From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #326 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, November 29 2005 Volume 08 : Number 326 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] This Heat [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] OT-CAN [giluz ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #325 OT:This Heat [tony clough ] RE: [idealcopy] OT: This Heat Box Set ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: This Heat Box Set [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] OT-CAN [giluz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:57:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] This Heat Tim asked about This Heat... The 1st LP is pretty strong, and Deceit is really excellent, a must have I'd say. The Peel sessions feature versions of most of the first LP and one or two things that ended up on Deceit. These Records released 'Repeat' some years back, which features three extended tracks which, I think I could count on the fingers of one hand how many times I've listened to it... not a strong one. But with the booklet material and the usual 'extra stuff' I'd say it's a well worthwhile buy. Fergus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:08:19 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-CAN check out the news section on Can's website at http://www.spoonrecords.com/news.html On 11/28/05, Circlejerk04@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know the exact details of the upcoming Can rereleases? I > know > they have a lot of great live recordings from the Can dvd that aren't on > an > album. Also the other day I struggled an inner conflict on weather or > not I > should throw down 26 dollars for the moonshake single (4 songs). I love > the > band but am holding off to see what exactly will be included in future > releases. > Not sure weather I should pay extra for rare stuff or weather the people > at > spoon records will be nice and put it all out for a good price. Anybody > that > knows anything on the topic please respond > - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:22:39 +0000 From: tony clough Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #325 OT:This Heat > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:38:36 +0000 > From: Tim > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: This Heat Box Set > > Don't know much about TH, other than the snippets of info I've picked up > on this list. Only heard the debut, some of which is amazing. > 'Horizontal Hold', '24 Track Loop' etc. Find some of it a bit tricky but > all of it interesting. > > So whats the rest of their material like?? Quite tempted by the box set > as given the prices they change hands for on Ebay, 45 quid for the lot > seems like a good deal to me. > Well, the only other "proper" album is Deceit. It has an intense feeling fuelled by the late 70's early 80's cold war/pending nuclear destruction paranoia. Its full of (for the time) inventive studio/tapework and has elements as extreme as the first album but mostly its worked into song format. Some of the material pre-dates the first album, not because it was "rejected" for the first but because the albums were carefully constructed and some very strong material just didn't fit. "Made Available" (punning on Maida Vale where it was recorded) collects 2 Peel sessions which (if I remember correctly) were both recorded before the band had released anything. Most of the tracks were revisited on the albums but these versions are, not surprisingly, rawer and sometimes give a slightly clearer version of where the band were coming from and somewhat belies the "year zero" mentality they used to espouse in interviews . I always used "the punk Faust" as shorthand to describe them to people back in those days but there's other possibly more surprising influences like"Rimp Romp Ramp" (or similar) which sounds like a King Crimson out-take. People are not always aware that one of Hayward' first bands was Quiet Sun (a kind of Matching Mole/Soft Machine affair) with Phil Manzanera which reformed, on the back of his Roxy success, to record "Mainstream" in 75 just as This Heat were formed. Repeat is a series of experiments with loops, one track is an extended version of 24 Track Loop from the first album, another is Graphic Varispeed, side 2 of the "Health and Efficiency" 12" which is one chord looped and subjected to subtle speed and tone alterations, the third is a collection of loops made up of improvisations made on scrap metal. Its a pretty low key album and one I'll be pleased to hear again in the box set as I didn't hold onto it originally ! The "out-takes" album sounds very promising. Like Faust and Can they had their own studio and were prolific improvisers/recorders so I guess there's a mountain of stuff to choose from. A DJ friend of mine had access to some of their tapes and tormented me by allowing me to hear some of it but refusing to copy it in the eighties. I know I thought it was great at the time.They also had at least some stuff recorded by the 4 piece version of the band which was due for release when it all fell apart including a projected single "Greenfingers". Here's hoping... I've bought a number of these Recommended box sets and - despite a few clumsy errors and omissions - the Henry Cow box, some years ago, and the Faust and Art Bears boxes more recently have all been wonderful items and very cheap for what they are. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:46:43 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: This Heat Box Set >>So whats the rest of their material like?? Quite tempted by the box set as given the prices they change hands for on Ebay, 45 quid for the lot seems like a good deal to me.<< Deceit is one of the truly great albums of the post-punk era - a really neglected classic. As a very rough guide to what it's like, imagine a very pissed-off Robert Wyatt, fronting a funky Einsturzende Neubauten. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:42:19 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: This Heat Box Set You should be a salesman, Mark, because following your description I now know that it's something I must listen to. On 11/28/05, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > Deceit is one of the truly great albums of the post-punk era - a really > neglected classic. As a very rough guide to what it's like, imagine a very > pissed-off Robert Wyatt, fronting a funky Einsturzende Neubauten. > > Mark > - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:05:35 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: This Heat Box Set Deceit is my main reason for buying this set... Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: giluz [mailto:giluzzz@gmail.com] Sent: 28 November 2005 15:42 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: This Heat Box Set You should be a salesman, Mark, because following your description I now know that it's something I must listen to. On 11/28/05, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > Deceit is one of the truly great albums of the post-punk era - a really > neglected classic. As a very rough guide to what it's like, imagine a very > pissed-off Robert Wyatt, fronting a funky Einsturzende Neubauten. > > Mark > - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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Taken with a small automatic camera, so, photographically no great shakes, but a partially interesting record anyway. http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/sets/1443976/ Fergus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:08:44 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] anotherthepassiton.............. and someone asked 'why' the world hates us? http://tinyurl.com/ag2va __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL  Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:57:35 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] and the video of that story.......... http://tinyurl.com/9nmjs __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:44:37 +0800 From: First Last Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: This Heat Box Set Thanks for the heads up Tim On 11/26/05, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > ReR (Chris Cutler's label) has just announced this: > > > >>THIS HEAT BOX SUBSCRIPTION OFFER > > THE BOX will contain all the released material, newly re-mastered (This > Heat, Deceit, Made Available, Repeat, Health and Efficiency), PLUS a CD of > unreleased material selected and re-mastered by Charles Hayward & Charles > Bullen, > PLUS a fat book of interviews, articles, photograph, memorabilia and > documents that trace the history and contextualise work of the group. > > For subscribers only, this will be a numbered edition and will come with an > extra subscription item. The box is projected for the groupbs 30th > anniversary on February 13, 2006. Or soon thereafter. Subscribe now and you > will > receive the re-mastered version of the first record bThis Heatb (Blue and > Yellow) > in December, and the rest of the box as soon as it is ready. > > Subscription price for the box B#45<< > > OK, so I bought all the These reissues, and ReR are offering Blue & Yellow > on its own for B#11. But it does look like a nice package with the unreleased > stuff etc.... > > _www.rermegacorp.com_ (http://www.rermegacorp.com) > > > > Also in related matters, there's this: > > > >>December 5 2005 (Monday) > 93 Feet Street, London, UK > http://www.93feeteast.co.uk/ > www.kosmische.prg > 1st Set: Damo Suzuki with Charles Hayward (Drums), > Makoto Kawabata (Guitar) and Omar A. Rodriguez-Lopez > (Guitar) > 2nd Set: Damo Suzuki with Jelly Planet: Felix > Gutierrez (Bass), Stephan Hendricks (Synthesizer), > Jens K|chenthal (Drums) and Alex Schvnert (Guitar)<< > > > Damo & Charlie H of the 'Heat, plus guitarists out of Mars Volta and Acid > Mothers Temple.... > > Frazzled Krautrock or Progwankery? Probably worth finding out... anyone up > for it? > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 02:00:04 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-CAN giluz wrote: > check out the news section on Can's website at > http://www.spoonrecords.com/news.html > Got some of the re-issues Future Days, Ege Bam Yasi and Tago Mago all sound mint and fantastic although of course I don't own any of the original vinyl so can't compare. When I bought these the guy in the Manchester branch of Polar Bear (RIP!) asked if I was replacing my vinyl copies cos he wanted to buy them off me. Personally I think if you seek out Can on Vinyl you're just trying to show off...this music was futuristic and meant to be heard in digital format, without the snack crackle and pop. A live Can DVD has been promised for some time, so hope it does finally come out next year and hope its not just a copy of the live show off the DVD. The DVD is great btw and just re-released if you missed it last time. You get a pretty wild live set with Damo on vox and a bloke juggling. Plus a couple of documentaries one of which is peppered with superb live clips and bits of Tv shows..many of which are just downright bizarre. Best bit is the fact that Noel Edmonds (this will mean nothing outside the UK) is on the DVD introducing them playing 'I Want More' on TOTP "I wonder if Can will get in the Top Tin...." Oh, and there are a couple of clips from the mostly rubbish Rite Time album which taken out of context are really enjoyable cos you get to see Malcolm Mooney sing with the band. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:05:45 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: This Heat Box Set MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > Deceit is one of the truly great albums of the post-punk era - a > really neglected classic. As a very rough guide to what it's like, > imagine a very pissed-off Robert Wyatt, fronting a funky > Einsturzende Neubauten. Thanks readers! Sounds like its worth having for Deceit alone so I think I better just buy the darn thing! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:02:40 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-CAN On 11/29/05, Tim wrote: > > giluz wrote: > Got some of the re-issues Future Days, Ege Bam Yasi and Tago Mago all > sound mint and fantastic although of course I don't own any of the > original vinyl so can't compare. When I bought these the guy in the > Manchester branch of Polar Bear (RIP!) asked if I was replacing my vinyl > copies cos he wanted to buy them off me. Personally I think if you seek > out Can on Vinyl you're just trying to show off...this music was > futuristic and meant to be heard in digital format, without the snack > crackle and pop. Futuristic my arse - there's no better presentation of the advantages of analogue sound than Can. Their sound is so analogue - warm and hissy. Some of the reasons why Can were played so much since the 90's is because of their so analogue sound. I would gladly by those vinyl albums, though I'm far from being a sound purist. I just hope that the new masters didn't filter out the wonderful analogue tape hiss noticeable on their 90's CD re-issues. It is actually Faust, having better recording equipment and technical staff, whose early music is much more fitting to be re-issued digitally. > Oh, and there are a couple of clips from the mostly rubbish Rite Time > album which taken out of context are really enjoyable cos you get to see > Malcolm Mooney sing with the band. > This the same film released a few years back on video as Can Box? cheers giluz - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #326 *******************************