From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #99 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, April 14 2006 Volume 09 : Number 099 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock ["First Last" ] Re: [idealcopy] Digipacks ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......") [giluz ] RE: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: In the colour of this Flake I envelop you [Andrew Wal] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock [dpbailey@att.net] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock ["David McKenzie" ] [idealcopy] Century of Sam [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] Century of Sam [dpbailey@att.net] Re: [idealcopy] Century of Sam [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] Century of Sam [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] Century of Sam [MarkBursa@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:00:21 +0800 From: "First Last" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock Dark chocolate Kitkit? Let's hope it makes it over here? We've had limited editions of mint & orange. I seem to remember Kitkat with five fingers not four. Club biscuits also used to have really thick chocolate. Tim On 4/13/06, dpbailey@att.net wrote: > i recall the name as being something like "3-in-1 bar," though i don't believe that was quite it. i found it once via google (pathetic, i know, but i'm pretty damned serious about my candy, as my filling-crown-&-cap-crammed oral orifice shows quite well ... i'm somewhat surprised there isn't a candy-nostaliga yahoo group, or at least wasn't the last time i looked a couple of years ago) but can't recall the details. > > mark, is the dark chocolate kit-kat being marketed over there as a "special limited edition" (or words very close to that), as it is over here (same with a white chocolate version, iirc)? makes me wonder if they'll show up on ebay in a few years hence ... > > if forced to choose amongst chocolates (which might be even tougher for me than being forced to choose between, say, wire albums), i'd probably go with dark. given your & other british listmembers' antipathy toward our standard hershey bar, i wonder how you think hersey's "special dark" bar stacks up (assuming it can be found over there)? > > dan > > -------------- Original message from Ari : -------------- > > > > wasn't that called 'five boys'? and had (of course) 5 > > pictures, all the same of a silhouette of a > > tousle-haired boy? A > > > > --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > > > dan, still bereft (as i wrote, i believe, yesterday > > > to mr bursa, > > > inadvertantly off-list) 30-plus years after the > > > fact over the disappearance of a fondly > > > remembered candy bar from either hershey or nestle > > > that consisted of layers > > > of milk, dark & i think white chocolate ... > > > guaranteed to rot a tooth at 50 > > > paces > > > > > > > > > > > > I do vaguely recall something like that being sold > > > here - but certainly it > > > wasn't a popular brand. > > > > > > Always been partial to plain chocolate rather than > > > milk - the arrival of the > > > dark chocolatre Kit-Kat has been a most welcome > > > addition to the world of > > > confectionery. > > > > > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:09:11 +0100 (BST) From: PAUL RABJOHN Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock as (hopefully , please) the last word on the whole choc issue , i did have a snigger at a letter written into Viz a few months ago , where a reader was curious as to the precise value of the limited edition kitkats he'd bought a couple of years previously as an investment. on a lunchtime stroll a few minutes ago i see fopp selling the new digipacks at #10.00 whereas HMV is trying for #10.99 (interesting approach when the shops are about 100m apart). the artwork on those digipacks doesn't quite work for me , i'm sure the boxsets will be better. p First Last wrote: Dark chocolate Kitkit? Let's hope it makes it over here? We've had limited editions of mint & orange. I seem to remember Kitkat with five fingers not four. Club biscuits also used to have really thick chocolate. Tim On 4/13/06, dpbailey@att.net wrote: > i recall the name as being something like "3-in-1 bar," though i don't believe that was quite it. i found it once via google (pathetic, i know, but i'm pretty damned serious about my candy, as my filling-crown-&-cap-crammed oral orifice shows quite well ... i'm somewhat surprised there isn't a candy-nostaliga yahoo group, or at least wasn't the last time i looked a couple of years ago) but can't recall the details. > > mark, is the dark chocolate kit-kat being marketed over there as a "special limited edition" (or words very close to that), as it is over here (same with a white chocolate version, iirc)? makes me wonder if they'll show up on ebay in a few years hence ... > > if forced to choose amongst chocolates (which might be even tougher for me than being forced