From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #151 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, June 7 2006 Volume 09 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] What Sven could learn from me [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] What Sven could learn from me [Ari >You can fit in a frogs ear what I know about football but that Supergroup analogy seems to make some sense. He's saying you'd want the Football equivalent of Lemmy or Jah Wobble on the football equivalent of 'Bass' (defence right? With the goalie being the drummer?) rather than Pino Pallidino or whatever his fucking name is doing all wanky fretless stuff. Am I right?<< Sort of - but what he's really saying is the Fall is like a football team, with MES the manager, but the players changing very season - so after a few seasons there are none of the original players left. Put it another way - I'm a Leeds United fan and when I first saw Leeds in the 1960s it was the great Don Revie team - those players (Norman Hunter, Peter Lorimer etc) were the Leeds United equivalent of Hanley & Scanlon, and the trophies the team won were the equivalent of Hex Enduction Hour, Grotesque etc. By the 1980s Leeds had fallen on hard times, not replaced the great players, brought in journeymen pros, been relegated etc. The equivalent in Fall terms is rubbish 90s albums like Levitate or Middle Class Revolt. However by the 1990s things had picked up - Leeds were promoted again and won the league, with a different group of players. (MES recruits a new Fall and makes The Unutterable). Then it all goes tits up again and Leeds get relegated (MES has an alcoholic wobbler, sacks band again and produces Are You Are Missing Winner). And onwards. The point is - throughout all the ups and downs, it's still Leeds United, and it's still the Fall. Stick with the rprogramme and it's ultimately rewarding. But a bit shit at times. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 04:03:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] What Sven could learn from me >>The point is - throughout all the ups and downs, it's still Leeds United, and it's still the Fall. Stick with the rprogramme and it's ultimately rewarding.But a bit shit at times.Mark<< Not so The Cure though eh? who also 'change players' a lot........... A Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:20:41 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] What Sven could learn from me > However by the 1990s things had picked up - Leeds were promoted again and > won the league, with a different group of players. (MES recruits a new Fall and > makes The Unutterable). Good analogy, except MES didn't hire expensive sessions musicians he couldn't afford to pay. Still you could say that the current keyboard player is one of those expensive goldfish they had at Elland Road. Pleasing to look at it, but doesn't actually do much ; ) Sorry that's nasty! And a very good analogy from our Tim, considering he knows nowt about footie. His Pino Palladino reference was spot on - all that fretless wankery.... It's Rio bloody Ferdinand! K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:28:50 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] What Sven could learn from me >>Not so The Cure though eh? who also 'change players' a lot........... A<< Not really - the current line-up is three near-original members plus a young drummer. Doesn't quite have the same "granny-on-bongos" factor, largely due to the near-constant presence of Simon Gallup; return of Porl Thompson etc. It's rare that Fall members get re-hired.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:39:55 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] What Sven could learn from me >>Good analogy, except MES didn't hire expensive sessions musicians he couldn't afford to pay.<< Which is, I guess, MES's point about why he'd make a good football manager. Point of order though - our 1992 champion team of Chapman, Fairclough and Sterland was journeyman to the core - apart from some French session bloke called C*ntona they got in to do some overdubs at the end before he buggered off and joined Simply Red. It was only later that Risible got the cheque book out and signed Pino! >>Still you could say that the current keyboard player is one of those expensive goldfish they had at Elland Road. Pleasing to look at it, but doesn't actually do much ; )<< Or Harry Kewell. >>And a very good analogy from our Tim, considering he knows nowt about footie. His Pino Palladino reference was spot on - all that fretless wankery.... It's Rio bloody Ferdinand!<< Or Harry Kewell ! Maek ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:04:23 +0800 From: "First Last" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] This Heat box Tis' a thing of beauty to be sure. On the Box Sets spring (Northern hemisphere) 2006 collection i'd have to place this ahead of Wire & Portion Control based on aesthetics of box & packaging only. Now just let me stare at it one more time....;) NP Eno & Co - Bath Abbey. Creation Rebel's 'Chemical Specialist' - On repeat...jeeez does that exercise your speakers! Tim On 6/1/06, Clements, Bruno - BUP wrote: > Well it finally arrived, on June 1 (the revised issue release date). > > Most of the discs are 2001 remastered, so there's been a fair time to think > over the packaging/booklet, but I still think it's fair to say it's one of > the best independent box sets I've ever seen (including the other major > release which many on this list will have invested in). > > Haven't had a chance to investigate the live recording, or subscription-only > 3-inch disc, yet but the Blue and Yellow/Deceit discs sound superb. > > > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. 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In that way, LLL is like the album in microcosm. The tune is achingly beautiful and somehow underperformed. A lament for a long-lost love which ends with a ghostly freakout. All over in 3 mins and 4 seconds". It's been so long since I played the White Album that I can't even remember what Long...sounds like to be honest. Must dig it out. A Day In The Life wins. Not even sure what mine would be... A Day in the Life would be in the running. As would Hey Jude, I Am The Walrus, Let It Be, Revolution, Lady Madonna, Things We Said Today (which I always thought sounded like it influenced the early Teardrops. All very diffferent, all very good. I tend to take them for granted. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:35:41 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] The 101 Greatest Beatles Songs >>>I Am The Walrus<<< When you hear John Lennon's take of the above on the Anthology CDs it makes you realise how much of what we hear was the work of George Martin and the engineers... It verges on, say, having a few ideas for a novel and getting some superb writer to create a book on your behalf. Still love it though! Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:39:37 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: Singer-songwriter Billy Preston dead at 59 Here's another sad loss... That is some C.V. when you see it like that. Didn't know he'd played for = Mahalia Jackson. He certainly crammed an awful lot into 59yrs. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060606/ap_on_en_mu/obit_preston [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Singer-songwriter Billy Preston dead at 59 - Yahoo! News.url] ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #151 *******************************