From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #149 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, June 5 2006 Volume 09 : Number 149 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT: New Post-Punk cd compilation WITHOUT Wire... [Mark] Re: [idealcopy] OT: New Post-Punk cd compilation WITHOUT Wire... [Mar] Re: [idealcopy] OT: New Post-Punk cd compilation WITHOUT Wire... ["Ke] [idealcopy] Re: CD World - Reviews ["Keith A" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:05:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: New Post-Punk cd compilation WITHOUT Wire... >>in other news, the sun rose in the east today. not sure why i conflated dva with vee vv. about the only time i ever heard of the latter was in a letter from a band member to an old fanzine i used to occasionally contribute reviews to back in the early '80s, the offense newsletter. i misremembered the letter-writer (who seems to have been allied with something -- a zine? -- called "blackpool rocks" or maybe "rox") << Blackpool Rox was The Membranes' fanzine - from which stemmed John Robb's journalistic career.... >>as saying he had formerly been in dva -- obviously it must've been tunnelvision instead.<< Could've been Zyklon B, Chainz or Bossa Nova ;-) (earlier bands including other VeeVVers) >> not that i knew tunnelvision from a hole in the ground at that time, though the zine had reviewed the factory single a year or two earlier. my second guess for a previous vee vv affiliation would've been dance chapter, who were huge faves of the zine's editor, but obviously i would've been dead wrong there, too. oh, well ...<< Well, there's a very odd and extremely tenuous link between TVN and Dance Chapter. When TVN recorded Hydroplanes at Cargo studios in Rochdale (a session at which yrs truly was present), the next band in was Dance Chapter (on the way to recording the Anonymity single). We passed on the stairs! >>but, yes, may've been having a hicks from the sticks moment -- "after-image" is probably my favorite section 25 song ever, even though it sounds nothing like anything else they've ever done (that i've ever heard, anyway),<< Always thought it was quite like Charnel Ground. But After Image was quite an early song and they didn't play it much live. >>including the almost equally raw "girls don't count" stuff. dva's "you're without sound" is ok, though imho it's not a patch on most of what's on thirst, especially the truly brilliant "4 hours."<< Very different band. You're without sound came from various cassette releases from 78-79. Very little of this got "proper" releases - two tracks on a French compilation (1858 & Otto M), YWS and Brigade on "1980 the 1st 15 minutes". Only Adi Newton remains in the band by the time they do Thirst. Band mutates via White Souls in Black Suits - then disintegrates after Thirst. >>actually, along with "after-image" my fave hicks track is they must be russians' "where have i seen you," which isn't normally the sort of thing that would be my cup of tea ... but there it is.<< Sort of quirky new wave thing that would be massive today.... Of course, HFTS also contains the earliest evidence of Pete Burns, in proto-Goths Nightmares in Wax. Yikes. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:23:13 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: New Post-Punk cd compilation WITHOUT Wire... On a similar theme, you will obviously know that Tank (guitarist with Robb's Goldblade) has left The Nightingales, but did you know that he has apparently joined, the - gulp! - UK Subs?? Apparent reasson for him being "asked to leave" the 'Gales was "excessive drinking", apparently. Which is quite an achievement when you think about it.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:24:08 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: New Post-Punk cd compilation WITHOUT Wire... > Blackpool Rox was The Membranes' fanzine - from which stemmed John Robb's > journalistic career.... On a similar theme, you will obviously know that Tank (guitarist with Robb's Goldblade) has left The Nightingales, but did you know that he has apparently joined, the - gulp! - UK Subs?? Keith np Devendra Banhart - nino rojo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:25:46 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: CD World - Reviews This is there, too... 04/14/05 Matt Hursh Wire - The Scottish Play (DVD/CD) Last years release of On the Box, the only complete document (the only footage Ive seen at all, unfortunately) of the mighty Wires first "phase" was cause enough for celebration. There they were - four guys stuck in punk, beyond punk, not giving sweet F.A. what you called them anything at all, playing largely unreleased songs to a roomful of confused Germans with a confident smirk. Never expected to see it officially, all sparkly and clean. The fact that the DVD was accompanied with a CD of the same performance was just gravy, and now its proven that once, in fact, isnt enough with the arrival of The Scottish Play. A set from the third incarnation of the band finds Newman, Lewis, Gilbert, and Grey obviously older, arguably wiser, and angry. "Angry" isnt a reference to disposition in this instance more to the point that theyre just playing the hell out of songs that were written to be played the hell out of. Fast and terse, chaotic and abstract, this isnt art rock/punk rock/whatever rock, this is a performance set on scalping speed. No banter, no time to breathe, no backwards glances save for an encore that does more to burn down four of the bands "classics" (see the 9+ minute version of "Pink Flag" or better yet the speed freak blink of "106 Beats That"). Newman presses a button on his smoldering effects module to end the set, and thus, the Send/Read & Burn era. Hopefully, that button was "Pause." ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith A To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: CD World - Reviews Came across this review of Githead on the net... Githead - Profile A spousal project (plus electronic artist Scanner) featuring Wire's Colin Newman and Minimal Compact's Malka Spigal, Githead is finely crafted dub-pop that works in spite of the protagonists' tag of producing largely difficult music. This isn't the robotic punk that Newman's been playing over the last 3 years or so, and it's not Spigal's brand of darker Euro rock; this is rhythm driven rock with cut-up lyrics leaning towards postmodernism and it still manages to be accessible and infectious as hell. Whether this is a new direction for Newman or just a detour, Profile is one of the most interesting and consistent releases of 2005. http://www.cdworldtx.com/reviews.php ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:57:24 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: New Post-Punk cd compilation WITHOUT Wire... > Apparent reasson for him being "asked to leave" the 'Gales was "excessive > drinking", apparently. > > Which is quite an achievement when you think about it.... > > Mark Yes, it's a bit like Pete Docherty sacking one of Babyshambles for a having a drug habit, isn't it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:02:32 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: [idealcopy] CD World - Reviews Came across this review of Githead on the net... Githead - Profile=20 A spousal project (plus electronic artist Scanner) featuring Wire's = Colin Newman and Minimal Compact's Malka Spigal, Githead is finely = crafted dub-pop that works in spite of the protagonists' tag of = producing largely =93difficult=93 music. This isn't the robotic punk = that Newman's been playing over the last 3 years or so, and it's not = Spigal's brand of darker Euro rock; this is rhythm driven rock with = cut-up lyrics leaning towards postmodernism and it still manages to be = accessible and infectious as hell. Whether this is a new direction for = Newman or just a detour, =93Profile=93 is one of the most interesting = and consistent releases of 2005. http://www.cdworldtx.com/reviews.php [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of CD World - Reviews (2).url] ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #149 *******************************