From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #292 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, October 25 2005 Volume 08 : Number 292 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Project Anorak (was Simon Reynolds) ["Glenn & Cecile" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT : Boards of Moondog etc [David McKenzie ] [idealcopy] franz/kate thoughts? [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Project Anorak (was Simon Reynolds) [chris242 ] Re: [idealcopy] ATL Gang of 4 question [dpbailey@att.net] [CD REVIEWS] Where's the Buffalo? (was Re: [idealcopy] OOIOO) ["Paul Pie] [Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] ATL Gang of 4 question] [cortinas rool ] RE: [idealcopy] franz/kate thoughts? ["Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Project Anorak (was Simon Reynolds) Books like these are always going to suffer from academic overtones. Wouldn't it be great if someone, (winks at some of our esteemed anoraks), compiled a chronology of articles, interviews and reviews related to the time ? That would be a *brick* worth reading. Glenn. > Well as someone who was 3 when Johnny Strummer and Kilburn and the Hot > Rods were first putting saftety pins in their ears and ripping their > trousers...I have to say I rather enjoyed both 'Engalands Dreaming' and > 'Rip it Up..' a lot. > > So maybe these books are more fun if you weren't there at the time... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:51:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Talking of Moondog............... .........does anyone have his c.d ? (I think the old 60's record was released on c.d about 10 years ago) A If it's rum............drink it.................. __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:39:29 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OOIOO "OOIOO began as a fictitious band for a photo shoot for Switch magazine in 1996." I actually saw an article some time later in Tokyon which amplified the kawaii all-girl thing and picked up the self titled first disc shortly thereafter, being at the time somewhat more into jpop than the couple boredoms tracks i had heard. The opening track 5oio2 establishes the motif of percussive energetic repitition Next was Feather Float (which remains my favorite to this day) "Be Sure To Loop" being the standout track (for me). Then Shock City Shockers 2, which is more or less a Yoshi(mi) P-We/ooioo type thing features an sublime cover of Flora Purim's "Open Your Eyes (You Can Fly)" Shock City Shockers 1 is more of an Eye effort. The third 'official' ooioo release is the wonderful Green and Gold Lastly, we have Kila Kila Kila and last year, a Japanese only best-of collection which includes "Open Your Eyes" Google yields tons of better written information I have, unfortunately, missed at least one live appearance here in chi. By all accounts the performance surpassed the records. I have a couple live recordings scrounged up on soulseek, shared there (user ray0graph) On 10/24/05, Keith A wrote: > > > Gold and Green album by the "band" OOIOO is excellent. Recently picked > this > > up ,and it is one of the few pieces of modern music in a long time that > > captured me away in a way I thought only possible by Tago Mago or Faust > IV. > > Not heard that, but have been playing Kila Kila Kila by them the last few > days. > > My kids got it me for xmas last year - they said there was a Japanese > theme > and got me the battle Royale DVD, too! - and it's turned out to be a real > grower. > > So did this one come 1st? > > K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:55:24 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Boards of Moondog etc On 10/24/05, Tim wrote: > > ...Intrigued by this Moondog compilation thats just been re-released. I've > heard snippets which I found quite interesting. Anyone else know more > about it? it or him? if him, the best source of information is moondog hissself he has a website and sells some archival stuff there fairly well rated a genius contemporary composer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 04:05:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Boards of Moondog etc Moondog used to (in the mid 60's) stand on a corner in N.Y playing his music with a bowl for people to throw money into. He was 'situated' not too far from a recording company's H.Q, story has it that one day one of the 'scouts' for that company was walking to work when he heard Moodog playing, he was so impressed that he invited Moondog into the studio. The rest is history,as they say, I oft tripped out on his music in the late 60's,he was a standard 'must have' in those daze. A - --- David McKenzie wrote: > On 10/24/05, Tim wrote: > > > > ...Intrigued by this Moondog compilation thats > just been re-released. I've > > heard snippets which I found quite interesting. > Anyone else know more > > about it? > > it or him? > if him, the best source of information is moondog > hissself > he has a website and sells some archival stuff there > fairly well rated a genius contemporary