From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V9 #12 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, January 13 2006 Volume 09 : Number 012 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] OT: Copy control technology (was Classic Wire Remasters) [akt] RE: [idealcopy] OT: Copy control technology (was Classic Wire Rem asters) ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] [idealcopy] O.T: the fucking war............. [Ari ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:26:28 -0800 (PST) From: aktivitaet@fivetenfifteen.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Copy control technology (was Classic Wire Remasters) Apologies to anyone already bored to death about the copy control debate... you don't need to read on past this point... > From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" > What does copy control actually do? It varies depending on the copy control technology used and the device used to play the CD back on. In the most extreme recent case, the technology that Sony have used (XCP) uses a 'rootkit' method to install and cloak the copy control mechanism onto a users computer (PC) without making any reference to it or even asking permission. The controversy in this case, quite apart from the dubious aspects of installing software without permission onto a users computer, was that it was flawed - if a user would wish to attempt to remove it (and this would entail having to submit to Sony personal details) it could render the CD drive unusable or if using the officially supplied uninstaller it left the computer vulnerable to possible attack through a trojan. Whether these are widespread instances, it is unlikely given the small scale of the use so far; the point is the principle behind it - that record companies will seemingly use any 'technology' they see fit regardless of the potential damage to a consumers equipment or moral rights in order to lock down their products. Copy control technology can work by deliberately causing errors in disk playback that error correction on regular CD players may be able to compensate for - but at what cost to the actual hardware or disk longevity? In the case of the Sony debacle, a record company has used a technique more commonly used by virus writers to attempt to control use of the disk at the cost of potentially crippling a computer - what does that say about how it views its consumers? > I had some problems ripping MP3s from my copy of Kraftwerk's > Minimum-Maximum but no problem in making back-up CDs. But what next? So its possible to copy a disk now; record companies aren't standing still on this and will obviously not rest until they have a method that works and prevents any kind of useful copying. As the Sony episode shows they are quite willing to use any method they like to limit a consumers freedom to use the product they have paid for in whatever way they wish. I already have the Wire albums in point, but assuming they were to have been remastered and in significantly improved audio to warrant repurchasing (one of the main points of re-issues) I can't justify buying them if it is dictated to me that I must install some custom media player on my computer in order to play them back, that I can't copy the file to the portable device of my choice and that I can't make a backup - that's assuming that the software hasn't also been so badly crafted in the first place that attempts to remove it cripple the computer. I hope this hasn't been too tedious to read through, but it is at least the kind of way I see it and why I am increasingly disnfranchised with major record company releases and voting with my pocket by no longer buying them. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:49:51 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Copy control technology (was Classic Wire Rem asters) Thanks for the detailed explanation. People will switch to downloads in the face of such 'safeguards'. While these may too have copy-control built in you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be people who will engineer ways around this and then post them on file-share networks for people to get illegally, which won't help the musicians or the record companies (although we won't shed too many tears for the latter given that more CDs were sold last year than ever before). Bruno >>>Apologies to anyone already bored to death about the copy control debate... you don't need to read on past this point... ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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Keith np Stereo MC's - Paradise I know I'll be a minority here, but I like them even if they do basically consist of a grown man hollering 'come on, come on' over a funky beat ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:52:51 -0600 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:Marquee Moon (was Classic Wire Remasters) have you heard Veraline's "Warm and Cool" (recently reissued)? > For those who haven't heard it, it sounds more like a surf act than NY's > fab > four. > > Keith > > np Stereo MC's - Paradise > I know I'll be a minority here, but I like them even if they do basically > consist of a grown man hollering 'come on, come on' over a funky beat ; ) i have a special fondness for the Stereo MC's since seeing them at Womad in SF some too many years ago ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:33:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Keith A wrote.......... >>Going off on a tangent, I recently bought the expanded Marquee Moon - more for the extra tracks than any re-mastering to be honest, but it sounds fantastic. Some great alternative versions too - and a prev unreleased instrumental that sounds nothing like expected.<< Shame on you for waiting so long,if you haven't already got them you MUST get the remastered Adventure and 'live at the Old Waldorf, San Fran '78, if it's no longer available drop me a line... A Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:49:23 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: the fucking war............. http://stpeteforpeace.org/victory.in.iraq.wmv thanx Johnny Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:52:37 +0000 From: Ian Grant Subject: [idealcopy] Dubstep on Radio 1 Wotcha, Vastly off-topic, I know, but there were slight murmurs of interest when I started ranting on about dubstep a couple of weeks ago. Anyway, Mary Anne Hobbs' Breezeblock show on Radio 1 last night featured a quite astonishing line-up of dubstep royalty: Digital Mystikz, Kode 9, Loefah, Hatcha, Skream, Vex'd, Distance. Two hours of music to turn the head of anyone who's interested in what's going to blow up in 2006: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/dance/breezeblock/ Get that in yer lug'oles. Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V9 #12 ******************************