From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #290 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, October 24 2005 Volume 08 : Number 290 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT jools [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] [CD REVIEWS] Okay - it's weird. [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] O.T: remixed Talking Heads dualdisc release ["P J Kane" <] Re: [idealcopy] O.T: remixed Talking Heads dualdisc release [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] OT:-Oh, joy ! British Sea Power's new tour kicks off in....... [MarkBursa] [idealcopy] OOIOO [Circlejerk04@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT:-Oh, joy ! British Sea Power's new tour kicks off in....... [MarkBursa] Re: [idealcopy] Simon Reynolds [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT jools [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT jools [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] [CD REVIEWS] Okay - it's weird. ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] [idealcopy] this is hilarious OT OT OT [cortinas rool ] Re: [idealcopy] this is hilarious OT OT OT [Ari ] [idealcopy] Robbie Williams and Send ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Robbie Williams and Send ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] [idealcopy] OT : Boards of Moondog etc [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] OT : Boards of Moondog etc [Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT jools I found myself in front of Top of the pops yesterday, and as luck would have it, Goldfrapp were on doing 'Number one' (as cynical a title as say, "Radio Radio", or "On the/my Radio" in terms of wishful thinking). Anyway, whilst they were lip-syncing their way through it, some text scrolled underneath the main pic, informing us that 'Alison has rejected the very idea of ever employing a stylist, as (quote) " she finds the very idea of someone else dressing her as 'bizarre'........not half as bizarre as some of the get-up she's sported in the last couple of years. So at least now, when we see her "in an outfit that would have made Elton John wince", the blame lies squarely and exclusively with her........... It's a bit sad watching a band who's first outing showed some promise, turning into some cheesy hybrid between Dr Frankenstein's attempt to fuse Giorio Moroder & Soft Cell, and some tacky low-rent burlesque. I'd have still taken the ticket, though.....;-) Ian B wrote: I taped Later, and let it roll as I was reading this afternoon. I normally forward through the interviews as, unlike Jools, I find them embarrasing. But it was worth this one to see Alison Goldfrapp cringe in an 'oh my god what did I look like' kind of way, at the prospect of him running a brief clip of her from 1994 duetting with Tricky on 'Pumpkin' only to return a few minutes later in an outfit that would have made Elton John wince. I got offered a free ticket for Goldfrapp in Leeds the other week. I declined. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek White . As regards their stage > 'presentation', I think they're *either* getting some > bad advice, or let's just say Alison G's losing a > sense of proportion, , and leave it at that........ - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 04:26:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [CD REVIEWS] Okay - it's weird. I bought a copy of Adam and Eve from my local library when they were offloading it for a whole #1, but thus far it's had one playing, and that was when I had a few friends round so can't say I really took it in. Worth the effort of digging it out again, is it? Paul Pietromonaco wrote: ...........................................guess what I've been listening to non-stop? Yeah, that's right, the Rob Dickinson. If the name rings a bell, it should. He's the lead singer of Catherine Wheel. And, as a solo CD, there's no surprises here. It sounds like a very good Catherine Wheel CD, but a little quieter. (i.e. there's more acoustic guitar and piano ballads). The members of Catherine Wheel even guest on two tracks that may have been from an abortive attempt to make a new Catherine Wheel album. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 04:31:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: remixed Talking Heads dualdisc release .......accompanied by several flashing amber lights and a chorus of klaxons. It sounds like a clunker of monumental proportions in the making. Unless FBS's contribution is restricted to his usual stock-in-trade of playing someone else's music and waving his arms in the air grinning inanely. Under those circumstances he might not be audible.......... PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote:also of interest to talking heads fans might be a forthcoming musical about the life of imelda marcos , which is a collaboration between david byrne and fatboy slim. who does precisely what in this collboration i know not , but i can sense a red warning triangle hovering over the concept. p - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 05:00:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: [idealcopy] OT:-Oh, joy ! British Sea Power's new tour kicks off in....... ....my home town, Barrow. I Don't know what it is with these guys: last year they did a gig in Grasmere village hall, about half an hours drive from here, and