to choose between, say, wire albums), i'd probably go with dark. given your & other british listmembers' antipathy toward our standard hershey bar, i wonder how you think hersey's "special dark" bar stacks up (assuming it can be found over there)? > > dan > > -------------- Original message from Ari : -------------- > > > > wasn't that called 'five boys'? and had (of course) 5 > > pictures, all the same of a silhouette of a > > tousle-haired boy? A > > > > --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > > > dan, still bereft (as i wrote, i believe, yesterday > > > to mr bursa, > > > inadvertantly off-list) 30-plus years after the > > > fact over the disappearance of a fondly > > > remembered candy bar from either hershey or nestle > > > that consisted of layers > > > of milk, dark & i think white chocolate ... > > > guaranteed to rot a tooth at 50 > > > paces > > > > > > > > > > > > I do vaguely recall something like that being sold > > > here - but certainly it > > > wasn't a popular brand. > > > > > > Always been partial to plain chocolate rather than > > > milk - the arrival of the > > > dark chocolatre Kit-Kat has been a most welcome > > > addition to the world of > > > confectionery. > > > > > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:00:49 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Digipacks Whereas Virgion i Leeds is asking for 16 quid! - ----- Original Message ----- From: PAUL RABJOHN > on a lunchtime stroll a few minutes ago i see fopp selling the new digipacks at #10.00 whereas HMV is trying for #10.99 (interesting approach when the shops are about 100m apart). the artwork on those digipacks doesn't quite work for me , i'm sure the boxsets will be better. p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:37:58 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......") On 4/13/06, Keith Knight wrote: > > You should have eaten some in a real-time experiment! But this was before I read the e-mail. That bit of Gateway has completely slipped my mind but I haven't read it > since it came out. Have you read it recently? If so how does it stand > up? I remember enjoying it a good deal at the time. > > Keith No I haven't read it in the last 15 years or so, but it was fun. Avoid the sequels at all costs though. - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of giluz > Sent: 12 April 2006 23:00 > To: idealcopy > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of > Hindsight......") > > hahaha > > Actually I already heard about it: In Frederik Pohl's Gateway, when they > take the voyage everyone on the spaceship hates the protagonist's > girlfriend > because she insists on a diet rich in asparagus. I have to say that I > never > smelled anything odd, so this might be one of the few things where I am > part > of the Israeli majority. > > giluz, after a family dinner, where I didn't touch asparagus (and there > was > some). > > On 4/12/06, Keith Knight wrote: > > > > There's also the issue of not being able to smell the asparagus wee > > smell rather than the wee not smelling. This article suggests that > > Giluz, for one, may never have had the pleasure as 90% of the Israeli > > population cannot smell it: > > > > http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/band124/b124-7.html > > > > Dr another the Keith > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On > > Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com > > Sent: 12 April 2006 01:45 > > To: keith.indoorminer@virgin.net; zak_blakk@yahoo.com; > > idealcopy@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of > > Hindsight......") > > > > Apparently, eating asparagus makes some people's wee smell awful. > > > > This effects 50% of British people, and 90% of Amrericans. > > > > > > > > I didn't know that this *didn't* affect some people!?! > > > > Doesn't smell awful, just asparagussy ;-) > > > > Mark > > > > > > -- > Now playing: > http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ > > - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:14:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock >>mark, is the dark chocolate kit-kat being marketed over there as a "special limited edition" (or words very close to that), as it is over here (same with a white chocolate version, iirc)? makes me wonder if they'll show up on ebay in a few years hence ...<< After a period of "limited edition" status, the multi-pack two-finger Kit-Kats that you buy in supermarkets (not the full-size ones) now come in about six varieties - I've seen regular, mint, orange, dark, white chocolate and caramel. The latter seems spoaradic; the others seem permanent. Large KKs in other flavours generally tend to be limited editions. The KK range has expanded massively over the years...there are also "posh kitkats" with fruit-flavoured syrup fillings, like orange or raspberry and giant chunky kitkats which have one huge finger about the size of a Yorkie bar. >>if forced to choose amongst chocolates (which might be even tougher for me than being forced to choose between, say, wire albums), i'd probably go with dark. given your & other british listmembers' antipathy toward our standard hershey bar, i wonder how you think hersey's "special dark" bar stacks up (assuming it can be found over there)?