From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #93 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, April 8 2006 Volume 09 : Number 093 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] liars ["Bart van Damme" ] [idealcopy] O.T: The war is a lie............. [Ari Subject: [idealcopy] liars a new artshow on dutch telly last sunday called picabia. not bad, vivian westwood along with liars in the first episode... about their british tour. never thought singer angus andrews to be so charmingly insecure. on account of their music I expected some sort of birthdayparty-era paranoid nick cave. looks a bit like ruud van nistelrooy too doesn't he? bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 03:02:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: The war is a lie............. got this from Billy........... http://tinyurl.com/es3ob appologies to those that aren't interested (?) A Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:42:24 EDT From: VltCrumble@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V9 #92 Please, someone find out her telephone number quickly!! I have some work for her...!! What is actually the odd thing to me, is the strange bunch of master-criminal prison inmates that have been imprisoned here from throughout the galaxy (as seen in many Superman comics) that are watching her perform in this alternate universe space prison gymnasium. Even the notorious "Kris Kringle" can be viewed at left right before the film ends... - - Robert Jaz In a message dated 04/07/2006 4:39:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Liquid Lady........... oh boy......... http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/liquidlady.html Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:26:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Another couple of quid in royalties for our boys (maybe) ? Andrew Lumbard wrote: Derek asked:- ........................... Anyone here know the threshold, (in terms of a sample's duration), after which you collect a royalty? Don't know the answer to either, but Colin mentioned on Sunday, that his main source of income last year was from Three Girl Rhumba being used in the H&M tv advert across Europe. That's an interesting stat.......I *had* suspected that such payments, where the material is used in ads , promos, trailers etc *mught* be lucrative, I never suspected it would outweigh payments from *all* record sales !! That being so, I hope they're aware of Channel 5's useage. Mind you, they probably don't need to be:- Ch 5 being a pukka organisation, they probably fill out their forms from the Mechanical Copyright Protection Society diligently:- thereafter, I *think* the recovery of royalties is fairly automatic. Not having "Pink Flag" in front of me, I don't know who'll get what from the split:- writers get a bigger slice than those merely performing, II., but I can't recall who's credited with writing what elements of PF.................... >Listed here as the Klonhertz version >http://www.commercialbreaksandbeats.co.uk/comp.asp?compAlpha=h Wow ! I didn't know about this site. Is there *any* info in the known universe that isn't available somehere on the web? >btw, Derek,...."Strange" Of course it is. I'm embarrassingly crap at recalling titles. Particularly on albums with such a multitude of tracks.... ;-) Failing synapses, y'know. DW - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:35:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......" Again, that's an interesting stat regarding the relative sales of 'Pink Flag' in 1978, and 'Send' in 2003, although not entirely anexpected, I think. By 2003, the band's place in the musical pantheon was well established, and everyone and their auntie had been name-checking them (or indeed plagiarising them), so I imagine a few sales were generated among the curious. Also, the reveiws for 'Send' were, IIRC, universally positive ? And then there's the factor of it being a some years since the last recorded utterance from the guys , during which time their stock has arguably risen. However, that it was accomplished without any help at all from a major label (or distributor?) is pretty impressive. Wonder how many of those were on-line sales via PinkFlag / Posteverything ? Curious Derek.................. Andrew Lumbard wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/shows/freakzone/ Anybody else hear Colin's interview on Sunday? It's about an hour and half into the show and lasts for half hour, for those wanting to use the 'Listen Again'. The Fifteenth gets cut short at the end due to his gratuitous plugging of PF product! Interesting fact - 'Send sold more copies in 2003, than Pink Flag in 1978' AndyL - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:52:08 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......" On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 09:35:53AM -0700, Derek White wrote: > However, that it was accomplished without any help at all from a > major label (or distributor?) is pretty impressive. Cargo handled distribution, I think - they were certainly with one of the bigger indie distributors. Getting distribution is the hardest problem going in trying to release a record right now. It's also easy to drastically overestimate how many copies an average record sells; I've got the math to hand, and it's not particularly pretty. Selling 100 copies of a record's a fairly substantial achievement, and I'd *hope* Wire were doing many tens or hundreds times that. > Wonder how many of those were on-line sales via PinkFlag / Posteverything ? That'd be very interesting to know, but that's probably commercially sensitive - so it'd be rude to ask. - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | http://covertmusic.com/ | work: adw27@cam.ac.uk "with your feet in the air and your head on the ground" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:59:24 