similarly off-the-beaten track (some may say isolated....;-)) Whatever, I've got my ticket, and it will make such a n extremely rare and pleasant change to go see a band of *that* standard, where I don't have the problem of either being *utterly* stranded overnight, a long drive, or the prospect of spending several hours waiting around for trains, buses etc. The place they're playing is the "Canteen Media and arts centre".......to say the least it's an odd venue:- it is what it says:- the former works canteen of the Vickers shipyards. Maybe BSP thought that given their name, they'd go and play in a place where evidence of 'The Decline of British Sea Power" is all around....... This' ll be the first event there, and I hope it works because the prospect of a ten-minute totter home across the dock bridge and a hill sure beats an entire day of travel weariness. Here's to more. You folks that *don't* live in the back end of beyond are lucky to have so many choices of entertainments:- this , to me, is almost cause for dancing in the street. How sad is that ? ;-) And by the way, I *really* like their new-ish CD.......... - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:35:52 -0400 From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Goldfrapp again Personally I've been enjoying the most recent album quite as much as the first two, although it probably comes under the heading of ear-candy more than they do. Just had a pretty definitive reaction to the Jools performance from a mate which I thought I'd pass on. Howard - ----- a lesson from goldfrapp - having no eyebrows only really worked for bowie. Also do not get dressed in the dark. I thought she looked like a peroxide frog dressed up in pan's people's cast-offs. disappointing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:06:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] a (small) tribute to Alistair This from Mike at www.antisoshal.com Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 05:28:03 +0200 To: threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com From: "Antisoshal Video" View Contact Details View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Subject: 2 new DVDs and a friend passing... Suzi Quatro and Bauhause/Chrome In Memory of Alistair Tear: Allistair was the fine gentleman who sent me his EN tapes to convert to a dvd set so he could share it with members of his fan board. Unfortunately he died last Tuesday without ever seeing them. Please remember him for a moment, even though you may not have known him. Also, please enjoy every minute of tomorrow. And the day after that. Its why we are here. Dont get so wrapped up in things that you forget to have a smile, or tap your toes to a song. As always, the whole shpeel is at www.antisoshal.com __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:07:25 +0200 From: giluz Subject: [idealcopy] History of Minimal Compact http://www.shaister.com/archives/000864.html That's a quite accurate short review of the band's history - a few minor mistakes only. cheers giluz - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:06:12 GMT From: "P J Kane" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: remixed Talking Heads dualdisc release << I guess this was probably discussed here at length a few months back, but what did you think about that Wire piece in Simon Reynold's "Rip It Up" book? >> i haven't finished it yet. his writing style is so dry and uninteresting that i have been unable to finish it. it feels like reading dry academic text.... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: remixed Talking Heads dualdisc release - --- P J Kane wrote: > << I guess this was probably discussed here at > length a few months back, but what did you think > about that Wire piece in Simon Reynold's "Rip It Up" > book? >> > > i haven't finished it yet. his writing style is so > dry and uninteresting that i have been unable to > finish it. it feels like reading dry academic > text.... > > PJK My thoughts exactly P.J, it shall sit on my shelf 'till I take a long trip........... (s'long as I'm not driving of course) A > > please don't hate me because i can't type..... > --- > All the cool kids are doing it: > HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:35:36 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: remixed Talking Heads dualdisc release On 10/24/05, P J Kane wrote: > > i haven't finished it yet. his writing style is so dry and uninteresting > that i have been unable to finish it. it feels like reading dry academic > text.... > I actually would have been glad if it was more academic and less journalistic - maybe it's academic in the sense of first year in college but not more than that. But it is dry and, quite amazingly for someone who's lived throughout those years, not even remotely personal but very distant. Again I compare it with England's Dreaming (best book about music culture ever written, i think): the personal recollections of Savage from the punk era, taken from his diaries, are stirring and disturbing - they get right to your stomach and make a very strong emotional impression. Whereas, for example, when Reynolds relates how he was taken with the early Scritti Politti, when he was 14, there's nothing there that connects you with this 14 year old kid - He's just not there. Also, most of the artists mentioned in the 2nd half of the book aren't even worth mentioning and are post-punk only in the sense that they came several years after punk happened. cheers giluz - -- Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:51:17 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: remixed Talking Heads dualdisc release > But it is dry and, quite amazingly for someone who's lived throughout those > years, not even remotely personal but very distant. Again I compare it with > England's Dreaming (best book about music culture ever written, i think): > the personal recollections of Savage from the punk era, taken from his > diaries, are stirring and disturbing - they get right to your stomach and > make a very strong emotional impression. Ah! So it gets better then... ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:55:14 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:-Oh, joy ! British Sea Power's new tour kicks off in....... > And by the way, I *really* like their new-ish CD.......... Anyone else like The Brakes single - All Night Disco Party? Aren't they BSP's drummers other band or something like that. (Mark?) It's like Kraftwerk playing cheesy disco, and is one of my fave singles of the yr. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:50:01 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: remixed Talking Heads dualdisc release > i haven't finished it yet. his writing style is so dry and uninteresting that i have been unable to finish it. it feels like reading dry academic text.... I feel much the same way about England's Dreaming though I accept I'm in a minority here. A year or so later and I still haven't got beyond the history of the shop. Frankly The History of B&Q would be more rivetting, no DIY pun intended. K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:46:59 -0700 From: cortinas rool Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: remixed Talking Heads dualdisc release Derek White wrote: >.......accompanied by several flashing amber lights and a chorus of klaxons. It sounds like a clunker of monumental proportions in the making. Unless FBS's contribution is restricted to his usual stock-in-trade of playing someone else's music and waving his arms in the air grinning inanely. Under those circumstances he might not be audible.......... > >PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote:also of interest to talking heads fans might be a forthcoming musical about > > >the life of imelda marcos , the shoe lady...more shoes than rod stewart...i guess they used david and fatboy because the band "the shoes" were unavailable? > > which is a collaboration between david byrne and >fatboy slim. > > who does precisely what in this collboration i know not , but i >can sense a red warning triangle hovering over the concept. p > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:04:33 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: remixed Talking Heads dualdisc release some 15 years on, i've still read only several chunks of england's dreaming (a very bad habit i have with many works of nonfiction), though if you add them all together i *may* have perused the entire thing. offhand, though, i'd say savage's discographical essay at the end is very nearly worth the price of admission, or at least it was in 1990, when one couldn't sit down at a computer & go trawling for info. reynolds' lack of that feature is, i think, a real handicap, though i know the equivalent showed up online a couple of months after the book came out. i think that link is no longer functioning, though i printed the whole thing out & have it stowed at home somewhere. at any rate, i liked reynolds' book well enough, not that it really told me much that i didn't already know -- an occupational hazard (which applies to england's dreaming, too, not suprisingly) when one has been absorbing the music & info pertaining thereto for well over 2 decades, of course. i haven't read the book in probably at least 6 months (so eager was i to get it that i ordered it from amazon.uk, my first ever purchase from them) & so don't recall a whole lot of details, but i do agree (as someone has said) that several of the later chapter were unwarranted at best. i'm thinking particularly of the chapter on sst. most obvious omission, in my eyes -- the screamers. dan - -------------- Original message from "Keith A" : -------------- > > i haven't finished it yet. his writing style is so dry and uninteresting > that i have been unable to finish it. it feels like reading dry academic > text.... > > I feel much the same way about England's Dreaming though I accept I'm in a > minority here. > > A year or so later and I still haven't got beyond the history of the shop. > Frankly The History of B&Q would be more rivetting, no DIY pun intended. > > K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:53:10 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT jools > It's a bit sad watching a band who's first outing showed some promise, turning into some cheesy hybrid between Dr Frankenstein's attempt to fuse Giorio Moroder & Soft Cell, and some tacky low-rent burlesque. You say that like it's a bad thing! ; ) If I'd never heard Goldfrapp and I read that in a music rag, I would be on the look out for it! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:20:51 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:-Oh, joy ! British Sea Power's new tour kicks off in....... >>Anyone else like The Brakes single - All Night Disco Party? Aren't they BSP's drummers other band or something like that. (Mark?)