number. >Made me laugh, and yet I really liked their energy. There was, dare I say it, >a little bit of Wire in there? ////// Don't know the single of which you speak:- this was actually the first time I'd seen them, and yes, if you closed your eyes, I agree you could definitely hear 'essence of Wire' in there, [circa PF, 3-girl Rumba stylee ?], with simple, spiky guitar lines..................... The illusion breaks down though when you open your eyes, and the sight that greets you is reminiscent of the fat kid that everyone used to take the piss out of / steal the dinner money of , when you were at school:- even down to the NHS-esque specs. And his twin brother on bass. << ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:45:07 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] LATER To give me my due I think I lasted four songs before repairing to the bar to find you and Paul already there. But it was the only reasonable response - they really were dull. Galled to see your comment about Hope of the States. I've heard very little new stuff and this direction would be bad news (given that I'm firmly on the anti-Editors side of the fence here, a side I recognise is increasingly sparsely populated). I shall be seeing HoTS shortly and I hope they can retain some of their Branca-esque noise attack live, at least. Just saw the new Razorlight video on C4 following Lost - dull as ditchwater (the song, not Lost, which is if anything even better this series). As Mrs Knight is a big fan of not only Razorlight but also Keane (and, I should point out, the Editors and HoTS) I fear I'm going to have to do some serious hi-fi wrestling during the next few months. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com Sent: 13 June 2006 18:36 To: zak_blakk@yahoo.com; keith.indoorminer@virgin.net; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] LATER Ah, the Young Knives. Prompted mass barwards exodus of IC massive at Go4 Barbican shindig. I lasted about three songs. Messrs Rabjohn & Knight likewise. They seem to have become slightly "tighter" since then - though no less annoying. Besrt thing about them was the groovy Burns guitars, coupled with the daft image. They look two blokes from accounts who've formed an office band with a bloke from IT who plays the drums. Plus points for wearing those weird check shirts that only farmers and posh countryside types wear. The "I'm the Prince of Wales" single was called The Decision, which is by some chalk the best thing they've done, though that's not saying much really. Though there is a sense of humour in there - the fat bassist is called The House of Lords apparently, as he vetoes everything the others decide. "No - it must remain quirky and sound like bad XTC!" As for the "bits of Wire" sound - well therein lies the problem. They sound about 10% like 10% of Wire. The post-punk revival has really been reduced to approximately two sounds - bands that sound like XTC and bands that sound like Interpol. Which is missing the point somewhat. There are hundreds of nu-Britpoppers peddling the same choppy riffs and jerky rhythms. If it sounds like Wire, it sounds like the Intro to 3 Girl Rhumba. And not a lot else. Frankly the various Rakes, Cribs, Kooks, Departures and their miserable ilk sound more like Angletrax than Wire. At least the Futureheads were making their way as XTC impersonators four years ago. And even bands that actually sounded interesting at first (eg Hope of the States) are now ploughing the Bloc Party/Editors furrow... There's so much more they could rip off too - but even the punk-funk/No Wave seam appears to be mined dry... whatever did happen to The Rapture? Too late, I fear. The C86 indie revival is imminent. Invest now in Hello Kitty kagouls. Mark >>>But best of all for me was The Young Knives, who I've had a soft spot for >since they had that ridiculous single / video out last year that went "If all >else fails, I'll be the Prince of Wales!". Now I know there's something >borderline novelty about them - they look like something out of The Fast Show >for god's sake! - but they've got something. Really liked the first number. >Made me laugh, and yet I really liked their energy. There was, dare I say it, >a little bit of Wire in there? ////// Don't know the single of which you speak:- this was actually the first time I'd seen them, and yes, if you closed your eyes, I agree you could definitely hear 'essence of Wire' in there, [circa PF, 3-girl Rumba stylee ?], with simple, spiky guitar lines..................... The illusion breaks down though when you open your eyes, and the sight that greets you is reminiscent of the fat kid that everyone used to take the piss out of / steal the dinner money of , when you were at school:- even down to the NHS-esque specs. And his twin brother on bass. << ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:57:49 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] LATER >>Galled to see your comment about Hope of the States. I've heard very little new stuff and this direction would be bad news (given that I'm firmly on the anti-Editors side of the fence here, a side I recognise is increasingly sparsely populated). I shall be seeing HoTS shortly and I hope they can retain some of their Branca-esque noise attack live, at least.<< What I've heard of the new HotS stuff is very disappointing - just straightforward noo wavey guitar stuff. Very much in the Editors/Bloc Party mode. Nothing like Black Dollar Bills or Friends/Enemies or any of the interesting early stuff (which they didn't really nail on the debut album, despite the lovely packaging). I'm very definitely on the anti-Editors side of the fence. Such a blatant Interpol rip-off, right down to the guitar sounds. But without the element of surprise, or the skewed otherness that made Interpol so engaging in 2001. (which Interpol themselves seem to have lost on their much more straightforward 2nd album. I suspect these bands get put under a lot of pressure to deliver anthemic singles by their dimwitted record companies). The Editors are bandwagon-jumpers of the highest degree. Wonder what they looked/sounded like in 2001? (and I'm sure they're old enough to have been around then...) >>Just saw the new Razorlight video on C4 following Lost - dull as ditchwater (the song, not Lost, which is if anything even better this series). As Mrs Knight is a big fan of not only Razorlight but also Keane (and, I should point out, the Editors and HoTS) I fear I'm going to have to do some serious hi-fi wrestling during the next few months.<< Oh hell, Razorlight have to be the very worst* of the current crop. The naked ambition of that twat of a singer, coupled with the most slender talent, plagiarised material and slappable personality. Truly horrible group, a million times worse than Keane (who I can't abide either but recognise they have a gift for a hummable tune and at least sound distinctive). As for Lost, never watched it. Find it hard to get excited by current US drama series. But I am excited by the fact that two of the best ever Brit TV drama series have just been released on DVD for the first time (or even on video in both cases) - Gangsters and GBH. Yay! Mark * Actually, The Kooks give them a good run for their money.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:19:48 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] LOST LATER > As for Lost, never watched it. Find it hard to get excited by current US > drama series. Mark - this is one of the very rare times when a US show lives up to the hype. J.J. Abrams, the creator of Lost, created this show from the best parts of his previous show Alias. Lost is not really a drama - it's more like a complex character study with a few sci-fi overtones and an over-riding sense of dread and mystery. So far the first and second seasons have been very, very good. (2nd season just completed here in the U.S.) The show holds up well to repeat viewings too - I bought my wife the 1st season on DVD, so I've had a chance to watch it a few times. ^_^ Unfortunately, in the UK, I don't think you're getting all the cool cross-pollination that's been a hallmark of the show. The ABC network has been running fake advertisements featuring corporations mentioned in Lost. For example, ABC has been airing an Oceanic airlines advertisement during primetime with no indication it was fictional - it looks legitimate. Each of these ads have featured a website that has more clues for the show. You can also buy a novel that one of the characters was reading in the show - it appears to have some bearing on future plot developments. Obviously, it still may not be a show you'll enjoy. But - if any of this sounds interesting, you should definitely rent a few episodes of the first season. As American TV shows go right now, this is probably the cream of the crop. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #157 *******************************