From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #315 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, November 17 2005 Volume 08 : Number 315 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #314 OT; Dogs ! [tony clough ] Re: [idealcopy] New Order (was Gilmour) [David McKenzie ] Re: [idealcopy] Quicksilver [David McKenzie ] Re: [idealcopy] Quicksilver [rdc ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:22:01 +0000 From: tony clough Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #314 OT; Dogs ! > Are there more examples of dogs or other pet sounds live on stage? > Its not on stage but Can's Aumgn from Tago Mago has a dog barking towards the climax. I understand someone had ventured into the studio with it while they were playing live to 2-track as they did in those days. The Homosexuals crowd, including The Murphy Federation, had a dog called Prince Charles which appeared on stage but I can't remember if it joined in. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:50:39 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT Nick Mason (Former New Order (was Gilmour) On 11/16/05, nowhere man wrote: > > another thing about old nick....having the largest crumpet in the world > beats mick with the most copious basket padding.now for some weetabix and > brandy before bed...........hey ari...whatcha doin? > > He's also produced Wyatt's Rock Bottom and Ruth is Stranger Than Richard if I'm not mistaken. giluz - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:07:26 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Gilmour On 11/16/05, > > the dog was last heard of living in shepard's bush, on the dole with a > pronounced drug habit, He's completely bald, doesn't do music anymore, concentrates instead on painting and lives with his aunt. - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:19:24 -0600 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Order (was Gilmour) only if smeared liberally with marmite On 11/15/05, nowhere man wrote: > > are they as good as those other notorius gourmet items, chip butties of > bangers and mash? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:21:51 -0600 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT Nick Mason (Former New Order (was Gilmour) Nick Mason's Ficticious Sports is a marvelous thinly disguised Carla Bley album with delightful P Glass piss-take "I'm a Mineralist" sung by R Wyatt A perrenial favorite of mine Not at all what the label expected, methinks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:22:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: nytimes: CD's Recalled for Posing Risk to PC's CD's Recalled for Posing Risk to PC's By TOM ZELLER Jr. The global music giant Sony BMG yesterday announced plans to recall millions of CD's by at least 20 artists - from the crooners Celine Dion and Neil Diamond to the country-rock act Van Zant - because they contain copy restriction software that poses risks to the computers of consumers. The move, more commonly associated with collapsing baby strollers, exploding batteries, or cars with faulty brakes, is expected to cost the company tens of millions of dollars. Sony BMG said that all CD's containing the software would be removed from retail outlets and that exchanges would be offered to consumers who had bought any of them. A toll-free number and e-mail message inquiry system will also be set up on the Sony BMG Web site, sonybmg.com. "We deeply regret any inconvenience this may cause our customers," the company said in a letter that it said it would post on its Web site, "and are committed to making this situation right." Neither representatives of Sony BMG nor the British company First 4 Internet, which developed the copy protection software, would comment further. Sony BMG estimated last week that about five million discs - some 49 different titles - had been shipped with the problematic software, and about two million had been sold. Market research from 2004 has shown that about 30 percent of consumers report obtaining music through the copying and sharing of tracks among friends from legitimately purchased CD's. But the fallout from the aggressive copy protection effort has raised serious questions about how far companies should be permitted to go in seeking to prevent digital piracy. The recall and exchange program, which was first reported by USA Today, comes two weeks after news began to spread on the Internet that certain Sony BMG CD's contained software designed to limit users to making only three copies. The software also, however, altered the deepest levels of a computer's systems and created vulnerabilities that Internet virus writers could exploit. Since then, computer researchers have identified other problems with the software, as well as with the software patch and uninstaller programs that the company issued to address the vulnerabilities. Several security and antivirus companies, including Computer Associates, F-Secure and Symantec, quickly classified the software on the CD's, as malicious because, among other things, it tried to hide itself and communicated remotely with Sony servers once installed. The problems were known to affect only users of the Windows operating system. On Saturday, a Microsoft engineering team indicated that it would be updating the company's security tools to detect and remove parts of the Sony BMG copy-protection software to help protect customers. Researchers at Princeton University disclosed yesterday that early versions of the "uninstall" process published by Sony BMG on its Web site, which was designed to help users remove the copy protection software from their machines, created a vulnerability that could expose users of the Internet Explorer Web browser to malicious code embedded on Web sites. Security analysts at Internet Security Systems, based in Atlanta, also issued an alert yesterday indicating that the copy-protection software itself, which was installed on certain CD's beginning last spring, could be used by virus writers to gain administrator privileges on multi-user computers. David Maynor, a researcher with the X-force division of Internet Security Systems, which analyzes potential network vulnerabilities, said the copy-protection feature was particularly pernicious because it was nearly impossible for typical computer users