composer > little do you know that I know a little about the little that you know __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 04:13:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] More about Moondog http://www.moondogscorner.de/frame.html little do you know that I know a little about the little that you know __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:40:14 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] franz/kate thoughts? after a lot of talk before the event , not heard much comment here on the kate bush or franz albums after people have heard them. franz album i downloaded and i'm struggling to reconcile what i'm hearing with all the 5-star reviews. its ok , but hardly anything earth-shattering and very much more of the same. bit dull really. not heard the KB opus but the last 2 were really dreary IMO so i hope they're better than that. i suspect the lack of discussion does not point to anyone being overimpressed? shame i missed later. goldfrapp sounded "entertaining". p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:37:28 -0400 From: chris242 Subject: [idealcopy] Project Anorak (was Simon Reynolds) You mean like: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312110480/002-7516424-0162465 and http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/031216968X/002-7516424-0162465 'cause they're both pretty excellent. On Oct 25, 2005, at 4:47 AM, Glenn & Cecile wrote: > Books like these are always going to suffer from academic overtones. > Wouldn't it be great if someone, (winks at some of our esteemed > anoraks), > compiled a chronology of articles, interviews and reviews related > to the > time ? > > That would be a *brick* worth reading. > - -- np: nothing - -Christopher (doktor242) "The universe never did make sense; I suspect it was built on a government contract." -Robert A. Heinlein http://www.vektor7.com AIM- andreitaganov242 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:56:16 GMT From: "P J Kane" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Boards of Moondog etc in this discussion, i am going to come out in the Walkingshaw side of things: i like CH better than Geogaddi. i think it's a very fun little album, and i like the guitarwork and the live sounding drumming in a few spots. seems to me that BoC are moving towards being more like M83 than Aphex Twin. fine by me.... i have never heard of Moondog. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:10:08 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [CD REVIEWS] Okay - it's weird. Cheers - bought it today after mentions on the list (at an Oxfam shop, so I can hate it and still help someone!) Thanks for the detailed review, Paul. - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Pietromonaco [mailto:weasel_bot@hotmail.com] Sent: 24 October 2005 21:04 To: IdealCopy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [CD REVIEWS] Okay - it's weird. > I bought a copy of Adam and Eve from my local library when they > were offloading it for a whole #1, but thus far it's had one playing, > and that was when I had a few friends round so can't say I really > took it in. Worth the effort of digging it out again, is it? ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:44:54 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ATL Gang of 4 question haven't seen 'em in some 23 years, but i seem to recall him doing something like that (pre-microwave, of course -- would've taken at least 2 guys back then to hold one of the '82 versions up long enough for a sound thrashing!) during outside the trains don't run on time ... dan - -------------- Original message from "P J Kane" : -------------- > this might be applicable to others who have seen them on tour lately: > > what was the song that they were playing when he beat the microwave to pieces? > i am drawing a total blank here... > > Jason? Tim? anyone else who saw them on tour (since they might have done the > same song all tour). > > thanks. > > PJK > > please don't hate me because i can't type..... > --- > All the cool kids are doing it: > HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:49:27 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [CD REVIEWS] Where's the Buffalo? (was Re: [idealcopy] OOIOO) > Gold and Green album by the "band" OOIOO is excellent. Recently picked > this > up ,and it is one of the few pieces of modern music in a long time that > captured me away in a way I thought only possible by Tago Mago or Faust > IV. > > There's been an overwhelming positive response to this review on IdealCopy. Based on this and other comments, I'll definitely have to check them out - they sound right up my alley. But, I must admit, I'm surprised there's not more list mention of Buffalo Daughter. From the OOIOO I've heard - which isn't as much as I'd like - and my own limited knowledge of German music history - I'd say Buffalo Daughter would be the "Neu" compared to OOIOO's "Can". Buffalo Daughter isn't quite as avant garde - i.e. no jazz here and they're much more cut'n'paste than noise based - but some of their songs really hit that "Motorik" (sp?) feel. Unfortunately, they really haven't made a completely unified album, although New Rock and Psyhchic are very close. I'd say start with Psyhchic or New Rock if you can find them used. Unfortunately, most of their CDs are out of print, unless you live in Japan. In the US, they were signed to the Beastie Boys "Grand Royale" label that unfortunately went bankrupt. "I" came out thru Emperor Norton, who then dropped them. Their latest, Psyhchic, never even had U.S. distribution - but it came out on V2 in Europe, and should be easy to find. (The Japanese edition of Psyhchic is an SACD that actually sounds like it's high definition. I think they must have recorded it using Sony's DSD system.) