From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #27 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, January 28 2006 Volume 09 : Number 027 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] More Wire pimpage [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] Item number: 4827166923 ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag is number 83... [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Poster..... (glad I'm not Brun [Ari Subject: [idealcopy] More Wire pimpage Someone sent this to Wireviews, and I thought it might be of interest to someone: - --- I don't know if this is of interest to you but I recently got a poster from eBay.co.uk "PINK FLAG - THE ALBUM AND THE TOUR", measuring 30" x 20". It was in mint condition and I thought I'd mention it to members of the Wire fan community as there is another copy available currently. The seller is 'myrecordcollection'. - --- Craig - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.com News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:15:12 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Item number: 4827166923 Cheers Craig. Be interesting to see what this goes for. There must only be a handful of posters in this condition left so I'd think that anyone who gets it for, say around 30gbp, is getting a bit of bargain. I won't be bidding... the girlfriend wouldn't let me put it up! Bruno >>>>>Someone sent this to Wireviews, and I thought it might be of interest to someone: - --- I don't know if this is of interest to you but I recently got a poster from eBay.co.uk "PINK FLAG - THE ALBUM AND THE TOUR", measuring 30" x 20". It was in mint condition and I thought I'd mention it to members of the Wire fan community as there is another copy available currently. The seller is 'myrecordcollection'. - --- Craig ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:36:42 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: [idealcopy] apropos of nothing ... while nearing the end of my drive to work this a.m., over the radio comes a very catchy song that i'd never heard before in any version, which prompted me to strain to make out enough of the lyrics to guess at a title. hmmm ... "whiskey in the jar," maybe? a lyrics check on google confirmed it. now, how in hell did i reach the advanced age of 46 & never hear *that* one? i mean, christ, it's an old irish song, innit? & thin lizzy covered it on jailbreak (which i used to own ... may still, though i sort of doubt it). & metallica covered it on the garage days 2cd, which i own, & which probably was the one i heard 45 minutes ago. & probably i've got other versions, too (*surely* shane macgowan &/or the pogues have covered it at one time or other). that'll teach me not to play my albums all the way through, i guess. *sigh* (i'm sort of reminded of how i never heard "my generation" till it came over the p/a at the plasma center in tempe when i was flat on my back with a needle draining the stuff from me circa '82, about 16 years after the single came out ...) dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:43:36 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Item number: 4827166923 That's nice - might have a little snipe at that one ;-) Mark >>Be interesting to see what this goes for. There must only be a handful of posters in this condition left so I'd think that anyone who gets it for, say around 30gbp, is getting a bit of bargain. I won't be bidding... the girlfriend wouldn't let me put it up!<< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:56:19 -0000 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] apropos of nothing ... > now, how in hell did i reach the advanced age of 46 & never hear *that* one? i mean, christ, it's an old irish song, innit? & thin lizzy covered it on jailbreak (which i used to own ... may still, though i sort of doubt it). & metallica covered it on the garage days 2cd, which i own, & which probably was the one i heard 45 minutes ago. & probably i've got other versions, too (*surely* shane macgowan &/or the pogues have covered it at one time or other). The Thin Lizzy version (Circa '73 with Eric Bell on guitar) was way before Jailbreak and not on that album at all. At least not in the UK. So maybe you hadn't heard it after all! ; ) K. np Ministry - land of rape and honey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:58:16 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] apropos of nothing ... right you are -- looks like it was non-lp. jailbreak popped up when i did the search ... dan - -------------- Original message from "Keith A" : -------------- > > now, how in hell did i reach the advanced age of 46 & never hear *that* > one? i mean, christ, it's an old irish song, innit? & thin lizzy covered it > on jailbreak (which i used to own ... may still, though i sort of doubt it). > & metallica covered it on the garage days 2cd, which i own, & which probably > was the one i heard 45 minutes ago. & probably i've got other versions, too > (*surely* shane macgowan &/or the pogues have covered it at one time or > other). > > The Thin Lizzy version (Circa '73 with Eric Bell on guitar) was way before > Jailbreak and not on that album at all. At least not in the UK. So maybe you > hadn't heard it after all! ; ) > > K. > > > np Ministry - land of rape and honey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:06:15 -0000 From: "Keith A" Subject: [idealcopy] Pink Flag is number 83... ...in this weeks NME's Top 100 British Albums Ever. Which means it's official. It's not as good as The Libertines Up The Bracket (number 10)! The Stone Roses are number one. Oh my ribs... Keith np Wire - coatings ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:11:26 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag is number 83... 2 things i thought were of great "interest" in this space-filler (sorry " highly interesting cultural statement") firstly , the arctic monkeys album (unreleased when the paper hit the stands) is the fifth best album of all time. those NME guys are either supremely perceptive or supremely stupid (discuss). secondly , very interesting to see the placing of ok computer. in about 2000/2001 this was regularly being voted best album of all time , whilst i'm not calling it a turkey it did seem ludicrous to rate it that highly. its already slipped to #35 , which seems like a remarkably rapid fall from grace. post-punk albums don't do very well at all in this chart , i thought the franz effect might have worked wonders but i guess if the NME really rate oasis and the libertines so highly you're probably wasting your breath. sit back and get thoroughly bored of the monkeys and the ordinary boys i guess , looks like where 2006 will be at. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:19:28 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag is number 83... >>secondly , very interesting to see the placing of ok computer. in about 2000/2001 this was regularly being voted best album of all time , whilst i'm not calling it a turkey it did seem ludicrous to rate it that highly. its already slipped to #35 , which seems like a remarkably rapid fall from grace.