From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #97 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, April 12 2006 Volume 09 : Number 097 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Sugar rush [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] "Chairs" reissue booklet & THAT piano solo (OM) [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......") [dpbailey@at] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......") [MarkBursa@ao] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......") [MarkBursa@ao] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Cool Cash ["Bart van Damme" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:29:06 +0100 (BST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Sugar rush Here's one for the Mission of Bursa: Remember a bar called SCRUMBLE ? NONE of my contemporaries remember it... I'm certain about it though. I remember the ad featured a simple animation (vaguely Yellow Submarine style) of a plane whose vapour trail spelled out the product name. I think it was either Rowntrees or Nestles. Jog anyone's slacks ? Fergus http://www.roomtemperature.org http://www.asullenrelapse.blogspot.com http://flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:44:12 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "Chairs" reissue booklet & THAT piano solo (OM) On 4/11/06, Tim wrote: > > I'm not > alone in being a tad disappointed that Wire Mk3 used Pink Flag as a > reference point and not CM or 154. I'd say that only applies to R&B1. There are CM and 154 moments in later releases. I also think the choice of PF as the main point of reference was quite right for the time. I wouldn't expect or want Wire to make more CM-related songs, and as to 154, that's what I believe 99.9's all about. NME, Record Collector and a few other reviews seem to still be stuck on > Pink Flag as the classic album...perhaps thats the one most in tune with > the current Artic/Kaiser/Dirty Pretty Things..or maybe the lazy hacks > couldn't be bothered unwrapping the other 2 discs. It's probably an American thing. Current musical trends in Israel are usually imported from America. I was amazed when a few months ago I spoke to a kid who knew PF but never heard about CM and 154 It has to do with the various punk/hardcore/metal scenes I believe. When I grew up in Israel in the 80's, when the trends were mainly imported from the UK and Europe, most Wire fans never even heard about PF, and if they did they didn't like it 'cause it was 'too punky'. giluz - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......") MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >> Oh, and you can turn them garish colours and call them "M&M"'s , but to me, they're "Treets" with cheaper , nastier choc. Harrumph.<< Yep. Peanut Treets became M&Ms; American chocolate (or "candy") is vile. Ever eaten a Hershey bar? Yeuch. Almost no taste at all. Chocolate Treets had earlier become, for no apparent reason, Minstrels. Whatever happened to the toffee Treets? Those could dissolve tooth enamel in seconds. Nope, never had the dubious pleasure of a Hershey Bar, but I suspect it won't be long before ASDA / Wal-Mart start stocking them. Given the above comments, I'm not going to be too zealous about searching them out. They've already started flogging "Reece's cups" which IIRC originate in the US, and are so-oo sweet and glutinous, I suspect they could turn a litmus paper red, even *in* the packet. 'Toffee Treets' still do feature in packs of 'Revels', IIRC. Excepting they seem to be so constituted that on cold days, they're also so rock-hard they could *chip* tooth enamel before solvent action starts, adding to their 'dentist's wallet'-friendly credentials. Would that constitute a 'toofa', in the vernacular? Suspect they still feature in the relaunched Revels, which are marketed using a TV ad that parodies the harrowing Walken/DeNiro Saigon russian roulette scene from The Deer Hunter. Uh ?? Erm...... Not seen it. Now, I may have my 'Sunday morning vacuum' head on at the moment, but I can't see any way in which chewy, icky sweets can be promoted by the above scenario:- unless he's going to ram a half-chewed one up the barrel. Maybe that *could* stop a .44 slug in it's tracks.............. >Good charlie down the ad agency that day, obviously. Ah. Now it all makes sense.... ;-) - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:10:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......") dpbailey@att.net wrote: > Ah, but Snickers was the original name for the bar (named after the > inventor's dog, IIRC) but it was perceived as too silly for sensible Britain, "sensible" britain, whose every other word occasionally seems to be pure baby-talk (i.e. "prezzies" for presents, "hollies" for holidays, etc)? *harumph* No:- as for "pressies" that's teenage scouse-talk, which has not a lot of points of contact with the English language..........(probably the 3rd most incomprehensible regional UK dialect after 1) Geordie and 2) Glaswegian.) Anyone that can grasp the meaning of anyone speaking those variations *first time* has my admiration for their linguistic gifts . In all my days I've never heard the term "Hollies" used. Presumably you've never had a listen to 'teenage fratspeak', else you'd realise that the under 25's speak a dialect all of their own the world over, probably intending to exclude the rest of the demographic from their exchanges. Carting a recording device to a seaside haunt next Spring Break would possibly be instructive................... - --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1"/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:17:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] harrumph he sed............... Well, yes and no. There's two varieties of M & M's over here: one is the afforesaid "Peanut Treets" clone, and the other is the 'Smarties' clone, (with the addition of an electric blue one), again with cheaper, nastier choc. The difference is, "Smarties" continue to have an independant existence still, (even though they're about to do away with the traditional cylindrical tube for an octagonal number !! Not that I've ever eaten the tube, you understand) whereas "Treets" (of which I used to scoff vast numbers) have totally disappeared. :-( Ari wrote: >>Oh, and you can turn them garish colours and call them "M&M"'s , but to me, they're "Treets" with cheaper , nastier choc. Harrumph.