From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #132 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 18 2006 Volume 09 : Number 132 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] popmatters ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] [idealcopy] Boxset ["Mark McQuitty" ] Re: [idealcopy] Boxsets arriving! ["Doug Wittner" ] Re: [idealcopy] popmatters [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] popmatters [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] popmatters ["Keith A" ] [idealcopy] Fw: Elastica v Wire ["Keith A" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Elastica v Wire [dpbailey@att.net] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Elastica v Wire [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] popmatters [rose_dan@colstate.edu] DJs at gigs (was Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Elastica vs Wire) [Andrew Walkingsha] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Elastica v Wire ["Cornelio Ud Ad (Ally in exile)" ] Re: [idealcopy] Best Wishes to Bruce [Ari ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:42:42 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: [idealcopy] popmatters http://www.popmatters.com/music/features/060517-wire.shtml well, i am on digest, i dunno does anyone posted this already.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:07:49 +0100 From: "Mark McQuitty" Subject: [idealcopy] Boxset Got my boxset today. Nice packaging. It's a bit too big to fit next to the rest of my Wire cd's but still very nice. Great notes from Colin, an interesting read. Went for 154 first and it sounds sweet. Essential purchase I would say. Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:53:30 -0700 From: "Doug Wittner" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Boxsets arriving! nice! hopefully the shipping across the ocean will be relatively quick as well, i'm impatiently awaiting mine...have been holding off purchasing the individual remasters, though i gaze longingly at them every time i go into the local record sto. this is turning out to be a banner f*cking year for boxsets, the ever-delayed This Heat and Portion Control sets are impending as well... anyone else received their Wire box yet? On 5/16/06, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > My boxset just turned up. Very, very nice packaging indeed. > > (As for the music, I'm about half way through the first Roxy set; it's > never less than interesting, but I can hear why Mary Is A Dyke never made > it onto the studio albums...) > > Andrew > > -- > http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | http://covertmusic.com/ | work: adw27@cam.ac.uk > "don't believe a word I say - not that you would anyway, > 'cause I may be insincere, but it's all downhill from here..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:21:51 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] popmatters What a load of pretensious bollocks. Someone apparently wants to make a name for himself by dissing Wire. Well, if he prefers Dr. Feelgood, Deep Purple, Elastica and their likes to them it's not very surprising, but what idiot gave him a place where he could express his reactionary opinions? I don't believe I've wasted time reading this. Yuch! Evil evil evil disgusting man. I think I don't like him. the righteous and divine giluz On 5/17/06, Mileta Okiljevic wrote: > > http://www.popmatters.com/music/features/060517-wire.shtml > > well, i am on digest, i dunno does anyone posted this already.. > > mileta > - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:47:06 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] popmatters Rare to see the point so spectacularly missed. Interesting to see someone try and shoot Wire down - and just how difficult they are to shoot down. The reviewer criticises Wire by saying: "With one eye on the future, Wire were pissing on the present and calling it art." Yet surely that was the general idea? Wire: snotty, arty, arrogant fucks. No shit, Sherlock. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:54:09 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] popmatters "Quite simply, Elastica kicked Wire's ass" Hahahahahahahahahaha!! Talk about undermining your own agument!! "With arrogance above and beyond the call of duty, the band's record label Pinkflag has announced that these latest re-mastered re-releases "have the same track listing, in the same order, as the original vinyl releases ... [with] no inappropriate extra 'bonus' tracks muddying the conceptual clarity of the original statements". Well, la-di-frigging-dah. " Got to say, I'm with him on this. If they're not going to include the extra tracks on the albums, then they should surely have included them on a bonus disc. I'd certainly be a *bit* more willing to spend 50 quid on the boxset then. K. np Stereolab - abc music - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mileta Okiljevic" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: [idealcopy] popmatters > http://www.popmatters.com/music/features/060517-wire.shtml > > well, i am on digest, i dunno does anyone posted this already.. > > mileta > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 12/05/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:54:21 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: Elastica v Wire I emailed popmatters re Elastica kicking Wire's ass and received the following reply. Subject: Elastica v Wire Keith I'll stand by my argument. Play "Three Girl Rhumba". Then play "Connection". Then repeat as necessary. In my obviously humility-free opinion, the Elastica song kicks