From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #14 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, January 15 2006 Volume 09 : Number 014 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Ducan Sonic ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] not exactly comforting ... [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Copy control technology (was Classic Wire Remasters) ["Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Ducan Sonic - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Noorda > So my first bought CDs for 2006 arrived. And there is a good one to mention. The collaboration release of John Duncan with the Pan Sonic members Mika Vainio and Ilpo Vaisanen is great. The album is called Nine Suggestions< I saw Pan Sonic live at the Gateshead Sage last night and very good they were too, if with a somwehat restricted pallet (squally electronic noise, brutal dry electronic beat kicks in, Mika and Ilpo add layers of electronic noise over the top of it, piece ends in ordered chaos, new piece starts with similar arc) si/cut/db provided music in between the officially listed acts, and the talking was incessant! What is up with people at gigs? Even the guy at the mixing desk and his mate were at it! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:17:22 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] not exactly comforting ... I too have c.d-r's that go back pretty much since c.d'-r's hit the market, never had one fail through time only through mishandling, the reason the 'label side' isn't scratch-resist is, erm, well, you know, we all know. guess i was wrong on the 'sonic loss' bit (me? wrong? huh) darn error correction, mumble mumble. thanx Paul. A Monochromatic Man wrote: I have some cdrs that go back over six years and still play fine. I have them all stacked on spindles, some are in cases and some are in piles. I had two bad 50 packs a couple years back. I think both were Hypermedia. I know Robert got stuck with some of those. Most of my disc problems are burn related. Some older software was not compatible with every burner, slow pc, pilot error... Who knows how we'll be listening in a few years? I have records I bought as a kid still sounding good after thirty some years. wnd3 - --- Ari wrote: > Actually Aaron (and where HAVE you been?) > everything degrades in time and, although those > c.d's may sound just fine if you had 'super ears' > and could also go back in time to the day you > actually recorded them and compared there is a good > chance you would, eventually, hear a sonic > difference between what they sounded like then and > what they sound like today. A. > > > Aaron Mandel wrote: On > Fri, 13 Jan 2006, dpbailey@att.net wrote: > > > speaking of technical disc-related stuff, has the > following come up here > > before? > > > >>> "Unlike pressed original CDs, burned CDs have a > >>> relatively short life span of between two to > five > >>> years, depending on the quality of the CD," > Gerecke > >>> says. "There are a few things you can do to > extend > >>> the life of a burned CD, like keeping the disc > in a > >>> cool, dark space, but not a whole lot more." > > This talk about CDRs not lasting as long as everyone > thinks has been going > on for quite a while, and I am starting to wonder > why it is, then, that I > have many discs dating back six years or more which > are just fine? None of > my CDRs have failed except for the first dozen I > ever burned, which were > all from the same package and which had some trouble > playing from the day > I made them-- those eventually died entirely. > > Just to make sure I'm not fooling myself, I've > pulled out the oldest CDR > for which I have a specific date recorded (September > 1, 1998) and it's > playing fine on my least forgiving CD player. > > I find it hard to imagine so many people that know > more about the physical > composition of CDR media than I do could be entirely > wrong, but the > chances that their estimates of disc lifetime are > right-- and I'm just > supernaturally lucky-- seem vanishingly small. > > a > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality > prints in your hands ASAP. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:36:38 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ken Burns' Jazz DVDs On 1/14/06, Ari wrote: > Ken Burns , who knew nothing about jazz before he commenced the documentary relied heavily on Wynton Marsalis, a bigoted, opinionated and totally inadequet jazz 'player. the jazz world generally scoffs at him, you see Wynton, unlike Branford, went for a 'classical music' training, during an interview with the jazz magazine jazziz about 5-6 years ago he actually stated that improvisation had no place in jazz. > This is because, unlike his brother or any other jazz musician worth his oats, Wynton can't/ doeesn't know how to improvise. > anyone who declares improvisation has no place in jazz has no place in jazz. > I've kept that magazine all these years because it also featured an interview with John Zorn, one of America's most brilliant and prolific composers in several genres , my opinion, after reading the articles was thank goodness for Zorn and his vision of music and Marsalis is an idiot: much to my suprise the following issue was full of readers letters mirroring my perspective. Unfortunately jazz improvisation is a heavily controlled one where your 'improvisation' is controlled by lots of often random rules. The only place where it's not like that is in the realms of free jazz and avantgarde. Zorn himself is not strictly a jazz musician, as you know too well. Luckily enough, his influence together with similar-minded artists did make a change and finally there are some jazz musicians around that try to make jazz relevant again, i.e. break the rules and create others. There's nothing that bores me more than the standard bebop melody first, then those long and dreary solos - even worse than prog-rock. cheers giluz - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:42:16 -0000 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Copy control technology (was Classic Wire Remasters) > Am I the only one who has trouble trying to read what > is printed on cd packaging? Guilty, m'lud. I try looking up close, then holding it away from me. Neither works. To quote Clock DVA, we're all older ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:11:44 -0800 (PST) From: aktivitaet@fivetenfifteen.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Copy control technology (was Classic Wire Remasters) >> From: "John Goddard" >> Talking of the Era you mention and its equivalent, those fangled new 45's etc..... >> I do download music and i download for a specific purpose, that purpose being.......... >> Try before i /you buy >> Its the equivalent of going in to one of those Yesteryear record booths >> If the music is crap it gets deleted , if the musics good, it gets deleted, then i go out and make my purchases. Yes, and I do it too. I can't claim that my argument holds water; its more an emotional one than a logical one. Who would argue against the ability to be able to digitally locate, obtain and listen to any piece of music that was desired at any particular moment of time - instant gratification - - as opposed to having to await a release, find the money, travel to buy it, wait to get home then find you either like it/don't like it? Downloads have their place, especially for tracking down and listening to rarities that there would otherwise be little chance of ever hearing. Perhaps the point I was making is that there was something of an event associated with it all which may be lost with the move to download only media (CDs will inevitably disappear as a format before long I dare say - we have Bill Gates crowing now about how HD-DVD will be the final disc-based format). When anything becomes available instantly without effort what becomes of desire or chance? Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:10:04 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Copy control technology (was Classic Wire Remasters) we should all send letters to the C.E.O's of record companies and write/type them in the smallest print possible........... A Keith A wrote: > Am I the only one who has trouble trying to read what > is printed on cd packaging? Guilty, m'lud. I try looking up close, then holding it away from me. Neither works. To quote Clock DVA, we're all older ; ) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:31:52 -0600 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ken Burns' Jazz DVDs ... > > > There's nothing that bores me more than the standard bebop melody > first, then those long and dreary solos - even worse than prog-rock. There is NOTHING worse than prog-rock. Actually, all improvisation is based on *some* sort of structure, stated or implied. The very agreement that there are no rules is a rule of negation. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #14 ******************************