<< Shouldn't that be 'smarties?.............. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2"/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:33:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "Chairs" reissue booklet & THAT piano solo (OM) Tim wrote: Derek White wrote: > Firstly:- although this may well be common knowledge , it seems > reasonable to conclude the band thought "Chairs Missing" their best > work, which is pretty much what I think, and I know there are others > here for whom that is the case, too. I'd say so. You get all sides of Wire, great punk songs, great pop songs, great weird songs and lots of really noisy bits. I'm sure I'm not alone in being a tad disappointed that Wire Mk3 used Pink Flag as a reference point and not CM or 154. Absolutely. Nail, hit squarely on head. All the best elements of PF are reduced like a good stock, and served up in joyously raucous ditties like 'Too late'. Clearly, the experiments with texture and mood are there "Like a Heartbeat", "Marooned", and the rather odd little interludes ("I feel mysterious today", "Practice Makes Perfect" with it's kind of atonal bassline weaving about and the rubber-room laughter ), and the 1min 54 of sublime pop that is 'Outdoor Miner'. All told, a collection of work that is damn hard to beat, and although subsequent albums for the most part all had their moments, none were as complete, although as a slab of pop perfection, I reckon "Map Ref...." just shades it over O.M. >NME, Record Collector and a few other reviews seem to still be stuck on >Pink Flag as the classic album...perhaps thats the one most in tune with >the current Artic/Kaiser/Dirty Pretty Things..or maybe the lazy hacks >couldn't be bothered unwrapping the other 2 discs. Yeah, sadly the press always have that tendency when looking back to try and relate it to current flavours of the month, no matter *how* forced the comparison. >The piano solo basically is evidence of how well EMI understood the band >at the time, and it that sense its relevant. Actually I quite like both >versions, and its a pointer to the commercial sounding records like >Eardrum Buzz and Kidney Bingoes...I think Wire clearly fancied >corrupting the charts as well as the bedrooms of new wave/indie kids. Yes , and it's sad that the elongated OM was a victim it seems of a clampdown on Hyping, else they might hve largely succeeded. - --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:37:33 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......") - -------------- Original message from Derek White : -------------- > dpbailey@att.net wrote: > Ah, but Snickers was the original name for the bar > (named after the > > inventor's dog, IIRC) but it was perceived as too silly for sensible Britain, > > "sensible" britain, whose every other word occasionally seems to be pure > baby-talk (i.e. "prezzies" for presents, "hollies" for holidays, etc)? > > *harumph* > No:- as for "pressies" that's teenage scouse-talk, which has not a lot of > points of contact with the English language..........(probably the 3rd most > incomprehensible regional UK dialect after 1) Geordie and 2) Glaswegian.) > > Anyone that can grasp the meaning of anyone speaking those variations *first > time* has my admiration for their linguistic gifts . > > > In all my days I've never heard the term "Hollies" used. > > Presumably you've never had a listen to 'teenage fratspeak', else you'd > realise that the under 25's speak a dialect all of their own the world over, > probably intending to exclude the rest of the demographic from their exchanges. > > Carting a recording device to a seaside haunt next Spring Break would possibly > be instructive................... problem being, the woman whose usage (via email) introduced me to "hollies" is probably about my age -- mid-40s. dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:56:01 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......") had a couple just an hour or so ago -- guess it's a matter of what one is used to & what one grew up with. reese's has somewhat recently come out with a "double chocolate" (i think they call it) version, btw, that makes the original look like a block of tofu in comparison. dan They've already > started flogging "Reece's cups" which IIRC originate in the US, and are so-oo > sweet and glutinous, I suspect they could turn a litmus paper red, even *in* the > packet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:32:48 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: [idealcopy] the ideal smartie... WAAAAAAAAAAY OT! Smarties = YUCK! (although the tube was cool) M&Ms = YUM!!! no peanuts, no almonds, no peanut butter. just plain. why did they make the ugly blue variety??? wnd3 NP: Depeche Mode remasters - --- Derek White wrote: > Well, yes and no. > > There's two varieties of M & M's over here: one is > the afforesaid "Peanut Treets" clone, and the other > is the 'Smarties' clone, (with the addition of an > electric blue one), again with cheaper, nastier > choc. > > The difference is, "Smarties" continue to have an > independant existence still, (even though they're > about to do away with the traditional cylindrical > tube for an octagonal number !! Not that I've ever > eaten the tube, you understand) whereas "Treets" > (of which I used to scoff vast numbers) have totally > disappeared. :-( > > Ari wrote: > >>Oh, and you can turn them garish colours and > call > them "M&M"'s , but to me, they're "Treets" with > cheaper , nastier choc. Harrumph.