<< Hershey bars are not available at all here. They just wouldn't be acceptable against Cadbury's Dairly Milk or Galaxy. The only US bar that makes occasional appearances is the Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, which I rather like even if they are very sickly. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:29:23 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock >>wasn't that called 'five boys'? and had (of course) 5 pictures, all the same of a silhouette of a tousle-haired boy? A<< Nooo.. That was like a Fry's Chocolate Cream, but with five different coloured fruity fillings within the same bar. The "Five Boys" design was very old - looked Victorian - and never changed. Don't know when it was killed off - probably in the 70s or early 80s. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:38:18 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Chocolate is short, crime is double On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 01:29:23PM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > The "Five Boys" design was very old - looked Victorian - and never > changed. Don't know when it was killed off - probably in the 70s or > early 80s. Definitely early to mid 80s, because my mum liked them when I was a little kid. Andrew - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | http://covertmusic.com/ | work: adw27@cam.ac.uk "pigeon?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:47:41 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Elbow - Live at The Showbox - April 11th Hi everyone, A bit off-topic from chocolate discussions (^_-), but I went to see Elbow at the Showbox in Seattle Tuesday, April 11th. Great show! If you dig their albums, I'm here to tell you they can pull the arrangements off live. The setlist was heavily inclined towards Leaders Of The Free World material, but they dug as far back as their first album for tracks like "Red" and "Powder Blue". Also - I don't know if they're doing this in every city, but if you bought a CD at the show, you could go "backstage" ( in reality - a roped off area near the coat check) and hang out with them, get autographs, chat, schmooze, etc. Which I did - one and all, nice blokes. ^_^ I have a set list, and recollections of my chat with them - way too much information for IdealCopy, I think. If you're interested, let me know, and I'll forward it to you. So - if you like Elbow, and you're in the states - consider this a ringing endorsement. ^_^ Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:51:46 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock sounds like the uk equivalent of a bar from my childhood called "seven-up," which featured 7 different fillings within a bar -- maple, coconut, an orange-ish jelly that i didn't much fancy, perhaps a chocolate cream, & 3 others that don't come to mind at the moment. dan - -------------- Original message from MarkBursa@aol.com: -------------- > >>wasn't that called 'five boys'? and had (of course) 5 > pictures, all the same of a silhouette of a > tousle-haired boy? A<< > > Nooo.. > > That was like a Fry's Chocolate Cream, but with five different coloured > fruity fillings within the same bar. The "Five Boys" design was very old - > looked > Victorian - and never changed. Don't know when it was killed off - probably > in the 70s or early 80s. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:59:03 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock sounds like kit-kat is a *much* more celebrated deal over there. in the u.s., i've never heard of mint (though i'd kill for that ... mint chocolate is an abiding passion of mine) or caramel varieties, much less the other varities you cite, & whereas orange seems to ring a vague bell, i'm pretty sure i've never actually encountered that, either. cadbury's is fairly easily found over here, but i have to say that it's never struck me as superior to regular old hershey's, or at least not enough to justify the inevitable extra cost (probably around 33 percent more, depending on the store). no doubt that's my decadently desensitized american palate at work. dan - -------------- Original message from MarkBursa@aol.com: -------------- > >>mark, is the dark chocolate kit-kat being marketed over there as a > "special limited edition" (or words very close to that), as it is over here > (same > with a white chocolate version, iirc)? makes me wonder if they'll show up on > ebay in a few years hence ...