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Sidebar: I have a few DVD-A's and SACD's. For the most part, with my Pioneer player, the DVD-A's sound really great, and the SACDs don't sound that much different from the CDs. It seems that the SACD effect is more subtle than the raw higher bitrate and bitdepth of DVD-A. The SACDs that sound significantly better seem to be 100% SACD - remastering to SACD doesn't seem to yield the sonic benefits that remastering to DVD-A yields. Just my opinions, mind you. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Album Discography (+ my ratings out of 5): Captain Vapor Atheletes (Grand Royale) (**1/2) - too cut'n'paste, but a couple of Buffalo Daughter's classic songs are on this one. I will admit that I haven't spun this one in quite a while - it might be a bit better than I'm remembering it. I'm gonna have to go find this one in the moving boxes. New Rock (Grand Royale) (****) - Probably their best statement - still cut'n'pasty, but they stretch out on this one, and that makes all the difference. Be sure to checkout Super Blooper and Sky High. I (Emperor Norton) (***) - Too safe, oddly enough. Sounds like they tried too hard. Still, Volcanic Girl is a perfect slice of guitar pop. The Japanese edition includes a bonus track with Cibo Matto - I think that's probably one of the last things Cibo Matto ever worked on. Psyhchic (V2) (****1/2) - Repetition to the fore on this one. Cyclic (which you can hear on my 9 Sep. 2005 podcast) sets the tone. With 5 tracks, I know it looks like an EP, but Cyclic is 10 minutes long, and 303 LIVE is 20 minutes! Okay - that's enough rambling from me. See what happens when I'm drinking my morning coffee? ^_^ Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:47:06 -0700 From: cortinas rool Subject: [Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] ATL Gang of 4 question] Message-ID: <435E5E7E.9050207@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:34:06 -0700 From: cortinas rool Reply-To: upagainstthewall@gmail.com Organization: soul patch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ATL Gang of 4 question References: <20051025.082214.20121.2138@webmail61.nyc.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20051025.082214.20121.2138@webmail61.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit P J Kane wrote: >this might be applicable to others who have seen them on tour lately: > >what was the song that they were playing when he beat the microwave to pieces? i am drawing a total blank here... > >Jason? Tim? anyone else who saw them on tour (since they might have done the same song all tour). > >thanks. > >PJK > >please don't hate me because i can't type..... >--- >All the cool kids are doing it: >HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org > > > > wasn't it "he'd send in the army" from solid gold ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:55:24 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Boards of Moondog etc On 10/24/05, Tim wrote: > > ...Intrigued by this Moondog compilation thats just been re-released. I've > heard snippets which I found quite interesting. Anyone else know more > about it? it or him? if him, the best source of information is moondog hissself he has a website and sells some archival stuff there fairly well rated a genius contemporary composer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT:-Oh, joy ! British Sea Power's new tour kicks off in....... They certainly *do* seem to like their off-the-wall concert venues ! This will be my first time to see them 'in the flesh' , so to speak, but I saw'em on 'Later' a while back:- If you've seen them before maybe you could tell me this:- what's the deal with the lump of real or ersatz woodland that they had with them for stage decor ? Is that a regular feature of their gigs, then?... and while we're about it, the dude in the Tommy's 'soupdish' helmet beating the crap out of a bass-drum among the crowd:- what's *that* about ? Still, I am looking forward to them...........:-) BTW, I was speaking to someone yesterday, who's son is in the music biz in London, and he reckons that BSP *may* be about to get the ol' heave-ho (me hearties) from their label, on account of sales of 'Open Season' not coming up to Rough Trade's expectations. Anyone here in aposition to know if that's true or not? My friend *has* been known to bullshit occasionally......;-) The record's had good reveiws, but I personally have no idea whatsoever how it's translated to sales........... Andrew Lumbard wrote: Derek wrote: > It'll be Brookes Uni for me to see them for the 4th time. We saw them the first time around in an audience of about 50, the Oxford tour date is now catering for 1000+. Should be a good night. I see they are playing some slate mining caves in Cornwall, The Carngleze Caverns, where Talon have already sold out for this Saturday's concert! (Xenophobes, Insert your own joke here) http://www.carnglaze.com/rock_concerts_1.htm AndyL - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:04:08 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ATL Gang of 4 question i think you're right -- right after i sent that, it occurred to me that i might be thinking about army. i've long confused the too, probably because (if memory serves) they came out on the same 7" (that i don't particularly care for). dan - -------------- Original message from cortinas rool : -------------- > dpbailey@att.net wrote: > > >haven't seen 'em in some 23 years, but i seem to recall him doing something > like that (pre-microwave, of course -- would've taken at least 2 guys back then > to hold one of the '82 versions up long enough for a sound thrashing!) during > outside the trains don't run on time ... > > > >dan > > > >that's what i kept thinking but it's not on the set list...not that people > don't deviate but i think it's he'd send in the army > > > > > > np:outside the trains don't run on time > > > > >-------------- Original message from "P J Kane" : > -------------- > > > > > > > > > >>this might be applicable to others who have seen them on tour lately: > >> > >>what was the song that they were playing when he beat the microwave to pieces? > >>i am drawing a total blank here... > >> > >>Jason? Tim? anyone else who saw them on tour (since they might have done the > >>same song all tour). > >> > >>thanks. > >> > >>PJK > >> > >>please don't hate me because i can't type..... > >>--- > >>All the cool kids are doing it: > >>HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:07:41 GMT From: "P J Kane" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT:-Oh, joy ! British Sea Power's new tour kicks off in....... << what's the deal with the lump of real or ersatz woodland that they had with them for stage decor ? Is that a regular feature of their gigs, then? >> i have seen BSP twice in Atlanta, and both times they had local foliage dressing the stage. i guess it's part of their gimmick. << and while we're about it, the dude in the Tommy's 'soupdish' helmet beating the crap out of a bass-drum among the crowd:- what's *that* about ? >> encouraging audience participation, i guess. it would be a shame for them to lose their contract after only 2 albums. i think that "Open Season" is weaker than the first, but by no means an awful album. i think that they have good things ahead of them.... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:18:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robbie Williams and Send Whatever, I think the case for the prosecution has been proven. It's not as if he'd have to look far, alphabetically speaking. *Can* you 'do' someone for plagiarism for 'borrowing' (ahem) an image/concept just as you can for music? A possible side project perhaps. Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > Am I missing something? I just get the same page from each link? > > Aw..I was expecting a funny Photoshop hybrid of the Send sleeeve with > Robbie's new one...maybe someone could do one! Its crying out for it! > Sorry - I was just providing a link that I didn't have to cut and paste into a browser. Cheers, Paul - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:29:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Boards of Moondog etc Hope I'm not tempting fate if this isn't true, but isn't the man deceased? Have vague memories of arriving home from the pub one Friday night when some kind of documentary short film about him and his work was on, but it could have been D.T's or other hallucinatory interlude .......;-) David McKenzie wrote: On 10/24/05, Tim wrote: > > ...Intrigued by this Moondog compilation thats just been re-released. I've > heard snippets which I found quite interesting. Anyone else know more > about it? it or him? if him, the best source of information is moondog hissself he has a website and sells some archival stuff there fairly well rated a genius contemporary composer - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:33:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT:-Oh, joy ! British Sea Power's new tour kicks off in....... Agreed it'd be a bit premature on Rough Trade's part. My friend theorised that it's perhaps because the age group their stuff seems to appeal to most (25-35-ish) are often encumbered by v.young kids, and buying records may come a distant 2nd to buying nappies, buggies etc. But like I said, he is prone to bullshit. ;-) P J Kane wrote: << what's the deal with the lump of real or ersatz woodland that they had with them for stage decor ? Is that a regular feature of their gigs, then? >> i have seen BSP twice in Atlanta, and both times they had local foliage dressing the stage. i guess it's part of their gimmick. << and while we're about it, the dude in the Tommy's 'soupdish' helmet beating the crap out of a bass-drum among the crowd:- what's *that* about ? >> encouraging audience participation, i guess. it would be a shame for them to lose their contract after only 2 albums. i think that "Open Season" is weaker than the first, but by no means an awful album. i think that they have good things ahead of them.... