From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #138 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, May 24 2006 Volume 09 : Number 138 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] I Can't Control Myself (1978, w- Howard Devoto) [Derek Wh] Re: [idealcopy]:popmatters ["Keith A" ] [idealcopy] O.T: emusic [Ari ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I Can't Control Myself (1978, w- Howard Devoto) Did you have a browse through the 'other suggested videos' -type box to the right? There's some other great stuff there, including the promo vid for Devoto's "Rainy Season" single off "Jerky versions of the dream".... great stuff, although ol' Howard looks alarmingly like Marc Almond in some of the shots? derek Keith A wrote: Try... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPjkHYmoma0&search=magazine%20howard%20devoto - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari" To: "Keith A" Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I Can't Control Myself (1978, w- Howard Devoto) > 'unavailable old chap......... - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:39:43 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]:popmatters Can't agree with The Pistols bit, Derek. Their influence was enormous. And I still like Bollocks!! k. np sleater Kinney - the woods - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek White" To: "idealcopy" ; "mark bursa" ; Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: [idealcopy]:popmatters > MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Rare to see the point so spectacularly missed. > > Interesting to see someone try and shoot Wire down - and just how difficult > they are to shoot down. > The reviewer criticises Wire by saying:"With one eye on the future, Wire were pissing on the present and calling it art." > Yet surely that was the general idea? > > Well, I certainly thought it was. I thought it was one of, if not THE first moves away from the Sunday tabloids idea of 'identikit' punk-by-the-numbers, the same three chords recycled ad nauseam, and endless mannered, mockney songs about hi-rises, unemployment, boredom etc etc etc. > You know the form. But hell, what do I know. > > I'd argue that by the time P.Flag appeared, the 'present' was, musically speaking, only fit for pissing on. Extinguish, move on. How many times can you recycle 3 chords? > If , as alleged, Wire called it 'art' whilst going about the micturation, good luck to them is what I say...................................... > > Furthermore...................as MB says: > > >>Wire: snotty, arty, arrogant fucks. No shit, Sherlock. > > > Well he *would* say that, if his yardstick by which all music of the period is measured is *still* the Pistols. If ever a band was over-credited with influence way beyond the reality of things, they are it. > ( Never mind Lydon's latter-day revisionism where he oft sets out to inflate the degree to which they had 'a plan' mapped out in advance, independantly of McLaren: IMO the Pistols were a bunch of chancers who got very lucky.) And they weren't first in the queue, but back to Wire. > > If the reveiwer wants to draw such vapid comparisons, then lets have some honesty and / or objectivity. > > When was the last time that you hauled out "Never mind the Bollocks" and played it for it's own sake, rather than nostalgia, a party novelty or whatever? And consequently, who's work has stood the test of time the best? > > It's not difficult to point to music where Wire's influence is apparent. If the popmatters guy can't hear it, perhaps it's ear-syringing time. > > As ill-informed, and frankly blinkered a piece you'd struggle to find. > I think he thought of the "I come to bury Wire, not to praise them" bit first, and wrote to the headline.... ;-) > > ALSO:- > > Wireviews wrote: > > What a load of pretensious bollocks. > > >And a stark contrast to the glowing review on the > >often highly critical Pitchfork website. The problem I > >have with the Popmatters 'essay' is that it's > >sometimes inaccurate bollocks -- or at least > >misinformed. > >> If they're not going to include the extra tracks > >> on the albums, then they should surely have > >> included them on a bonus disc. I'd certainly > >> be a *bit* more willing to spend 50 quid on > >> the boxset then > > >This appears to be the main bugbear of the Popmatters > >chap. I questioned Colin about the lack of extra > >'tracks', suggesting that it was a bit strange that > >they'd been ditched entirely. (I was expecting them to > >appear on a bonus disk.) Apparently, this isn't Wire > >or Colin dismissing them -- it's largely down to > >rights reasons, and I didn't ask him to elaborate > >further. > > > >Craig > The new re-issues and boxset are on their own 'Pink Flag' imprint, yes? > Then Wire must have either bought the rights to, or license for, the three EMI/Harvest albums: given that this probably involved reasonable sums of cash changing hands, perhaps they felt that it was bad enough having to pay to re-aquire their own music included on the 'bare' albums, without having to stump up yet more to get the rights to use the bonus track material, which perhaps they felt didn't greatly add to the works ? > I'm guessing here. FWIW, I too was a little peeved the extra tracks had been missed off: the 'contextual' argument for their omission from the reissues doesn't really hold up, what with this new-fangled device called the 'stop' button . ;-) > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:40:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: emusic interesting stuff.......... http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/emusic.ars/1 http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/emusic.ars/2 http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/emusic.ars/3 Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #138 *******************************