<< > > After a period of "limited edition" status, the multi-pack two-finger > Kit-Kats that you buy in supermarkets (not the full-size ones) now come in about > six varieties - I've seen regular, mint, orange, dark, white chocolate and > caramel. The latter seems spoaradic; the others seem permanent. Large KKs in > other flavours generally tend to be limited editions. The KK range has expanded > massively over the years...there are also "posh kitkats" with fruit-flavoured > syrup fillings, like orange or raspberry and giant chunky kitkats which have > one huge finger about the size of a Yorkie bar. > > > >>if forced to choose amongst chocolates (which might be even tougher for me > than being forced to choose between, say, wire albums), i'd probably go with > dark. given your & other british listmembers' antipathy toward our standard > hershey bar, i wonder how you think hersey's "special dark" bar stacks up > (assuming it can be found over there)?<< > > > Hershey bars are not available at all here. They just wouldn't be acceptable > against Cadbury's Dairly Milk or Galaxy. The only US bar that makes > occasional appearances is the Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, which I rather like > even if > they are very sickly. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:05:02 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock Er... do you still have any teeth left? - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:21:54 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock Before we get too patriotic here, there was an alleged risk a few years ago that the EU would stop most British chocolate being called such as it wasn't up to European standard. And I must admit, while I like Cadburys and Galaxy as much as the next Brit, they are a different experience to Lindt, Cote D'Or etc. Those who want to read more about the history of confectionery from a British perspective may be interested in Nicholas Whittaker's Sweet Talk, still available through amazon - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0575065559/qid=1144952288/sr=1- 4/ref=sr_1_2_4/026-8955831-4688434 Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com Hershey bars are not available at all here. They just wouldn't be acceptable against Cadbury's Dairly Milk or Galaxy. The only US bar that makes occasional appearances is the Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, which I rather like even if they are very sickly. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:24:40 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: In the colour of this Flake I envelop you On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 05:59:03PM +0000, dpbailey@att.net wrote: > sounds like kit-kat is a *much* more celebrated deal over there. It's between that and the Mars (different from the American Mars, it's a chocolate/whipped-nougat/toffee bar) for the nation's iconic chocolate bar, I'd wager. Both of them had really well-known advertising slogans, which probably explains that; "A Mars a day helps you work, rest and play" was the work of the immortal Formula One commentator Murray Walker, trivia fans (but you all knew that already). Andrew - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | http://covertmusic.com/ | work: adw27@cam.ac.uk "i'm thinking six" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:35:19 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock i can't speak for my uk brethren, of course, though in the u.s. it's a common stereotype that every briton's teeth look like shane macgowan's. then again, it's *also* a stereotype that every u.s. southerner (of whom i'm one) can claim about as many teeth as he/she can iq points, i.e. probably somewhere in the low to middle teens. as i've noted elsewhere, i have about as much metal in my mouth (fillings, caps & crowns -- having grown up poor, i was as likely to get braces as i was to get laser bleam implanted in my eyes) as i do enamel, but the only thing i've ever had removed was a wisdom tooth a few months ago. i used to average probably 4 fillings a year (which at least one person speculated could be attributed to my being of partial irish extraction, though i'm not sure if or why that ethnicity would have any more dental problems than anyone else), but since moving here 4 1/2 years ago i've had no cavities detected -- either the water has more fluoride than in arkansas, or my dentist has vision problems ... or i have no dental surfaces left to corrode. of course, i'm also part jewish (i think i've mentioned, giluz, that my mother's half-brother has been in rehovoth, near tel aviv, for well over 50 years), which makes me wonder about how i might interact with asparagus. i've always liked the stuff (though it's somewhat expensive), but my girlfriend loathes the very idea, so probably i'll not be exploring the subject anytime soon. dan - -------------- Original message from giluz : -------------- > Er... do you still have any teeth left? > > > > > -- > Now playing: > http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:23:07 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock this discussion has gone on way too long that said, let me add a final comment in the form of a Q:A How do you like your