From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #335 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, December 8 2005 Volume 08 : Number 335 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT:- [In a conspiratorial whisper]:the follow-up gig to BSP is..... ["Keith A" ] Re: [idealcopy] Top five CDs of 2005 ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] RE: [idealcopy] Cake ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] Cake [dpbailey@att.net] [idealcopy] Silk Skin Pause [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] Top 100 Albums (or "Too Much Free Time") [Eardrumbuz@aol.] Re: [idealcopy] Top five CDs of 2005 [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Top five CDs of 2005 [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Top five CDs of 2005 [fernando ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:17:03 -0000 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:- [In a conspiratorial whisper]:the follow-up gig to BSP is..... > As John Peel said you never know what you're going to get with The Fall, > but its current incarnation are well worth seeing. I saw them a few > weeks back and they were quite ferocious and intense and MES was on top > form and concentrated on performing the songs rather than fiddling with > guitar amps. They were great when I saw them recently, too, though apparently he was back to his old drunken ways at some venues. In fact, I thought it was the best I'd seen them, though admittedly my list of Fall gigs, unlike Mark B, who has seen them on a quarter of a million occasions, come in at a measley four ; ) > Even if you're not a Fall fan they'll shit on fuckin British Sea Power > any day, and I defy any Wire fan not to enjoy a track like 'Blindness' > from their current live set. Oh yeah. Blindness is just about as good as it gets. > Mr Bursa will maintain that The Fall tend to raise their game somewhat > when not playing in a major conurbation, so The Fall in Barrow should be > worth a punt. Might explain the great Wrexham gig!! My review of the gig - with John Cooper Clarke - can be found here if anyone's interested. There's also a photo there that shows what great complexion MES has these days!! http://www.evilsponge.org/concert/Fall__4Oct05.htm > Aim are the polar opposite of The Fall. A rather dull Trip-hop/Jazz/Funk > outfit aligned to the Manchester based 'Fat City' label which is > responsible for perputating the annoying, backward-looking retro/rare > groove scene which after 10 years still reverberates around this city > like a very smelly, beardy, boring cloud of smug annoying bollocks. Very > popular with brown rice-eating/Vinyl Collecting twats in > Chorlton/Didsbury. Avoid! I've just emailed my mate in Chorlton to tell him that! Keith np suicide - vega/rev ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:18:58 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Top five CDs of 2005 Elbow: Leaders of the Free World Gorillaz: Demon Days Various: Help - A day in the life (Warchild) Wilco: Kicking Television - Live in Chicago Wire: The Scottish Play - Live in Glasgow ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:36:35 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Cake http://www.nuj.org.uk/inner.php?docid=1168 I'm the one with the cake, looking serious... Massive Attack make the list of our supporters but not the Strangers or the Wurzels, I notice. For those unfamiliar with the Wurzels they sing songs about cider and combine harvesters in deeply suspect Somerset 'yokel' accents and are popular with students. B ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:07:12 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top five CDs of 2005 Ooh - I'll give that a try. Do compilations count? 1. Rob Dickinson - Fresh Wine For The Horses 2. Boa - Get There 3. Swervedriver - Juggernaut Rides '89-'98 4. Elbow - Leaders of the Free World 5. Madness - The Dangermen Sessions vol. 1 Paul McCartney & Kate Bush almost made the list, but I just can't bring myself to put Paul on a top 5 list, and Kate's CD is too idiosyncratic to make the list. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:19:56 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Top five CDs of 2005 >>>Do compilations count?<<<< Of course... and money spent on the Warchild CD/downloads goes to a very good cause. http://www.warchildmusic.com/ ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:01:05 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Cake It's somewhat reassuring to know that Massive Attack read the Bristol Evening Post (which was always a proper paper, compared to the Bath & Wilts Evening Chronicle, which I used to read while growing up). Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Clements, Bruno - BUP Sent: 07 December 2005 22:37 To: 'idealcopy@smoe.org' Subject: [idealcopy] Cake http://www.nuj.org.uk/inner.php?docid=1168 I'm the one with the cake, looking serious... Massive Attack make the list of our supporters but not the Strangers or the Wurzels, I notice. For those unfamiliar with the Wurzels they sing songs about cider and combine harvesters in deeply suspect Somerset 'yokel' accents and are popular with students. B ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:06:03 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Cake That should have read 'Stranglers', of course, not 'Strangers'! Massive Attack are quite pro the Evening Post - oh and Beth Gibbons from Portishead is behind us as well... To: Clements, Bruno - BUP; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Cake It's somewhat reassuring to know that Massive Attack read the Bristol Evening Post (which was always a proper paper, compared to the Bath & Wilts Evening Chronicle, which I used to read while growing up). Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Clements, Bruno - BUP Sent: 07 December 2005 22:37 To: 'idealcopy@smoe.org' Subject: [idealcopy] Cake http://www.nuj.org.uk/inner.php?docid=1168 I'm the one with the cake, looking serious... Massive Attack make the list of our supporters but not the Strangers or the Wurzels, I notice. For those unfamiliar with the Wurzels they sing songs about cider and combine harvesters in deeply suspect Somerset 'yokel' accents and are popular with students. B ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:46:52 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cake good luck to you guys ... over here (especially in the south, i'd wager) unionization is still fairly uncommon among journalists. i worked for 4 papers before my career was so rudely truncated 4 years ago, & none was union -- indeed, supposedly the new orleans paper (for whose much smaller, much poorer-paying local competitor i worked in the late '80s) paid union-paper wages solely for the purposes of heading off any attempts to unionize. dan - -------------- Original message from "Clements, Bruno - BUP" : -------------- > http://www.nuj.org.uk/inner.php?docid=1168 > > I'm the one with the cake, looking serious... > > Massive Attack make the list of our supporters but not the Strangers or the > Wurzels, I notice. > > For those unfamiliar with the Wurzels they sing songs about cider and > combine harvesters in deeply suspect Somerset 'yokel' accents and are > popular with students. > > B > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.clearswift.com > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 01:14:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Silk Skin Pause Another wonderful instalment of Attenborough's excellent "Life in the Undergrowth" earlier tonight. All about the arachno-tastic world of the silk spinners. Owing to further advances in the miniaturisation of video and audio technology, there's some truly breathtaking footage to see. And - we see Chris Watson at work ! Working with a 'particle velocity' microphone to record the ultra quiet sounds emitted by a caterpillar. This microphone is housed in a soundproofed box, with the caterpillar placed directly on the mike. The recording had to be made in a soundproofed radio studio where Watson daren't even b r e a t h e so as to hear the sounds clearly. Watching him slip on the headphones and grimace with delight as the sounds unfolded was a hoot. There's a small video clip when you click on this link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4460030.stm# and then open up the BBC player in the top right hand corner. Sound quality's poor but it gives some idea. Watson is The Man. I really hope he puts some of this stuff on his next CD... Fergus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:50:36 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top 100 Albums (or "Too Much Free Time") In a message dated 11/18/05 8:05:36 AM, inspectorjason@hotmail.com writes: > > 66. Arcadia  So Red The Rose > the only one i'm completely unfamiliar with. could you accompany your vote with a little blurb? :o) - -another the paul p.s. will try to make a list before 2006 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 01:31:22 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top five CDs of 2005 On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 10:18:58PM -0000, Clements, Bruno - BUP wrote: > Elbow: Leaders of the Free World > > Gorillaz: Demon Days > > Various: Help - A day in the life (Warchild) > > Wilco: Kicking Television - Live in Chicago > > Wire: The Scottish Play - Live in Glasgow Rather more than five here. Sigur Ros, Takk (EMI) The Arcade Fire, Funeral (Merge) The Broken Family Band, Welcome Home, Loser (Track and Field) Jackson and his Computer Band, Smash (Warp) Venetian Snares, Rossz Csillag Alatt Szuletett (Planet Mu) Low, The Great Destroyer (Rough Trade) Autechre, Untilted (Warp) Boards of Canada, The Campfire Headphase (Warp) Vector Lovers, Capsule for One (Soma) Ladytron, Witching Hour (Universal) Susumu Yokota and Rothko, Distant Sounds of Summer (Lo) No particular order. Andrew - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | http://covertmusic.com/ | work: adw27@cam.ac.uk "nineteen sixty-nine in the sunshine" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:07:13 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top 100 Albums (or "Too Much Free Time") > In a message dated 11/18/05 8:05:36 AM, inspectorjason@hotmail.com writes: >> >> 66. Arcadia  So Red The Rose >> > > the only one i'm completely unfamiliar with. could you accompany your vote > with a little blurb? :o) > Jumping in on your thread here, I know this album very well. Arcadia was a splinter group of Duran Duran - basically the three who weren't The Power Station - Simon LeBon, Nick Rhodes & Roger Taylor. So Red The Rose was an ambitious splinter group though. If Duran Duran was equal parts art and funk (and commerce ^_^) and Power Station was funk - then Arcadia was pretty much the art. Produced by the late Alex Sadkin, it was probably the pinnacle of his production work. Alex always favored very intricate, headphone friendly production - bordering on overkill sometimes. This one is no exception - shortwave broadcasts, Grace Jones, Mark Isham, Sting (!) & ocarina - they're all in the mix somewhere. Recorded 100% digitally - vastly expensive at the time - at a running time of over 80 minutes, this was very artsy for a Duran Duran record. Unfortunately, since the primary release medium was still vinyl, the band trimmed it to 40 minutes - to insure maximum vinyl sound quality - and the full length version has never been released. It hasn't aged extremely well - but it's one of the more interesting 80's relics to be sure. I still spin tracks from it in my podcasts now and again. ( http://digicharat.weasel-bot.com/~weasel_bot/podcast/podcast11242005.m3u has "Goodbye is Forever" in the podcast). Hope this helps! Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:52:47 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top five CDs of 2005 These list are actually quite useful when eclectic people contribute. Hoping for some usefulness from this list (It has been such a while since the favorite for the year is so distant from the second best, it is not even funny) 1. The National - Alligator 4. Go-Betweens - Oceans Apart 5. Elbow - Leaders of the Free World 6. Junior Boys - Last Exit 7. The New Pornographers -- Twin Cinema bubbling under, just in case someone expands it to a top 10 :) >> NiN - - With Teeth (biggest surprise, not a huge fan), Cranes - Particles and Waves, House of Love - Days Run Away, Piano Magic - Disaffected, Perry Blake - The Crying Room Categories to not make it so dry: "re-hashed": Go-Betweens - Live in London, and Kraftwerk - Maximum/ Minimum "box set": The Auteurs -- Luke Haines is Dead "most promising" : Clap Your Hands Say Yeah "Re-inventing the 80s, but I like this upgrade anyway": Two Lone Swordsmen - From the Double Gone Chapel "had to lower expectations": Broken Social Scene "I had no expectations, but loved it": Fisherspooner - Odyssey "best re-issue set": Tindersticks albums I suspect that the new TV on the Radio is not to be out before year's end. cheers! - -fernando On Dec 7, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > Ooh - I'll give that a try. Do compilations count? > > 1. Rob Dickinson - Fresh Wine For The Horses > > 2. Boa - Get There > > 3. Swervedriver - Juggernaut Rides '89-'98 > > 4. Elbow - Leaders of the Free World > > 5. Madness - The Dangermen Sessions vol. 1 > > Paul McCartney & Kate Bush almost made the list, but I just can't > bring myself to put Paul on a top 5 list, and Kate's CD is too > idiosyncratic to make the list. > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:20:08 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top five CDs of 2005 On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:52:47PM -0800, fernando wrote: > and Waves, House of Love - Days Run Away, Piano Magic - Disaffected, House of Love - crushing disappointment, along with the Daft Punk record. Frankly, I thought both were... well, poor. Andrew - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | http://covertmusic.com/ | work: adw27@cam.ac.uk "pigeon?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 03:33:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Cake What kind of cake was it? Did you have tea as well? - --- "Clements, Bruno - BUP" wrote: > That should have read 'Stranglers', of course, not > 'Strangers'! > > Massive Attack are quite pro the Evening Post - oh > and Beth Gibbons from > Portishead is behind us as well... > > > To: Clements, Bruno - BUP; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Cake > > > It's somewhat reassuring to know that Massive Attack > read the Bristol > Evening Post (which was always a proper paper, > compared to the Bath & > Wilts Evening Chronicle, which I used to read while > growing up). > > Another the Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Clements, Bruno - BUP > Sent: 07 December 2005 22:37 > To: 'idealcopy@smoe.org' > Subject: [idealcopy] Cake > > http://www.nuj.org.uk/inner.php?docid=1168 > > I'm the one with the cake, looking serious... > > Massive Attack make the list of our supporters but > not the Strangers or > the > Wurzels, I notice. > > For those unfamiliar with the Wurzels they sing > songs about cider and > combine harvesters in deeply suspect Somerset > 'yokel' accents and are > popular with students. > > B > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are > confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or > entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in > error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message > has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.clearswift.com > ********************************************************************** > Visit my sites for music downloads: http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ http://home.earthlink.net/~2signs/ http://home.netcom.com/~keepleft/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:05:56 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top five CDs of 2005 That was my first take... I listened to it and I guess I was expecting something along the lines of Babe Rainbow Continued. However, I warmed up to the sound/songs after a couple of listen. Rather nice record, but not nowhere near their best stuff (album wise). I suppose a bit much of 60s listening by them. I suspect that the album bombed in a big way. cheers! - -fernando On Dec 7, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:52:47PM -0800, fernando wrote: >> and Waves, House of Love - Days Run Away, Piano Magic - Disaffected, > > House of Love - crushing disappointment, along with the Daft Punk > record. > Frankly, I thought both were... well, poor. > > Andrew > > -- > http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | http://covertmusic.com/ | work: > adw27@cam.ac.uk > "pigeon?" ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #335 *******************************