<< BSP's keyboard player's the singer - two of the others are in Electric Soft Parade. Brakes are a Brighton indie supergroup (!). Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:26:24 EDT From: Circlejerk04@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OOIOO Gold and Green album by the "band" OOIOO is excellent. Recently picked this up ,and it is one of the few pieces of modern music in a long time that captured me away in a way I thought only possible by Tago Mago or Faust IV. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:25:54 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:-Oh, joy ! British Sea Power's new tour kicks off in....... >>The place they're playing is the "Canteen Media and arts centre".......to say the least it's an odd venue:- it is what it says:- the former works canteen of the Vickers shipyards. Maybe BSP thought that given their name, they'd go and play in a place where evidence of 'The Decline of British Sea Power" is all around.......<< I'd say that's precisely why they're playing there! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:25:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Simon Reynolds >>I guess this was probably discussed here at length a few months back, but what did you think about that Wire piece in Simon Reynolds's "Rip It Up" book? I thought it was lacking in, well everything mostly. Apart from the Wire/Talking Heads comparison (oh yeah - they were both artschool wankers working with British producers, and that's about where it ends for me).<< Given the task of tying together a vast array of disparate strands, I thought it was a fair comparison. Also makes good use of the Eno link. >> I mean the book itself has some good parts, and it certainly brought back some stuff I haven't heard in ages and some stuff I never heard before, but the whole structure is problematic, and there's hardly any overall look with a decent cultural analysis of why processes happen.<< Oh, come on. It's a BOOK not a dissertation. And frankly it's the best book you're going to get on the subject. For me, SR is one of the few authors who can walk the tightrope between entertaining writer and trainspotter, essential skills when attempting to cover such a lot of ground. >> There are very good descriptions of small scenes but nothing that actually connects the whole thing together.<< That's precisely the point. there was nothing that connected "the whole thing" together. It was a series of regional "scenes" - there was no "whole thing". If you want an analysis of the socio-economic/political factors that caused post-punk, they're the same as caused punk - read John Savage's book for that stuff. Post-punk is simply a convenient tag to unite all the stuff that came through in the aftermath of punk (and some of the misfit stuff that existed BEFORE punk) - but avoided punk's structures, which had become codified and repetitive by 1978 anyway. For post-punk bands to reject the regulation punk sound in favour of different soundscapes was as logical than rejecting prog. >>And the epilogue simply sucks.<< Why? Reynolds' view of music from 84 onwards is pretty consistent with my own experience. Be interested in hearing why you think it "sucks". >>Also, his insistence on connecting theory and praxis in such a linear way is simplistic. Good art never emerges from theory in that sort of clean modernist art school way he describes. it is the small coincidences and the way certain people connect that make it happen, in short: sex & drugs and rockn'roll.<< Not sure I understand what you mean. Sounds like a simplistic view. In fact much of what was created during post-punk was indeed "theorised". What you say never happens actually did. >> In Jon Savage's England's Dreaming, there's that part where he describes the way the NY Dolls were dressed, and after going through the theory part he finishes with the quote: "...they were putting on make-up because these young, beautiful girls liked it". In that same book you can find just a few sentences about the early Wire, that sum up and explain them much better than half the episode of Reynolds' book.<< Your point being? Are you saying Wire's raison d'jtre was to get laid? Should have kept George in the band with his sweaty blues licks! >>But it is dry and, quite amazingly for someone who's lived throughout those years, not even remotely personal but very distant.<< But Reynolds didn't actually experience it - if I have a problem with the book (and I have a few minor issues, as you'd expect! ;-)) it's that it's written from the perspective of a 14-year-old fanboy experiencing post-punk from a suburban bedroom, via the John Peel Show and the NME. He didn't actually see or experience the bands - so there's a distance in some of the commentary, and just a little "received wisdom" creeping in. So your analysis is accurate - - Reynolds knowledge base has expanded after the event to enable him to write the book.... >>Again I compare it with England's Dreaming (best book about music culture ever written, i think): the personal recollections of Savage from the punk era, taken from his diaries, are stirring and disturbing - they get right to your stomach and make a very strong emotional impression.