the Wire song's posterior with vigour. And Elastica were much better live. It's only ever opinion though. Thanks for reading. Cheers Roger And he's right of course. It is only opnion. Fair play to the guy for replying, though. K. Tom Verlaine - songs and other things - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 12/05/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:00:41 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Elastica v Wire at the rest of sounding like a sexist pig, i will concede, having seen both bands, that justine did things for her mickey mouse shirt during elastica's show in memphis circa '98 that colin couldn't *hope* to do for any attire he might choose to don ... otherwise, though, i'll take wire. dan - -------------- Original message from "Keith A" : -------------- > I emailed popmatters re Elastica kicking Wire's ass and received the following > reply. > > Subject: Elastica v Wire > > > Keith > > I'll stand by my argument. Play "Three Girl Rhumba". Then play "Connection". > Then repeat as necessary. In my obviously humility-free opinion, the Elastica > song kicks the Wire song's posterior with vigour. > > And Elastica were much better live. > > It's only ever opinion though. Thanks for reading. > > Cheers > > Roger > > > > And he's right of course. It is only opnion. Fair play to the guy for > replying, though. > > K. > > Tom Verlaine - songs and other things > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 12/05/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:27:12 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Elastica v Wire >>I'll stand by my argument. Play "Three Girl Rhumba". Then play "Connection". Then repeat as necessary. In my obviously humility-free opinion, the Elastica song kicks the Wire song's posterior with vigour.<< It's a fatuous argument though. There's a big difference between writing the rule book and copying it out neatly, 17 years later. 17 years of advances in production techniques doesn't go amiss either. But that would be like arguing that Green Day are better than The Clash because the drums sound louder. >>And Elastica were much better live.<< Well, I've seen Wire 20 times and Elastica once. And even though Elastica were one of the best of the Britpop bunch, they don't come close to Wire as a live band. Actually, the DJ at the Elastica gig I saw played Three Girl Rhumba straight after they went off (Connection was the last song) which only highlighted the plagiarism. 3GR emerged with its posterior unkicked. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:04:32 -0400 From: rose_dan@colstate.edu Subject: Re: [idealcopy] popmatters Wow........That's the worst hatchet job I think I've ever read. Is it possible that one of the Wire guys killed his dog and set fire to his mom? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mileta Okiljevic Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:42 am Subject: [idealcopy] popmatters > http://www.popmatters.com/music/features/060517-wire.shtml > > well, i am on digest, i dunno does anyone posted this already.. > > mileta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:38:15 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: DJs at gigs (was Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Elastica vs Wire) On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 02:27:12PM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > Actually, the DJ at the Elastica gig I saw played Three Girl Rhumba > straight after they went off (Connection was the last song) which > only highlighted the plagiarism. 3GR emerged with its posterior > unkicked. The DJ at the Ladytron gig I went to last year (they were alright, but the venue was pretty terrible - bad sound) played pretty much an hour of 80s Wire between the bands; the last thing I was expecting after the stultifyingly bad support band was 'A Serious of Snakes'... Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:42:11 +0200 From: "Cornelio Ud Ad (Ally in exile)" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Elastica v Wire I always thought "Connection" was an Elastica's homage to Wire. Now I understand nothing... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:04:50 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Elastica v Wire On 5/17/06, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > that would be like arguing > that Green Day are better than The Clash because the drums sound louder. Bingo As to the relative virtues of live shows I would take 21st century Wire over Elastica as well And Mach II was pretty sweet as well - though not so universally well received stateside. Can't speak to the merits of Mach I because I missed the flit through North America ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:46:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: [idealcopy] Best Wishes to Bruce Probably only insiders do know, but I guess no one from the list would like to ignore this one. This is all about 60th times celebrating his birthday on the 18th. Have a nice day Bruce j - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:57:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Best Wishes to Bruce Yeah, Have a nice one Bruce ol' chap............ A - --- Jan Noorda wrote: > Probably only insiders do know, but I guess no one > from the list would like to ignore this one. This is > all about 60th times celebrating his birthday on the > 18th. > > Have a nice day Bruce > > j > > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low > PC-to-Phone call rates. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #132 *******************************