<< I think that's more a reflection of the fact that it's an NME chart - OKC toppped the Q top 100 last month. NME wants to be down with the kids, hence unreleased albums and Pete Doherty's latest crack-addled ramblings gain top scores. Radiohead are sooo 20th century. In time, Kid A will rise these carts while OKC will fall.... but not that far. >>post-punk albums don't do very well at all in this chart , i thought the franz effect might have worked wonders<< NME's staff of 15-year-olds just haven't heard the stuff. So the XTC tribute act Futurehaeads get in, but XTC themselves don't... Context, context, context.... >> but i guess if the NME really rate oasis and the libertines so highly you're probably wasting your breath. sit back and get thoroughly bored of the monkeys and the ordinary boys i guess , looks like where 2006 will be at. p<< I fear you're right. Plus a lot more johnny-come-lately 'angular' post-punkers. There's life in those old Talking Heads riffs yet.. Though the jangle-pop C86 revival will be upon us too, pop kids. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:27:37 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] on Bruno,........... >>I won't be bidding... the girlfriend wouldn't let me put it up! Bruno<< REALLY Bruno, you should keep your sex life to yourself.......... A Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:27:43 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag is number 83... In time, Kid A will rise these carts while OKC will fall.... but not that far. //// dunno , do radiohead mean anything to today's teens? can't see much evidence really. and if you don't bring future generations on board you end up with a dwindling fanbase of oldies..... only time will tell but i think OKC might be an "of its time" album rather than one thought of as an all time classic. NME's staff of 15-year-olds just haven't heard the stuff. So the XTC tribute act Futurehaeads get in, but XTC themselves don't... Context, context, context.... ////by any yardstick the futureheads album is not great , let alone a top album of all time. but did XTC really make a "all time classic album"? i know i'm not a fan , but i can't ever recall seeing them in one of these charts I fear you're right. Plus a lot more johnny-come-lately 'angular' post-punkers. There's life in those old Talking Heads riffs yet.. ////maybe the monkeys will sweep them all away like britpop did for all the brit-grunge. not such a bad thing maybe? crap like the departure and young knives we would be much better off without. though , thinking about it , if we now get a load of copycat arctic monkeys then we could be right back in the middle of some horrendous northside/northern uproar scene. Though the jangle-pop C86 revival will be upon us too, pop kids. ///paul morley in today's guardian reckons what we'll get is a revival of spangly 80's pop , his theory being that the boyband/talent show acts are so bad that kids will look at even things like stock aitken waterman as having merit. i think he might have been hanging out too much with richard and judy.........p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:43:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Poster..... (glad I'm not Brun I'm gonna get this (I hope) to go with my '04 Wire Australia tour poster........ A http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4827166923 Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:50:57 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag is number 83... > NME's staff of 15-year-olds just haven't heard the stuff. So the XTC > tribute > act Futurehaeads get in, but XTC themselves don't... Context, context, > context.... > > ////by any yardstick the futureheads album is not great , let alone a top > album of all time. but did XTC really make a "all time classic album"? i > know > i'm not a fan , but i can't ever recall seeing them in one of these > charts > > Well - I can't comment on charts in the British press, but from a relatively non-biased American perspective, I would think that Black Sea would be the "all time classic album". Skylarking would be a close second - allmusic.com rates it as their top pick - but to my ears, it's a little too fussy sometimes. It's kinda like the classic Sgt. Peppers vs. Revolver debate with the Beatles, I suppose. Cheers, Paul P.S. Much to my chagrin, I just realized I've never heard all of Drums And Wires. That might be another contender, based on the singles. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:29:12 +0000 From: Bunny Smedley Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag is number 83... ///paul morley in today's guardian reckons what we'll get is a revival of spangly 80's pop , his theory being that the boyband/talent show acts are so bad that kids will look at even things like stock aitken waterman as having merit. i think he might have been hanging out too much with richard and judy.........p You want to make something real ... you want to make a Yazz record. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:15:13 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag is number 83... On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 11:29:12PM +0000, Bunny Smedley wrote: > You want to make something real ... you want to make a Yazz record. The only way is up. - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | http://covertmusic.com/ | work: adw27@cam.ac.uk "oh why don't you don't you don't you / stay glued to your TV set?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:44:16 -0500 From: k erickson Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag is number 83... On Friday, Jan 27, 2006, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > Well - I can't comment on charts in the British press, but from a > relatively non-biased American perspective, I would think that Black > Sea would be the "all time classic album". Skylarking would be a > close second - allmusic.com rates it as their top pick - but to my > ears, it's a little too fussy sometimes. > > It's kinda like the classic Sgt. Peppers vs. Revolver debate with the > Beatles, I suppose. > > Cheers, > Paul > > P.S. Much to my chagrin, I just realized I've never heard all of > Drums And Wires. That might be another contender, based on the > singles. hey Paul. i think your judgement here is spot-on. Black Sea seems to be the pick among the cognoscenti in the US -- 'Dear God' might have been the biggest MTV moment for them, so Skylarking may have sold more. as for the Beatles, i will allow no debate. Revolver trumps Sgt Pepper (though the White Album is my fave). as has been mentioned before on the list, Drums & Wires is essential. particularly, you must hear the post-punk classic that is 'Complicated Game'! - -kristoph. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:55:04 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Pink Flag is number 83... >>>>>>did XTC really make a "all time classic album"?<<<<<<<<<<< I've seen English Settlement described as their best, but it's a while since I played a whole album. I do pick out favourite tracks from time to time... I think they would have been a hugely big band if they'd come along in these iPod times. B ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 04:26:48 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag is number 83... In a message dated 28/01/2006 09:20:54 GMT Standard Time, B.Clements@bepp.co.uk writes: I think they would have been a hugely big band if they'd come along in these iPod times. ////// is that a postmodern way of saying "they were a singles band who never did it over a whole album" ;-) ? p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #27 ******************************