<< Absolutely - because Savage WAS there. Reynolds wasn't. Though JS can be as dry and academic as anyone. >> Whereas, for example, when Reynolds relates how he was taken with the early Scritti Politti, when he was 14, there's nothing there that connects you with this 14 year old kid - He's just not there.<< Ah, but it's not about him - that's where I guess you and I disagree on the book - there's almost too much of Savage in his book. Reynolds knows he can't feature in his own book - a lot of the disparate scenes are so distant he can only have discovered them later. I consider my own knowledge of the period to be pretty decent by any yardstick, yet I knew absolutely nothing about, say, Mission of Burma until about 5 years ago. RIUASA isn't - can't be - a memoir. Savage's book can - because he is concentrating mainly on the London punk scene - in which he was a participant. By the same token, England's Dreaming is fairly weak on provincial punk. >>Also, most of the artists mentioned in the 2nd half of the book aren't even worth mentioning and are post-punk only in the sense that they came several years after punk happened.<< I agree that the "new pop" stuff really belongs somewhere else - but the book needs to be commercial so it has to cover some ground. Chapters on the Human League, ABC, Frankie etc are more relevant to post-punk than, as Dan says, SST - at least the members of those British pop bands came out of post-punk. And their rejection of post-punk in favour of TOTP put us down the road to "record collection rock" as the next generation inevitably kicked against the new establishment. SST was pretty much a punk revival label, albeit one very close to the initial event. You might as well include the Oi! movement, or Crass. For the same reason the likes of Creation Records don't merit inclusion - in its initial incarnation McGee's label is essentially a 60s/70s revivalist label, run under punk rules. And of course, Creation is covered exhaustively in Dave Cavanagh's excellent book. Reynolds fits between that and England's Dreaming to give an excellent continuum of British alternative music from 1976 - 1999 Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:41:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT jools >>1. Goldfrapp's drummer is Ali Score out of A Flock of Seagulls<< Only you would know that! >>2. Alison Goldfrapp's interview persona is almost identical to that of brothel madam Cynthia Payne.<< Excellent. Strict machine indeed. It's more of the same really - less modern, more a straight glam/80s synthpop fusion. She's even more like Noosha Fox now too! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:12:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT jools - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > >>2. Alison Goldfrapp's interview persona is almost >> identical to that of >> brothel madam Cynthia Payne.<< > Excellent. Strict machine indeed. > She's even more like Noosha Fox now too! ////////That should be "S-s-s-strict machine, then? I also agree with our own correspondent who remarked on her 'lack of eyebrows'.........:-) __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:04:16 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [CD REVIEWS] Okay - it's weird. > I bought a copy of Adam and Eve from my local library when they > were offloading it for a whole #1, but thus far it's had one playing, > and that was when I had a few friends round so can't say I really > took it in. Worth the effort of digging it out again, is it? Hiya! Adam & Eve is probably the most challenging (in a good way) of Catherine Wheel's albums. It's actually a concept album, but loosely structured - in the same way that OK Computer is a concept album. (In fact, they're contemporaries - recorded and released at about the same time.) One of the album's producers was Bob Ezrin - you know, the guy who produced The Wall. In fact, comparisons to Pink Floyd are not entirely unappropriate for this record. No - not the pomposity - but the epic sweep and quiet strength of this record. The record's concept is loosely the rise and fall of a famous musician. Possibly based on Kurt Cobain, a friend of Rob Dickinson. Rob had already touched on the Cobain story once with a song called "Hole" from the CD Happy Days. Lyric from "Hole": Deep down this boy can feel too much His flesh is weak he needs the satin crown Got balls intact despite the fact He'll curse his luck, his painful guts screwed up the path he followed Always the pretty songs for us to sing along and bust up This is the worst news I have heard alone and disturbed now He's divine this time When will you listen? No fake what does it take when will you listen When will you learn? You fuss you fight I don't think it's right That you pushed this man so deep down this hole Come back Come back Notice the dig at Courtney Love: "I don't think it's right that you pushed this man so deep down this hole". (Also - the title of the song.) She - or a character very similar to her - pops up again in Adam & Eve. This "Kurt and Courtney"-esque imagery pops up throughout Adam & Eve. Even the title of the record could be seen as a reference. Lyrics too - "If Superman and Sonic Youth are fairy tales/ It's time to face the truth/ You'll throw your life away/ A woman dressed as Baby Jane" from "Phantom of an American Mother". The songs Future Boy and Broken Nose touch on these themes too. Of note also is