From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #51 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, February 22 2006 Volume 09 : Number 051 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Rare Wire ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] Rare Wire [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Rare Wire [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Rare Wire [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] 30/60 [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Another the reissue [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] Another the reissue ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag is number 83...XTC [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Rare Wire [dpbailey@att.net] Re: [idealcopy] Rare Wire promos [Monochromatic Man ] Re: [idealcopy] Rare Wire promos [dpbailey@att.net] [idealcopy] Essential existential [Fergus Kelly ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:30:18 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rare Wire >>>>somebody was selling a set of 3 CDR's of the new reissues on ebay. no proper artwork<<<< Report them and the item will be removed from sale. Does nobody any favours. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:53:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] 30/60 Mark said: The most recent line, from late last year, was "Bruce has resigned, but his resignation has not been accepted". Certainly no bridges are being burned unnecessarily, but I wouldn't hold my breath. A shame - some live activity to accompany the reissues would be welcome.... ((( ...and to celebrate their 30th anniversary... and Bruce's 60th... Fergus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:09:56 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rare Wire >>Has anybody got a copy of this? Wire - LP, Honi soit - Live 1979, new vinyl Live from the Rockpalast, Germany Feb. 14th 1979 plus 2 x 7inch tracks from 1979.<< Yes. It's rubbish - don't buy it. Shoddily produced bootleg. Shit sound, shit packaging. Just buy the 'On the Box' DVD/CD double if you want Rockpalast in all its glory! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:11:00 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rare Wire >>I bet some 'enterprising' person has lifted the soundtrack from 'On the box' and put it to vinyl...... the dates are the same. A<< Not so. It predates OTB and is taken from an old tape bootleg. It's not even the ccomplete gig. Absolute crap. Avoid. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:13:21 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rare Wire >>>>somebody was selling a set of 3 CDR's of the new reissues on ebay. no proper artwork<<<< Report them and the item will be removed from sale. Does nobody any favours.<< They were promos - so nothing illegal. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:29:10 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 30/60 >>((( ...and to celebrate their 30th anniversary... and Bruce's 60th...<< So that's either May 18 or December 2 at the Barbican then. Maybe not invite Jake & Dinos this time ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:35:48 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Another the reissue Well, that's a clincher for me, at least in terms of buying "Chairs Missing" a THIRD time: as I might have mentioned here before, that was always a runner as a minute but visible scratch on the 'label' side laquer seems to have rendered "French Film Blurred" incapable of negotiating past Vs 2 ****....maybe I should wear cotton gloves and cover my hi-fi in cotton wool ? "154" might get snapped up , too, despite still being pristine (to my knowledge), but does anyone else think that the returns of better sound aren't so....um....vital with Pink Flag? A certain scuzziness isn't out of place , and I have "Dot Dash" / "Options R" a couple of times already....................... **** And speaking of the label side of CD's generally:- Grr ! Why isn't *that* side more durable, if it's innermost layer is needed to reflect the laser?? Or is my disc player just abberrant? The collision with the amp top that caused it wouldn't have left a fruitfly with a headache, so the disc wasn't exactly subjected to radical abuse. It joins a small pile of CD's with similar 'cosmetic' damage that either skip or hang at labelside imperfections......."perfect sound forever" my arse, Phillips......! Fergus Kelly wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:46:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: [idealcopy] reissued again So what else (besides pristine sound) should convince me to buy these again? Any extras? ((( No extra tracks, but presented in digipacks with 12 page booklets likely to contain unseen archive photos. Not exactly a clincher in terms of shelling out again. Perhaps they're aimed more at newer audiences and completists... Fergus - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:03:57 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Another the reissue > **** And speaking of the label side of CD's generally:- Grr ! Why isn't > *that* side more durable, if it's innermost layer is needed to reflect the > laser?? Or is my disc player just abberrant? The collision with the amp > top that caused it wouldn't have left a fruitfly with a headache, so the > disc wasn't exactly subjected to radical abuse. It joins a small pile of > CD's with similar 'cosmetic' damage that either skip or hang at labelside > imperfections......."perfect sound forever" my arse, Phillips......! > Yeah - that was always the weak link with the CD specification. The label side is just a thin lacquer coating over the disc's "pits" and aluminum layers. I've never been exactly sure why they did it, but my guess is that Phillips was trying to save some manufacturing costs. Also - they had been sorta burned with LaserDisc manufacturing. LaserDiscs were two sided - like a vinyl record. If you remember, just as CD came out, there was a huge controversy about LaserDisc "rot" - which was caused by improper cleaning of the disc halves before they were glued together. They were probably looking for a safe way to make discs without using glue. I'm certain they had no idea that CDs were going to become the portable medium that they've become. Since the discs were so expensive when they first came out, you tended to treat them very gingerly. ^_^ Still - I ruinined a couple of tracks exactly as you described - my first generation CD player would sometimes freak out when I was closing the tray and scratch the disc as it loaded. *sigh* The good news is that DVD doesn't have this problem. Even the single sided DVDs have two "discs" of material - the pits are in the center of the two disc halves, not at the edge. (Like the original LaserDisc, but without the strange glue that held them together.) That does mean that the combination CD/DVDs might be a little more durable than a standard CD. However, since the distance between the outer surface and inner surface is exactly half, that also means that an outer scratch will cover more pits. DVD uses a different error correction scheme - that's why the scratches don't affect them as badly - so that will make them a little more susceptible on the "thick" side. *sigh* I should just go to work, huh? ^_^ Cheers, Paul-disc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:40:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rare Wire But it is technically illegal to sell promos. - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > >>>>somebody was selling a set of 3 CDR's of the new > reissues on ebay. no > proper artwork<<<< > > Report them and the item will be removed from sale. > Does nobody any > favours.