<< > > Shouldn't that be 'smarties?.............. > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ > countries for just 2"/min with Yahoo! Messenger with > Voice. > My musik? http://www.myspace.com/elektrolad My dj mixes http://www.musicv2.com/artist/elektrolad -OR- visit my webpages for old music downloads: http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ http://home.earthlink.net/~2signs/ http://home.netcom.com/~keepleft/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:04:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] the accent on accents................ >>No:- as for "pressies" that's teenage scouse-talk, which has not a lot of points of contact with the English language..........(probably the 3rd most incomprehensible regional UK dialect after 1)Geordie and 2)Glaswegian.)<< and what about the 'Brummie' accent ar kid? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:54:15 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the ideal smartie... WAAAAAAAAAAY OT! In a message dated 4/11/06 1:41:44 PM, xj23@yahoo.com writes: > Smarties = YUCK! (although the tube was cool) > M&Ms = YUM!!! > > no peanuts, no almonds, no peanut butter. just plain. > why did they make the ugly blue variety??? > i know. the light brown ones were my favorite. i do love peanut M&Ms though. - -paul c.d. The Happy Apple Rock 'n Roll Circus comes to town! http://www.jazzatdetour.com http://www.geocities.com/eardrumbuz/happyapple ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:50:00 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] CBGB's In a message dated 4/10/06 9:38:07 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > > As I understand it, the radio show isn't actually a live performance in > front of an audience at CBGBs, but a separate recording in controlled > conditiions > (either at the club or in a nearby radio studio?) > > Kevin's book says they played five sets over four nights - 14, 15 (2 > shows), > 20 and 21 July. So maybe the radio set was designed to promote the second > set of shows? Making 18/7 the recording date, and 28/7 the broadcast date?? > the idea about the broadcast date sounds reasonable, but i don't recall the wpix live broadcasts ever being especially set up for that purpose. i may be wrong, but i remember them just being broadcasts of live shows at the venues. WNEW also aired live shows at that time, and was right next to WPIX on the dial, so i may be getting a bit confused. anyway, point is it's still possible that one of the dates is off. - -paul c.d. The Happy Apple Rock 'n Roll Circus comes to town! http://www.jazzatdetour.com http://www.geocities.com/eardrumbuz/happyapple ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:30:43 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......") > MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >> Oh, and you can turn them garish colours and call them "M&M"'s , but to me, they're "Treets" with cheaper , nastier choc. Harrumph.<< > > > Yep. Peanut Treets became M&Ms; American chocolate (or "candy") is vile. Ever eaten a Hershey bar? Yeuch. Almost no taste at all. Chocolate Treets had earlier become, for no apparent reason, Minstrels. Whatever happened to the toffee Treets? Those could dissolve tooth enamel in seconds. Shit. What have I started?!! 1. Texan Bars are now back ltd edition. ("A mans gotta chew, what a mans gotta chew") 2. I've never heard the term 'hollies' either, other than the Manc Beat band, though I must confess we do use hols and prezzies in these parts. 3. A far more interesting 'cultural' difference between Brits and Americans was just discussed on kids science programme, Brainiac. Apparently, eating asparagus makes some people's wee smell awful. This effects 50% of British people, and 90% of Amrericans. So just remember, you US IC-ers. The next time you have a go at us, remember, the chances are your wee smells worse than ours.* So there!! ; ) * non-asparagus eaters need not reply ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:50:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Box Set http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/news/06-04/10.shtml#wire its so obvious it is true j - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:39:09 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......") > 2. I've never heard the term 'hollies' either, other than the Manc Beat > band, though I must confess we do use hols and prezzies in these parts. having started this in the first place, in retrospect i must admit there's every good chance i'm misremembering "hollies" for "hols," though even so my original grumping about baby-talk would still, i believe, apply. dan, still bereft (as i wrote, i believe, yesterday to mr bursa, inadvertantly off-list) 30-plus years after the fact over the disappearance of a fondly remembered candy bar from either hershey or nestle that consisted of layers of milk, dark & i think white chocolate ... guaranteed to rot a tooth at 50 paces ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:45:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......") Apparently, eating asparagus makes some people's wee smell awful. This effects 50% of British people, and 90% of Amrericans. I didn't know that this *didn't* affect some people!?! Doesn't smell awful, just asparagussy ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:02:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Choc-stock (was "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......") dan, still bereft (as i wrote, i believe, yesterday to mr bursa, inadvertantly off-list) 30-plus years after the fact over the disappearance of a fondly remembered candy bar from either hershey or nestle that consisted of layers of milk, dark & i think white chocolate ... guaranteed to rot a tooth at 50 paces I do vaguely recall something like that being sold here - but certainly it wasn't a popular brand. Always been partial to plain chocolate rather than milk - the arrival of the dark chocolatre Kit-Kat has been a most welcome addition to the world of confectionery. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:45:00 +0200 From: "Bart van Damme" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Cool Cash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZLEEaTPKyU&search=Johnny%20Cash ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #97 ******************************