From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #280 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, October 17 2005 Volume 08 : Number 280 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...?]....oops sorry keith [] Re: [idealcopy] Trainspotters guide to punk [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Trainspotters guide to punk [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Reintroduction................ [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Reintroduction................ [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] Trainspotters guide to punk ["Keith A" ] RE: [idealcopy] Trainspotters guide to punk ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Reintroduction................ [David McKenzie ] [idealcopy] Re:recommended blog [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] Re:recommended blog......zzzzzzzzzzzzzz [under moratorium] Re: [idealcopy] Re:recommended blog [strike the man ] [idealcopy] [OT] [David McKenzie ] Re: [idealcopy] Re:recommended blog ["he'll drive your car" Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...?]....oops sorry keith I think the ep that came out here a few months ago was an early release, dating back a couple of years, that was sold at some gigs back then. It's not live material and I don't think it was recorded at Maida Vale as they hadn't been to the UK then to the best of my knowledge. So if there's a Maida Vale set I haven't seen it in the UK. Maida Vale is usually used to record radio broadcasts, so it sounds like this may be a bootleg. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of nowhere man Sent: 16 October 2005 02:24 To: wi re Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...?]....oops sorry keith damn, derek, the e.p. is like, spooky great. singer says it was their first gig outside the states. thanks for the heads up on this one. really good. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek White" To: ; "idealcopy" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...?]....oops sorry keith > Nah, sadly this is just a single CD version:- however, > in the rack next to it was something purporting to be > a mini album:- slightly different lineup, about 6 > tracks on it for around 6UKP, or 6:45. > > Dunno if that's the Maida Vale session, or a demo or > something of that nature:- I didn't read further, just > headed for the till with 'Funeral' as the shop was > about to close. > > wrote: > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > > On a musical front, I went out today and took a > > punt > > >on the Arcade Fire's "Funeral". > > >Think I'm going to enjoy this...... > > >------------------------------------ > > >Oh you are, Derek, you are. Had this since late > > last year and it's > > >improved slowly as time has gone on, offering up > > more subtlety and > > >catchiness every play. Damn fine record. > > > > > >Another the Keith > > > in the u.s. it's one disc...the import is 2...you > > are taliking the 2 > > disc set? have you listened to live at bbc maida > > vale studios? > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:47:46 -0400 From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Trainspotters guide to punk George Gimarc was once (maybe still is?) of the Idealcopy parish! This was originally published as two separate books and is an essential purchase. I ordered the second volume directly from him and it came back with a nice message inside along the lines of "you know all this stuff anyway". Top bloke. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:49:24 -0400 From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Trainspotters guide to punk >>Anyway, worth having, especially if you want to beat Mark Bursa in a pub quiz,<< In yer dreams ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:42:42 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Reintroduction................ On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 04:21:11PM -0700, Derek White wrote: > A belated "Welcome back" to Dan from me too:- good to > hear from you again, and hope things are looking > brighter for you now......... > > And 'welcome' to Giluz from me, also. Ditto to both! Odds on the Rowland comeback shortening by the day, I reckon. He'd bloody despise my music though... Andrew - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | http://covertmusic.com/ | work: adw27@cam.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:24:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Lounging Lizard Giluz said: Any interesting stories? not much that isn't already known or obvious: he's weird and anti-social, ((( Yep, that fits in with stories I've heard too. he refrains from playing any live instrument and prefers to deal with devices instead. On one of the plays they wanted to add some live music and he completely freaked out from the thought of playing live onstage (well he didn't). Apparently this friend also claims to have copies of the music + other stuff by DC I've never heard. ((( Have you heard the album he made in 1998 with Angela Jaeger called Artificial Homeland ? It's rather good. On his own label, Piano. Features Charles Hayward drumming on a few tracks. Now... let me be the last last to welcome you back Giluz... and Dan.. good to have you both amongst us again.. Fergus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:45:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Reintroduction................ - --- Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: >>Ditto to both! Odds on the Rowland comeback shortening by the day, I reckon. He'd bloody despise my music though... Andrew<< Hope you're right Andrew (not the 'your music' bit), as a matter of interest, would anyone currently on the list object to his return to the fold? Ari If it's fun............do it.................. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:19:00 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] well, hell ... > This reminds me that I once saw P J Harvey do Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep > live as an encore in a slowed-down falsetto version - it took me some > time to recognise it, which I put down to years of disciplined > self-brainwashing. > > Another the Keith Trust Polly to go for the bleeding obvious. I'd respect her far more as an artist if she'd done Soley Soley ; ) K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:21:50 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Trainspotters guide to punk > Anyway, worth having, especially if you want to beat Mark Bursa in a pub > quiz, or simply have to know what Rip Rig & Panic were doing this time > 25 years ago. Making shit records, weren't they? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:42:55 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lounging Lizard ((( Have you heard the album he made in 1998 with > Angela Jaeger called Artificial Homeland ? It's rather > good. On his own label, Piano. Features Charles > Hayward drumming on a few tracks. i liked that too favorites are the Made to Measure "Water" and Voiceworks though i dl'ed grey scale from soulseek last year but after all the years of searching, not much would really have satisfied, especially in mp3 format (rather like MZUI, had i not been reissued - interesting, but needing corporal existance) Now... let me be the last last to welcome you back > Giluz... and Dan.. good to have you both amongst us > again.. nah - yer all way too quick wlcm bak g & d it's not been the same w'out ye on a minimal scale, all are heretofore instructed to sample some of the delites fom 360 degrees http://www.360degrees.net no mp3 samples there unfortunately ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:55:00 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Trainspotters guide to punk I've actually found myself namechecking Rip, Rig and Panic a few times this year - there's something in the air around bands like Acoustic Ladyland and Charlie Brown which remind me of them. Not that that's persuaded me to dig through the vinyl to see if I've still got their first album, mind. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith A Sent: 16 October 2005 17:22 To: Tim; Idealcopy@Smoe.Org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Trainspotters guide to punk > Anyway, worth having, especially if you want to beat Mark Bursa in a pub > quiz, or simply have to know what Rip Rig & Panic were doing this time > 25 years ago. Making shit records, weren't they? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:15:59 -0700 From: advantage in height Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lounging Lizard David McKenzie wrote: > ((( Have you heard the album he made in 1998 with > > >>Angela Jaeger called Artificial Homeland ? It's rather >>good. On his own label, Piano. Features Charles >>Hayward drumming on a few tracks. >> >> >do you use db power amp to convert sound quality of your files...it's free > > > i liked that too >favorites are the Made to Measure "Water" and Voiceworks though >i dl'ed grey scale from soulseek last year but after all the years of >searching, not much would really have satisfied, especially in mp3 format >(rather like MZUI, had i not been reissued - interesting, but needing >corporal existance) > >Now... let me be the last last to welcome you back > > >>Giluz... and Dan.. good to have you both amongst us >>again.. >> >> > > nah - yer all way too quick >wlcm bak g & d >it's not been the same w'out ye > on a minimal scale, all are heretofore instructed to sample some of the >delites fom 360 degrees >http://www.360degrees.net >no mp3 samples there unfortunately ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:27:05 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: well, hell... >Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:01:46 -0500 >From: "dan bailey" >Subject: [idealcopy] well, hell ... > >just got through reading the last couple of weeks' worth of post on the >archives & only thereby learned that the go4 evidently played atlanta just >a >week ago. i haven't been to a gig in well over a year (maybe even well over >*two* years ... Hey, hey! Good to see you back at the ranch, Dan. Your presence at the Gang Of Four gig would have been most welcome, as Paul and I were looking for other idealcopy folks. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:40:42 -0700 From: advantage in height Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: well, hell... Did you see anyone in a ski mask glowing in the dark?..............if it glows........do it........... Jason Rogers wrote: >> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:01:46 -0500 >> From: "dan bailey" >> Subject: [idealcopy] well, hell ... >> >> just got through reading the last couple of weeks' worth of post on the >> archives & only thereby learned that the go4 evidently played atlanta >> just a >> week ago. i haven't been to a gig in well over a year (maybe even >> well over >> *two* years ... > > > Hey, hey! Good to see you back at the ranch, Dan. Your presence at > the Gang Of Four gig would have been most welcome, as Paul and I were > looking for other idealcopy folks. > > > Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:29:18 -0700 From: Doug Wittner Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Trainspotters guide to punk the Gimarc diaries are super-fanastic, i highly recommend them to those who even have a passing interest in the heady days of post/punk. to those who have the new edition - does it contain additional material not in the originals? will definitely pick it up if so...also, wondering if it contains both additional cd's - if not, those new to the Diaries might want to seek the seperate editions, as the PostPunk Diaries' CD is especially interesting as it contains snippets from interviews with some of the more major players of the era - OMD, Furs, Teardrops, Pete Shelley, etc... judging from the cover pic on amazon, the originals had nicer covers as well, but that's of minor importance. makes a good reference guide when reading other texts like Rip It Up And Start Again and England's Dreaming, or just pick it up and check pages at random and start reading. always find something interesting i missed before.... and one of my (admittedly) tiny claims to fame is that i'm in the 'thanks' section of the second volume. heh. On 10/16/05, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > George Gimarc was once (maybe still is?) of the Idealcopy parish! This was originally published as two separate books and is an essential purchase. I ordered the second volume directly from him and it came back with a nice message inside along the lines of "you know all this stuff anyway". Top bloke. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:39:18 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] recommended blog this is a first form, posting blatantly political content to a music list (something which in general bothers me) but the quality of the writing and the content has brightened ever7y day of the week since i ran across http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/ solidly slanted against the current administration but unlike so much opposition materia, written by intelligent, articulat (and angry) folks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:41:37 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Reintroduction................ no objections here he *did* go a bit over the top at one time but (imho) he was also (for the most part) right bring it on On 10/16/05, Ari wrote: > > --- Andrew Walkingshaw > wrote: > > >>Ditto to both! Odds on the Rowland comeback > shortening by the day, I reckon. > He'd bloody despise my music though... > > Andrew<< > Hope you're right Andrew (not the 'your music' bit), > as a matter of interest, would anyone currently on the > list object to his return to the fold? > Ari > > If it's fun............do it.................. > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:32:06 +0100 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] EARLY WIRE I'm not convinced the source is vinyl. I guess if it crackles, pops and hisses then it was but these demos only emerged much more recently than vinyl and I've not heard of a copy being around since the 70's/80's and none has been referred to in any bootleg list i've ever seen. Paul R. any thoughts? Uri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:21:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Re:recommended blog >>this is a first form, posting blatantly political content to a music list(something which in general bothers me)<< Why is that DAVID ?, Surley music has been a vessel of protest long enough for politics and angst not to be strangers to any discussion of music from the bairds of yesteryear to the rappers of today. A If it's fun............do it.................. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:34:16 -0700 From: under moratorium Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:recommended blog......zzzzzzzzzzzzzz Ari wrote: >>>this is a first form, posting blatantly political >>> >>> >content to a music list(something which in general >bothers me)<< >Why is that DAVID ?, Surley music has been a vessel of >protest long enough for politics and angst not to be >strangers to any discussion of music from the bairds >of yesteryear to the rappers of today. A > > >If it's fun............do it.................. > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Music Unlimited >Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:37:22 -0700 From: strike the man Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:recommended blog Ari wrote: >>>this is a first form, posting blatantly political >>> >>> >content to a music list(something which in general >bothers me)<< >Why is that DAVID ?, Surley music has been a vessel of >protest long enough for politics and angst not to be >strangers to any discussion of music from the bairds >of yesteryear to the rappers of today. A > > >If it's fun............do it.................. > >"the people that sit up fron just rattle their jewelry" john lennon > > a working class hero may be something to be if you're working class but others prefer pure pop. > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Music Unlimited >Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:57:08 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:recommended blog you know, one typo changes the context this email should have opened 'this is a first *for me* the link which follows is to a blog which should delight the most fervent anti-bushie please read, enjoy and tell all your friends ps the two women who pen the majority of the blog are brilliant, venomous and delightful cheerio d On 10/16/05, strike the man wrote: > > Ari wrote: > > >>>this is a first form, posting blatantly political > >>> > >>> > >content to a music list(something which in general > >bothers me)<< > >Why is that DAVID ?, Surley music has been a vessel of > >protest long enough for politics and angst not to be > >strangers to any discussion of music from the bairds > >of yesteryear to the rappers of today. A > > > > > >If it's fun............do it.................. > > > >"the people that sit up fron just rattle their jewelry" john lennon > > > > > a working class hero may be something to be if you're working class but > others prefer pure pop. > > > > >__________________________________ > >Yahoo! Music Unlimited > >Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > >http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:43:42 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] GO WHITE SOX!!! an AWESOME ACLS 4 complete games pitched in a row the World Series is coming to town joy d ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:11:41 -0700 From: "he'll drive your car" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:recommended blog David McKenzie wrote: the blog is brilliant............i thoroughly enjoyed it and bookmarked the page........another great one from there is dogbytes! thanks for the "turn on" >you know, one typo changes the context > this email should have opened >'this is a first *for me* >the link which follows is to a blog which should delight the most fervent >anti-bushie >please read, enjoy and tell all your friends >ps >the two women who pen the majority of the blog are brilliant, venomous and >delightful > cheerio >d > > On 10/16/05, strike the man wrote: > > >>Ari wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>this is a first form, posting blatantly political >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>content to a music list(something which in general >>>bothers me)<< >>>Why is that DAVID ?, Surley music has been a vessel of >>>protest long enough for politics and angst not to be >>>strangers to any discussion of music from the bairds >>>of yesteryear to the rappers of today. A >>> >>> >>>If it's fun............do it.................. >>> >>>"the people that sit up fron just rattle their jewelry" john lennon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>a working class hero may be something to be if you're working class but >>others prefer pure pop. >> >> >> >>>__________________________________ >>>Yahoo! Music Unlimited >>>Access over 1 million songs. 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Rob www.strummersite.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:48:59 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] EARLY WIRE i'm sure there is not a vinyl bootleg of george gill demos in existence or we'd have seen it. this is just some guy making a fast buck on ebay selling dodgy cdr's. the gg demos are certianly "interesting" but i suspect don't figure highly on the bands re-issue schedule (like "over my dead body" i'd guess). is anyone gonna buy that "after midnight" album? i'm gonna draw the line here , that's just a rip off. its all on "behind the curtain" so what on earth is the point? these re-issues of the EMI albums seem to have gone quiet too. anyone know the score on those? p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #280 *******************************