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:40:32 -0700 From: "mr. kamakazi" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Boards of Moondog etc Ari wrote: >Moondog used to (in the mid 60's) stand on a corner in >N.Y playing his music with a bowl for people to throw >money into. >He was 'situated' not too far from a recording >company's H.Q, story has it that one day one of the >'scouts' for that company was walking to work when he >heard Moodog playing, he was so impressed that he >invited Moondog into the studio. >The rest is history,as they say, I oft tripped out on >his music in the late 60's,he was a standard 'must >have' in those daze. A > >--- David McKenzie wrote: > > > >>On 10/24/05, Tim wrote: >> >> >>>...Intrigued by this Moondog compilation thats >>> >>> >>just been re-released. I've >> >> >>>heard snippets which I found quite interesting. >>> >>> >>Anyone else know more >> >> >>>about it? >>> >>> >> it or him? >>if him, the best source of information is moondog >>hissself >>he has a website and sells some archival stuff there >> fairly well rated a genius contemporary composer >> >> >> > > >little do you know that I know a little about the little that you know > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > big brother and the holding company (w/ janis joplin) covered 'all is lonliness' on their first album.on mainstream records with a host of other tunes i'm sure they would just as soon forget. i knew james gurley, the guitarist. what a ragingly good player. i also went to sell dope, this is decades ago, with peter tork of the monkees, to david crosby. we were in the house and it stank so bad i asked if we could go outside. we went and sat out by the pool which had about 6 inches of algae floating on top. a woman came out david introduced as his wife who had no teeth. though he continued to be a customer, i never went back. later on, i got a call from ron, one of the horn players in tower of power, that a certain mr. richards, who we had all been told was clean for years, needed a little something for the show. no problem i said. the stones sent a helicopter from the oakland coliseum to the roof of san francisco general hospital and from there ron took a cab to my place and then back. funny world, is it not? that was in the 80's. and in the words of the hokum boys-"we don't sell it here no more". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:54:39 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Boards of Moondog etc > Hope I'm not tempting fate if this isn't true, but isn't the man deceased? > according to the site, Sept. 8th last year. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:56:47 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Boards of Moondog etc >> Hope I'm not tempting fate if this isn't true, but isn't the man >> deceased? >> > > according to the site, Sept. 8th last year. > And, poking around a little further in the official site, yields the official date - 9 Sept. 1999. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:38:26 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [CD REVIEWS] Where's the Buffalo? (was Re: [idealcopy] OOIOO) indeed psychic is one of my top picks of last year and i was aces as well and Long Life Story Of Miss Cro-magnon features DMBQ covering the Sons of Altair track to drasticly different ends in short, i am a fan indeed On 10/25/05, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > > Gold and Green album by the "band" OOIOO is excellent. Recently picked > > this > > up ,and it is one of the few pieces of modern music in a long time that > > captured me away in a way I thought only possible by Tago Mago or Faust > > IV. > > > > > > There's been an overwhelming positive response to this review on > IdealCopy. > Based on this and other comments, I'll definitely have to check them out - > they sound right up my alley. But, I must admit, I'm surprised there's not > more list mention of Buffalo Daughter. From the OOIOO I've heard - which > isn't as much as I'd like - and my own limited knowledge of German music > history - I'd say Buffalo Daughter would be the "Neu" compared to OOIOO's > "Can". > > Buffalo Daughter isn't quite as avant garde - i.e. no jazz here and > they're > much more cut'n'paste than noise based - but some of their songs really > hit > that "Motorik" (sp?) feel. Unfortunately, they really haven't made a > completely unified album, although New Rock and Psyhchic are very close. > I'd say start with Psyhchic or New Rock if you can find them used. > > Unfortunately, most of their CDs are out of print, unless you live in > Japan. > In the US, they were signed to the Beastie Boys "Grand Royale" label that > unfortunately went bankrupt. "I" came out thru Emperor Norton, who then > dropped them. Their latest, Psyhchic, never even had U.S. distribution - > but it came out on V2 in Europe, and should be easy to find. (The Japanese > edition of Psyhchic is an SACD that actually sounds like it's high > definition. I think they must have recorded it using Sony's DSD system.) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Sidebar: I have a few DVD-A's and SACD's. For the most part, with my > Pioneer player, the DVD-A's sound really great, and the SACDs don't sound > that much different from the CDs. It seems that the SACD effect is more > subtle than the raw higher bitrate and bitdepth of DVD-A. The SACDs that > sound significantly better seem to be 100% SACD - remastering to SACD > doesn't seem to yield the sonic benefits that remastering to DVD-A yields. > Just my opinions, mind you. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Album Discography (+ my ratings out of 5): > > Captain Vapor Atheletes (Grand Royale) (**1/2) - too cut'n'paste, but a > couple of Buffalo Daughter's classic songs are on this one. I will admit > that I haven't spun this one in quite a while - it might be a bit better > than I'm remembering it. I'm gonna have to go find this one in the moving > boxes. > > New Rock (Grand Royale) (****) - Probably their best statement - still > cut'n'pasty, but they stretch out on this one, and that makes all the > difference. Be sure to checkout Super Blooper and Sky High. > > I (Emperor Norton) (***) - Too safe, oddly enough. Sounds like they tried > too hard. Still, Volcanic Girl is a perfect slice of guitar pop. The > Japanese edition includes a bonus track with Cibo Matto - I think that's > probably one of the last things Cibo Matto ever worked on. > > Psyhchic (V2) (****1/2) - Repetition to the fore on this one. Cyclic > (which > you can hear on my 9 Sep. 2005 podcast) sets the tone. With 5 tracks, I > know it looks like an EP, but Cyclic is 10 minutes long, and 303 LIVE is > 20 > minutes! > > Okay - that's enough rambling from me. See what happens when I'm drinking > my morning coffee? ^_^ > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:32:44 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [CD REVIEWS] Okay - it's weird. Customers who bought music by Catherine Wheel also bought music by these artists: Lush Curve Wire Placebo Felt Glowing reviews for Adam and Eve at amazon.co.uk and the above, which made me smile. Can't say A&E is weird - quite rocky, quite Floyd in place (not surprising since Bob Ezrin takes some production credits). Enjoying it so far. Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Pietromonaco [mailto:weasel_bot@hotmail.com] Sent: 24 October 2005 21:04 To: IdealCopy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [CD REVIEWS] Okay - it's weird. > I bought a copy of Adam and Eve from my local library when they > were offloading it for a whole #1, but thus far it's had one playing, > and that was when I had a few friends round so can't say I really > took it in. Worth the effort of digging it out again, is it? ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:55:53 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [CD REVIEWS] Okay - it's weird. > Can't say A&E is weird - quite rocky, quite Floyd in place (not surprising > since Bob Ezrin takes some production credits). Enjoying it so far. > Yeah - I'll clarify that a little. It's not challenging because of "weirdness" - it's challenging because of its subdued nature. The first 3 Catherine Wheel albums (Ferment, Chrome, Happy Days) are very "hooky". The albums are basically singles collections, with occasionally some longer arrangements. (In fact, Ferment *is* a collection of their original singles re-recorded, with some new material added.) Then, Catherine Wheel released a collection of their B-sides called "Like Cats And Dogs". Oddly enough - even though these songs were B-sides, and recorded at very different times and different studios, it sounded like a thematic whole. They had a very similar feel too - mostly quiet and subdued. It worked so well that many people who heard it thought they were listening to a new album - not a compilation. This B-sides collection sequenced so well that I think the band got the idea that they would like to try to create an album like that from scratch. That led to Adam & Eve. So - the challenging part about Adam & Eve is the flow of the record. To greatly oversimplify, it's not set up in 3 minute bursts. There are definite songs - it's certainly not Tales From Topographic Oceans ^_^ - but much of the strength of this record comes from the sum of its parts. After Adam & Eve, Catherine Wheel released Wishville, which I touched on in my previous e-mail. (Recap - lost founding member, writer's block, short CD, demo-ish production.) And... well, that's it. They broke up after that. It would be great if they'd release an anthology - I understand there's almost an album's worth of b-sides and outtakes from Ferment alone - but I haven't heard of anything yet. Rob's solo CD is worth a spin - when I get my next podcast done later today, there will be a track from him on there. In fact, if I remember correctly, it's one of the Catherine Wheel outtakes I was talking about earlier. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:38:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Free databurn prog. This Prog. www.burn4free.com burns data to dvd/c.d and is free, it's not as 'advamced' as progs one pays for, but I just burned 10 episodes of battlestar galactica series 2 (Divx) that were on my computer. great if you download divx files on bit torrents. A __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:10:22 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] franz/kate thoughts? Um, there's been no discussion of the Kate Bush album because it's not out until 7 November, Paul. The single has rather grown on me having heard it half a dozen times, although I haven't bought it despite the presence of Kate's version of Sexual Healing on the B side. Cripes. And if you're calling The Sensual World dreary you can see me afterwards. As for the FF, I haven't heard it and I'm in no real hurry to, although would happily listen to it if it is lent to me / in the library. But there are more pressing listens - the new Arab Strap, the Robert Wyatt concert from 1974, The Fiery Furnaces - which I don't have yet. I was in Fopp yesterday and they were playing the new Burt Bacharach and I must say I was rather drawn to it in a curious, 70s, sort of way. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com Sent: 25 October 2005 12:40 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] franz/kate thoughts? after a lot of talk before the event , not heard much comment here on the kate bush or franz albums after people have heard them. franz album i downloaded and i'm struggling to reconcile what i'm hearing with all the 5-star reviews. its ok , but hardly anything earth-shattering and very much more of the same. bit dull really. not heard the KB opus but the last 2 were really dreary IMO so i hope they're better than that. i suspect the lack of discussion does not point to anyone being overimpressed? shame i missed later. goldfrapp sounded "entertaining". p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:21:16 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] ATL Gang of 4 question It's 'He'd send in the Army'. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of P J Kane Sent: 25 October 2005 16:21 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] ATL Gang of 4 question this might be applicable to others who have seen them on tour lately: what was the song that they were playing when he beat the microwave to pieces? i am drawing a total blank here... Jason? Tim? anyone else who saw them on tour (since they might have done the same song all tour). thanks. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:42:24 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ATL Gang of 4 question > what was the song that they were playing when he beat the microwave to pieces? He'd send in the army. The highlight of the set at all the three Go4 gigs I've seen this year. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:45:59 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:-Oh, joy ! British Sea Power's new tour kicks off in....... >>They certainly *do* seem to like their off-the-wall concert venues ! This will be my first time to see them 'in the flesh' , so to speak, but I saw'em on 'Later' a while back:- If you've seen them before maybe you could tell me this:- what's the deal with the lump of real or ersatz woodland that they had with them for stage decor ? Is that a regular feature of their gigs, then?...<< Yes. Locally hewn boughs of trees, plus plastic decoy owls, herons etc adorn the stage. >> and while we're about it, the dude in the Tommy's 'soupdish' helmet beating the crap out of a bass-drum among the crowd:- what's *that* about ? << The helmet was auctioned off for charity I think. Eamon (the guy who plays the big drum, but mainly is the keyboard player) is the guy who sings in the Brakes. >> Still, I am looking forward to them...........:-) BTW, I was speaking to someone yesterday, who's son is in the music biz in London, and he reckons that BSP *may* be about to get the ol' heave-ho (me hearties) from their label, on account of sales of 'Open Season' not coming up to Rough Trade's expectations. Anyone here in aposition to know if that's true or not? My friend *has* been known to bullshit occasionally......;-) The record's had good reveiws, but I personally have no idea whatsoever how it's translated to sales...........<< No idea - Rough Trade hardly seems the sort of label to go chucking people off though! Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #292 *******************************