<< > > > They were promos - so nothing illegal. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:46:27 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag is number 83...XTC In a message dated 1/28/06 11:11:26 PM, davidmack@gmail.com writes: > Tim's posts are making me wax nostalgic > Two more banner shows were XTC supporting Drums and Wires and Black Sea > The reports of Andy Partridge's 'nervous breakdown' met no surprise. > It's a wonder his head didn't fucking launch into orbit. > Incredible energy flying in every direction. > If only it could have been harnessed for good... > me too. happy i at least got to see them then. though it woulda been nice if they coulda continued touring. there's quite a bit of reading available online, if anyone's lookin to catch up on xtc. i found this on the subject: Listener: Now I've got a delicate question to ask--and if this is something you don't want to discuss... Partridge: No, I'll answer anything. Listener: Hearing these live recordings, has it whetted your appetite to play in front of an audience at all? Is there any chance of... Partridge: No, I really think I've got that out of my system. I did too much touring, it really shook me up. And when I started to get panic attracts on stage, that really finished me off. And I felt, No, this is not for me. And I'm glad we did stop. Because I think our music got broader, and a lot better. And I think if we'd have continued touring in the way we were doing, I would have thrown in the towel and said, "No, I don't want to do this anymore." But, it hasn't whetted my appetite to say, "Yeah, wow, I must get up there and shake myself about!" [laughs] I don't feel that these days. I mean, there's a lot of things I want to do music-wise. But, none of them are of the rock 'n' roll, shaking yourself about onstage variety. Listener: Fair enough. Partridge: I think that's a young man's game, to be frank. I think it's best done by young gangs with guitars. and here's a link, from a really nice xtc site, to lots of xtc talk on the net: http://chalkhills.org/articles/ - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:00:10 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rare Wire which means most of us (me very much included -- i'm sure i've got hundreds of the things, including an alabama 3 promo en route from the uk even as i type, thanks to ebay) are guilty of theft by receiving, or something? dan - -------------- Original message from Monochromatic Man : -------------- > But it is technically illegal to sell promos. > > > --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > >>>>somebody was selling a set of 3 CDR's of the new > > reissues on ebay. no > > proper artwork<<<< > > > > Report them and the item will be removed from sale. > > Does nobody any > > favours.<< > > > > > > They were promos - so nothing illegal. > > > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:38:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rare Wire promos Ususally promos are marked "property of___record company" I do not know if a record company has ever exercised the right to ask for a promo to be returned. You can own it, just can't sell it. These are technically loaned by the record company for promotional purposes. Playing a promo at home or in your car really doesn't promote very much unless to play it very loud and one of your neighbors buys it afterwards. (my neighbors would not) A few months ago I purchased the Kraftwerk 2004 remastered box set. Kraftwerk never issued the remasters commercially. I paid over $300 for them. I am sure Kraftwerk and EMI would care to receive some of the profits. I don't think I would ever give them up. Yes, it is pristine sound. Best you can get from a cd in 2004. I have thousands of promo marked items. Sometimes that is the only way to get something. (I do hate when I buy something and it is a promo when I was expecting a 'factory issued' item.) Buying "cd acetates(?)", cdrs or other quality items that can be burned at home is asking for trouble. Who knows where they came from? Remember the Fischerspooner 'The 15th' cd acetate a few weeks back? wnd3 - --- dpbailey@att.net wrote: > which means most of us (me very much included -- i'm > sure i've got hundreds of the things, including an > alabama 3 promo en route from the uk even as i type, > thanks to ebay) are guilty of theft by receiving, or > something? > > dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:26:16 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rare Wire promos - -------------- Original message from Monochromatic Man : -------------- > Ususally promos are marked "property of___record > company" I do not know if a record company has ever > exercised the right to ask for a promo to be returned. > > You can own it, just can't sell it. my point, though, is whether you can (legally/ethically/whatever -ly) *buy* it, insofar as it takes two -- a seller *&* a buyer -- to effect a sale. that's how i obtained almost all of mine. probably the same is true for you. dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:52:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Essential existential More coverage of the Wireissues in The Wire's Boomerang section, with an interesting description by Keith Moline of Graham's presence in 154: "The looming bass of Graham Lewis has become the dominant instrumental voice, shadowed magnificently on "A Touching Display" by guest Tim Souster's keening viola. Lewis takes many of the vocal leads aswell, his melodramatic, slightly plummy baritone suggesting a Kevin Ayers dabbling with Nietzsche rather than Gurdjieff." He goes on to say (about 154): "Each successive track rewrites the rulebook afresh, which perhaps explains the album's reputation in some quarters as disjointed and pretentious. Ignore the naysayers - it's a classic." Nail. Hammer. Collision with precision Mr Moline... Fergus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:52:53 +0100 From: "Bart van Damme" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] name the song Mazzy Star's Hope Sandoval is hispanic. Dunno if she also sang in spanish though... Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #51 ******************************