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Another couple of quid in royalties for our boys (maybe) ? On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 09:26:38AM -0700, Derek White wrote: > Not having "Pink Flag" in front of me, I don't know who'll get > what from the split:- writers get a bigger slice than those > merely performing, II., but I can't recall who's credited with > writing what elements of PF.................... If I remember rightly, which I may not, all of Wire's catalogue up to but not including Mk II is published by Carlin Music Corp, and Pink Flag (the album) is credited to Newman/Lewis/Gilbert/Gotobed on every track except "Feeling Called Love" - at least on the sleeve, but no doubt the band had its own internal arrangements to deal with publishing royalties. I can't remember what the deal is with Chairs Missing, but tracks on 154 are definitely credited to the individual authors - Map Ref, for instance, is credited Newman/Lewis/Gilbert. Mechanicals to performers are handled by PPL/P@MRA/AURA in the UK, I believe, with reciprocal arrangements handling the other European rights agencies. I don't know if this includes sync fees - I was under the impression TV sync rights were negotiated individually, rather than the flat-rate mechanicals you get for radio/club play or if your video turns up on MTV. I could well be wrong on that, though. Rights, and rights agencies, are all unutterably byzantine, fiddly, and annoying. Andrew - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | http://covertmusic.com/ | work: adw27@cam.ac.uk "with your feet in the air and your head on the ground" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:39:11 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......" yeah, but i'll wager pink flag sold more copies in the all-important magnolia, arkansas, market in 1978 than send did 25 years later. though i guess it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that some unusually hip kid at my alma mater, southern arkansas university, might've picked up a copy of the latter ... dan, who's pretty sure he procured his copy of the former at the same time (& from the same establishment, which threw in a copy of the stranglers' black & white, iirc) he bought the stereo (minus cassette deck & dvd player, of course) he's still using today ... > Interesting fact - 'Send sold more copies in 2003, than Pink Flag in 1978' > > > > AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:22:11 -0700 From: "Doug Wittner" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] "With the Pinkness of Hindsight......" i was first introduced to Wire when i picked up The Ideal Copy (cassette, of course) at a tiny store in Russellville, Arkansas soon after it came out. so yeah, i would wager the Arkansas Wire market is one worth pursuing! On 4/7/06, dpbailey@att.net wrote: > yeah, but i'll wager pink flag sold more copies in the all-important magnolia, arkansas, market in 1978 than send did 25 years later. though i guess it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that some unusually hip kid at my alma mater, southern arkansas university, might've picked up a copy of the latter ... > > dan, who's pretty sure he procured his copy of the former at the same time (& from the same establishment, which threw in a copy of the stranglers' black & white, iirc) he bought the stereo (minus cassette deck & dvd player, of course) he's still using today ... > > > Interesting fact - 'Send sold more copies in 2003, than Pink Flag in 1978' > > > > > > > > AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:02:34 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Another couple of quid in royalties for our boys (maybe) ? I've had a quick look at the reissues in the shops and there's a bit of a rethink on the writing credits, with the majority being designated to C Newman, with the lyrics being credited separately. I think The Commercial is credited to Gilbert/Grey/Lewis. Re the absence of bonus tracks debate; I can see the point (and also the 'off button' argument) but weren't the EP tracks part of the original 154 statement in some respect? More of an argument for including them I'd have thought. Out of curiosity, are there any figures for the sales of various Wire products? I noticed Virgin are stocking the reissues at about #16 a chuck. Anybody know if Lewis has any recording projects on the go at the moment? Ian B - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Walkingshaw > > writing what elements of PF.................... > > If I remember rightly, which I may not, all of Wire's catalogue up to > but not including Mk II is published by Carlin Music Corp, and Pink > Flag (the album) is credited to Newman/Lewis/Gilbert/Gotobed on every > track except "Feeling Called Love" - at least on the sleeve, but no > doubt the band had its own internal arrangements to deal with publishing > royalties. > > I can't remember what the deal is with Chairs Missing, but tracks on 154 > are definitely credited to the individual authors - Map Ref, for instance, > is credited Newman/Lewis/Gilbert. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:25:51 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: The war is a lie............. I really think everyone needs to have an open mind to this. wnd3 - --- Ari wrote: > got this from Billy........... > http://tinyurl.com/es3ob > > appologies to those that aren't interested (?) A > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > My musik? http://www.myspace.com/elektrolad My dj mixes http://www.musicv2.com/artist/elektrolad -OR- visit my webpages for old music downloads: http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ http://home.earthlink.net/~2signs/ http://home.netcom.com/~keepleft/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #93 ******************************