the Talk Talk connection. Tim Friese-Greene played on this album and brought a later period Talk Talk feel to the arrangements. (Laughing Stock is the reference point here.) So in conclusion - a very high-reaching album with some great songs. A little more subdued and epic sweep compared to their previous work. And their last album featuring the original line-up. I rate it pretty highly, but you have to be in the mood for it - it's not really a great singles collection. ^_^ Their next - and last - album Wishville was a let down after this one. They lost their bass player, switched labels, changed their name to "The Catherine Wheel" and suffered a tremendous bout of writer's block. Also, Wishville was only 40 minutes long, and production-wise sounded more like a collection of demos. That's what makes the two "Catherine Wheel" songs on his new solo CD so interesting. One review I'd read suggested that the two songs were Wishville out-takes revisited. My question is - why the heck weren't these on Wishville? One of them is amazing, the other pretty great. Anyway - that's enough rambling for now. I'd dust it off and give it a listen. Just don't expect immediate hooks. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:36:26 +0100 (BST) From: Monochromatic Man Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Talking Heads BRICK So, did anyone buy this yet? wnd3 Visit my sites for music downloads: http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ http://home.earthlink.net/~2signs/ http://home.netcom.com/~keepleft/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:01:51 -0700 From: cortinas rool Subject: [idealcopy] this is hilarious OT OT OT hey everyone... someone sent me a silly joke e-mail but i have to share it with you all. go to google.com (or google.ca or wherever you are) and type "failure" (without the quotes) in the search box and click on the "i'm feeling lucky" button. you will then be transported to ... well it's a surprise but it's not that surprising. np: miles & quincy: live at montreux ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:39:36 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OOIOO > Gold and Green album by the "band" OOIOO is excellent. Recently picked this > up ,and it is one of the few pieces of modern music in a long time that > captured me away in a way I thought only possible by Tago Mago or Faust IV. Not heard that, but have been playing Kila Kila Kila by them the last few days. My kids got it me for xmas last year - they said there was a Japanese theme and got me the battle Royale DVD, too! - and it's turned out to be a real grower. So did this one come 1st? K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:55:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] this is hilarious OT OT OT That's been around for a long time Ruben - --- cortinas rool wrote: > hey everyone... > > someone sent me a silly joke e-mail but i have to > share it with you > all. > > go to google.com (or google.ca or wherever you are) > and type "failure" > (without the quotes) in the search box and click on > the "i'm feeling > lucky" button. you will then be transported to ... > well it's a > surprise but it's not that surprising. > > > > > np: miles & quincy: live at montreux > If it's rum............drink it.................. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:04:55 -0700 From: cortinas rool Subject: Re: [idealcopy] this is hilarious OT OT OT Ari wrote: >That's been around for a long time Ruben....so have i....you been holding out on a homie! why didn't you tell me? that is so funny!!!! > >--- cortinas rool wrote: > > > >>hey everyone... >> >>someone sent me a silly joke e-mail but i have to >>share it with you >>all. >> >>go to google.com (or google.ca or wherever you are) >>and type "failure" >>(without the quotes) in the search box and click on >>the "i'm feeling >>lucky" button. you will then be transported to ... >>well it's a >>surprise but it's not that surprising. >> >> >> >> >>np: miles & quincy: live at montreux >> >> >> > > >If it's rum............drink it.................. > > > > np:havana moon chuck berry..cuz he talks about rum...seguing into luxury by the stones.cuz it says all the rum i'm gonna drink it..... oh and uh mr. ari.....what else are you holding out on me? >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: [idealcopy] 4AD 25th Anniversary To coincide with some shows http://www.4ad.com/frameset.html, 4AD will release a compilation that explores the highways and byways of the label's 25 year history. Curious if there will be a Colin Newman forgotten or remixed fish or other tracks on this. j Totally of topic, but on Dutch TV was a performance of Galina Ustvolskaya's 2nd symphony. It all reminded me a little to the early Swans, but now on classic instruments. Reinbert de Leeuw nearly headbanging behind his piano. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:00:53 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Robbie Williams and Send Anyone else seen the cover of the new Robbie Williams album? Looks like he may have come across Send while checking out if his CDs were correctly stacked in the local record shop: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000B5UL7G/ref=amb_right-1_3965 2547_1/026-8955831-4688434 another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:20:23 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Simon Reynolds Well as someone who was 3 when Johnny Strummer and Kilburn and the Hot Rods were first putting saftety pins in their ears and ripping their trousers...I have to say I rather enjoyed both 'Engalands Dreaming' and 'Rip it Up..' a lot. So maybe these books are more fun if you weren't there at the time... I can imagine some of you punk veterans get the same feeling from them I got when I read Ben Thompsons 'Sunshine On Putty' which is littered with factual errors about the early 90s comedy scene. Read Englands Dreaming when it came out and I found it quite inspiring. That was ten years ago though. Obviously I didn't know about a lot of the stuff in Reynolds book and it did make me want to go and find out about things like James Chance which I might not otherwise have picked up on. I am enjoying wading through Gimarcs enormous Punk Diary for the same reason. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:33:35 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robbie Williams and Send > Anyone else seen the cover of the new Robbie Williams album? Looks > like he may have come across Send while checking out if his CDs were > correctly stacked in the local record shop: > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000B5UL7G/ref=amb_right-1_3965 > 2547_1/026-8955831-4688434 > Or just try this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000B5UL7G/ Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:54:36 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OOIOO Keith A wrote: >>Gold and Green album by the "band" OOIOO is excellent. Recently picked > > this > >>up ,and it is one of the few pieces of modern music in a long time that >>captured me away in a way I thought only possible by Tago Mago or Faust > > IV. > > Not heard that, but have been playing Kila Kila Kila by them the last few > days. > So did this one come 1st? > This is a new one from them, came out last month apparently. I must admit although I'm a Boredoms fan I've never got around to OOIOO. Some soundbites here: http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=18853 http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=13061 Right up my street by the sounds of it, cheers y'all...I think I'll be investing in these. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:25:19 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] OT : Boards of Moondog etc Is it just me or is anyone else rather underwhelmed by the new Boards of Canada 'The Campfire Headphase'? Very dissapointing, complete backwards step from 'Geogaddi'. Pleasant enough, not crap by any means... but its a real blatant water-treading exercise. Even the sleeve looks so similar to 'Music Has the Right to Children' you could be forgiven for thinking its a redux version of the same. (Grainy, turquoise-tinted 70s stock photos of smiling children, couples waving from speedboats etc) Shame. Still loads of other good stuff out. Intrigued by this Moondog compilation thats just been re-released. I've heard snippets which I found quite interesting. Anyone else know more about it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:42:23 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Boards of Moondog etc On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 02:25:19AM +0100, Tim wrote: > Is it just me or is anyone else rather underwhelmed by the new Boards of > Canada 'The Campfire Headphase'? I really, really like it, but that might be because it reminds me a bit of Helios (who I've been quite into recently). Geogaddi never really clicked with me in the way MHTRTC or (especially) the ... Beautiful Place EP did, and I think the guitar stuff is an interesting way to go. Dayvan Cowboy and Hey Saturday Sun are wonderful. I was assuming you (Tim)'d be all over the Jackson and his Computer Band record - attention-deficit-disorder electro at its finest. Worth a listen, at least. Andrew (on a periodic drift away from guitars) - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | http://covertmusic.com/ | work: adw27@cam.ac.uk "interrupting my train of thought" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:44:24 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robbie Williams and Send Paul Pietromonaco wrote: >> Anyone else seen the cover of the new Robbie Williams album? Looks >> like he may have come across Send while checking out if his CDs were >> correctly stacked in the local record shop: >> >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000B5UL7G/ref=amb_right-1_3965 >> 2547_1/026-8955831-4688434 > > > Or just try this: > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000B5UL7G/ > > Cheers, > Paul > Am I missing something? I just get the same page from each link? Aw..I was expecting a funny Photoshop hybrid of the Send sleeeve with Robbie's new one...maybe someone could do one! Its crying out for it! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:57:08 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robbie Williams and Send > Am I missing something? I just get the same page from each link? > > Aw..I was expecting a funny Photoshop hybrid of the Send sleeeve with > Robbie's new one...maybe someone could do one! Its crying out for it! > Sorry - I was just providing a link that I didn't have to cut and paste into a browser. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #290 *******************************