coffee? Crisp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:01:21 +0100 (BST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Century of Sam Well, this may not seem like the place to celebrate the centenary of one of the 20th century's greatest writers - our own Samuel Beckett - who was born on this day 100 years ago, but there is a Wire link... es Devlin, who created the wonderful stage design for flag:burning, was taught by Jocelyn Herbert, who worked with Billie Whitelaw on the production of Not I, where Whitelaw's head was clamped into position so it wouldn't move out of the light. For those unfamiliar with the play, all that is visible on stage is a spotlit mouth, eight foot from the ground, in an otherwise darkened environment, from which stream a torrent of words for 15 minutes. That might not seem long, but I bet it's the longest 15 minutes for any actor.. Colin's head was similarly clamped (hold that thought ;-) for the recorded video material that was projected on the boxes. Beckett loved music, and was an accomplished pianist. His favourite composer was Schubert. My favourite composer, Morton Feldman, composed an opera, Neither, that Beckett supplied the libretto for. It was recently performed in Dublin for the first time (and probably the last !). It was quite wonderful, and very different from the experience of it on record. Exquisite tension. Another first (and most definitely last !) tomorrow, when Feldman's String Quartet 2, which is dedicated to Beckett, will be performed in its entirety.. it's 6 hours long... a book and bit o' grub in the bag for that one I think ;-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/127686358/ Fergus http://www.roomtemperature.org http://www.asullenrelapse.blogspot.com http://flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:29:51 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Century of Sam yes, yes, that's all well & good ... but what was mr beckett's favorite chocolate bar? dan, quite envious of palmer eldritch's (pace philip k dick) stainless-steel teeth ... - -------------- Original message from Fergus Kelly : -------------- > Well, this may not seem like the place to celebrate > the centenary of one of the 20th century's greatest > writers - our own Samuel Beckett - who was born on > this day 100 years ago, but there is a Wire link... > > es Devlin, who created the wonderful stage design for > flag:burning, was taught by Jocelyn Herbert, who > worked with Billie Whitelaw on the production of Not > I, where Whitelaw's head was clamped into position so > it wouldn't move out of the light. > > For those unfamiliar with the play, all that is > visible on stage is a spotlit mouth, eight foot from > the ground, in an otherwise darkened environment, from > which stream a torrent of words for 15 minutes. That > might not seem long, but I bet it's the longest 15 > minutes for any actor.. > > Colin's head was similarly clamped (hold that thought > ;-) for the recorded video material that was projected > on the boxes. > > Beckett loved music, and was an accomplished pianist. > His favourite composer was Schubert. My favourite > composer, Morton Feldman, composed an opera, Neither, > that Beckett supplied the libretto for. It was > recently performed in Dublin for the first time (and > probably the last !). It was quite wonderful, and very > different from the experience of it on record. > Exquisite tension. > > Another first (and most definitely last !) tomorrow, > when Feldman's String Quartet 2, which is dedicated to > Beckett, will be performed in its entirety.. it's 6 > hours long... a book and bit o' grub in the bag for > that one I think ;-) > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/127686358/ > > Fergus > > > > http://www.roomtemperature.org > http://www.asullenrelapse.blogspot.com > http://flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:08:47 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Century of Sam On 4/13/06, dpbailey@att.net wrote: > > dan, quite envious of palmer eldritch's (pace philip k dick) > stainless-steel teeth ... > > NIce one, Dan. - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:14:26 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Century of Sam On 4/13/06, dpbailey@att.net wrote: > > dan, quite envious of palmer eldritch's (pace philip k dick) > stainless-steel teeth ... > > NIce one, Dan. - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:31:39 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Century of Sam es Devlin, who created the wonderful stage design for > flag:burning, was taught by Jocelyn Herbert, who > worked with Billie Whitelaw on the production of Not > I, where Whitelaw's head was clamped into position so > it wouldn't move out of the light. > > Colin's head was similarly clamped (hold that thought > ;-) for the recorded video material that was projected > on the boxes. So would that make it Not Me rather than Not I? M ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #99 ******************************