to remove on their own. "At what point do you think it is a good thing to surreptitiously put Trojans on people's machines?" Mr. Maynor said. "The only thing you're guaranteeing is that they won't be customers anymore." Some early estimates indicate that the problem could affect half a million or more computers around the globe. Data collected in September by the market research firm NPD Group indicated that roughly 36 percent of consumers report that they listen to music CD's on a computer. If that percentage held true for people who bought the Sony BMG CD's, that would amount to about 720,000 computers - although only those running Windows would be affected. (Consumers who listen to CD's on stereo systems and other noncomputer players, as well as users of Apple computers, would not be at risk.) Dan Kaminsky, a prominent independent computer security researcher, conducted a more precise analysis of the number of PC's affected by scanning the Internet traffic generated by the Sony BMG copy-protection software, which, once installed, quietly tries to connect to one of two Sony servers if an Internet connection is present. Mr. Kaminsky estimated that about 568,000 unique Domain Name System - or D.N.S. - servers, which help direct Internet traffic, had been contacted by at least one computer seeking to reach those Sony servers. Given that many D.N.S. servers field queries from more than one computer, the number of actual machines affected is almost certainly higher, Mr. Kaminsky said. Although antivirus companies have indicated since late last week that virus writers were trying to take advantage of the vulnerabilities, it is not known if any of these viruses have actually found their way onto PC's embedded with the Sony BMG copy protection software. Mr. Kaminsky and other security and digital rights advocates say that does not matter. "There may be millions of hosts that are now vulnerable to something that they weren't vulnerable to before," Mr. Kaminsky said. For some critics, the recall will not be enough. "This is only one of the many things Sony must do to be accountable for the damage it's inflicted on its customers," said Jason Schultz, a lawyer with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital rights group in California. On Monday, the foundation issued an open letter to Sony BMG executives demanding, among other things, refunds for customers who bought the CD's and did not wish to make an exchange, and compensation for time spent removing the software and any potential damage to computers. The group, which has been involved in lawsuits over the protection of digital rights, gave the company, which is jointly owned by the Sony Corporation and Bertelsmann, a deadline of Friday morning to respond with some indication that it was "in the process of implementing these measures." Mr. Schultz said: "People paid Sony for music, not an invasion of their computers. Sony must right the wrong it has committed. Recalling the CD's is a beginning step in the process, but there is a whole lot more mess to clean up." "There are weapons you cannot hold in your hands. You can only hold them in your mind." - Bene Gesserit Teaching - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:55:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: [idealcopy] The Idealcopy has been Frappr-ised http://www.frappr.com/thecopiedidea This is kinda cool. Let's see who can clog up the map the most. ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:20:29 -0800 From: "Robert Cambra" Subject: [idealcopy] Quicksilver The drummer for Quicksilver Messenger Service, Greg Elmore, is my Airborne Express guy. Not many people can make a living with music forever . . . . Robert (another) "some of the older crowd will remember quicksilver messenger service. i had a frined in san francisco who went to a jobsite as laborer for a roofer. the song '(have another hit.of) fresh air came on the radio. the roofer he was working for said "ah, another few cents for the ex-wife and my lawyer." sad state....they were a pretty good band before they went aor and did stuff like have another hit........" ****************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this communication in error, please do not distribute and delete the original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. Thank you for your compliance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:59:46 -0800 From: rdc Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Quicksilver are you in the bay area robert......harper collins, eh? i just picked 19 of a 25 volume set of artists editions Collected Works of Mark Twain for $19.00 I saw a full set on Amazon go for $1524.00 So Greg is your AE guy, that's wild........ask 'em for his autograph? He'd be impressed. He was a good drummer. Is he still playing? r Robert Cambra wrote: >The drummer for Quicksilver Messenger Service, Greg Elmore, is my Airborne >Express guy. Not many people can make a living with music forever . . . . > >Robert (another) > >"some of the older crowd will remember quicksilver messenger service. i had >a frined in san francisco who went to a jobsite as laborer for a roofer. >the >song '(have another hit.of) fresh air came on the radio. the roofer he was >working for said "ah, another few cents for the ex-wife and my lawyer." sad >state....they were a pretty good band before they went aor and did stuff >like >have another hit........" > > >****************************************************** >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this communication in error, please do not distribute and delete the original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. Thank you for your compliance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:52:10 -0600 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Quicksilver happy trails marks a very special point in time for me who\what\when do you love defines serpentine guitar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:46:18 -0800 From: rdc Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Quicksilver David McKenzie wrote: >happy trails marks a very special point in time for me > who\what\when do you love defines serpentine guitar > > > > i'll say........sinewy too ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #315 *******************************