From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #279 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, October 16 2005 Volume 08 : Number 279 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Reintroduction / Githead / David Cunningham ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] VU special ["Mike Edwards" ] Re: [idealcopy] Reintroduction / Githead / David Cunningham [MarkBursa@ao] [idealcopy] Giluz et. al. [Ari ] [idealcopy] well, hell ... ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] Re: well, hell ... ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Reintroduction / Githead / David Cunningham [CHRISWIRE@ao] RE: [idealcopy] Reintroduction................ [Derek White ] [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...? [Derek White ] RE: [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...? ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...?]....oops sorry keith [] Re: [Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...?]....oops sorry keith [] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Elbow - Leaders of the free world ["Keith A" Subject: [idealcopy] Reintroduction / Githead / David Cunningham Hi, 1. Well since I haven't been active in the list for a few years thought I might reintroduce myself, for politeness sake: I'm a 36 year old Israeli living in Tel-Aviv, musician, ex-computer programmer (the bubble burst all around me), now working in a collectors' book shop in Tel-Aviv. Been a Wire fan since around 1984 when I first bought a used copy of 154. Also, as an Israeli growing up in the 80's, I'm a great fan of Minimal Compact and its members various solo projects. Other musical interests range from pre to post-punk, 70's krautrock, and anything new and challenging currently released. 2. I know I promised a more detailed review of the Githead gig in Tel-Aviv, but after rereading my 1st one there's nothing much to add - I was too pissed to notice any small details and don't remember much now, but judging by the reviews from Dublin and London seems like it was quite similar to other gigs on the tour - intimate and intense, much better than the album/EP, and the band was so nice and easygoing. With the addition of having 3 Minimal compact members on stage it was quite heavenly. 3. David Cunningham - the most amazing thing happened to me a few days. I have a long time friend who used to live in London in the 90's and was producer/director of some theatre and film projects there. Just a few days ago I played him some old Flying Lizards stuff and he really liked it and asked me what it was. I asked him if he heard about David Cunningham and apparently he's worked with him on three of his theatre productions back in London. Any interesting stories? not much that isn't already known or obvious: he's weird and anti-social, he refrains from playing any live instrument and prefers to deal with devices instead. On one of the plays they wanted to add some live music and he completely freaked out from the thought of playing live onstage (well he didn't). Apparently this friend also claims to have copies of the music + other stuff by DC I've never heard. cheers giluz Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ - -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:34:03 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Reintroduction / Githead / David Cunningham Welcome back, Giluz... and may I be the last to welcome Dan back too! ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 07:53:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T:............... http://www.bushcommission.org If it's fun............do it.................. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:14:18 -0400 From: "Mike Edwards" Subject: [idealcopy] VU special Velvet Underground bootleg special on the experimental podcast this week. Great music, miserable quality. http://www.garageband.com/user/InMyRoompodcast/podcast/throbbing New John Cale on the regular podcast http://www.inmyroompodcast.com See ya-Mike E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:32:56 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Reintroduction / Githead / David Cunningham >>Welcome back, Giluz... and may I be the last to welcome Dan back too!<< No you may not! welcome back both of you ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:24:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Giluz et. al. >>Welcome back, Giluz... and may I be the last to welcome Dan back too!<< No you may not! welcome back both of you ;-) Mark Not to be outdone here,welcome back indeed Giluz, don't do it again........... Ari If it's fun............do it.................. __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:01:46 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] well, hell ... just got through reading the last couple of weeks' worth of post on the archives & only thereby learned that the go4 evidently played atlanta just a week ago. i haven't been to a gig in well over a year (maybe even well over *two* years ... depends on when, i think, the dandy warhols played the cotton club, or maybe it was radio berlin & something about vampires and sluts at the purple unicorn, i think it's called) but may've stirred myself up for that one, since it was one of the occasional saturdays (like this one, too) i don't work (in addition to my 55-hour no-such-thing-as-overtime-pay workload on weekdays ... let's hear it for wage slavery!). as i've noted before, i saw those guys some 22 years ago in tempe, post-dave & -hugo, & they were quite good. certainly more memorable than the openers, r.e.m. otherwise, let it be known that i'm quite fond of chirpy-chirpy-cheep. even scored myself a free cd from a memphis (i think) band, the crummies, 5 or so years ago in little rock by identifying it to the lead singer after the gig, in which they'd covered it. i've got a live lp somewhere -- alvin lives in leeds, i think -- on which i believe lush cover it, perhaps a capella. sad, i know. dan np: fall heads roll, which i'm liking loads ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:07:06 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: well, hell ... >>just got through reading the last couple of weeks' worth of post on the archives & only thereby learned that the go4 evidently played atlanta just a week ago. i haven't been to a gig in well over a year (maybe even well over *two* years ... depends on when, i think, the dandy warhols played the cotton club, or maybe it was radio berlin & something about vampires and sluts at the purple unicorn, i think it's called) but may've stirred myself up for that one, << though on 2nd thought i like to think i'd've done the noble thing & foresworn the gig in solidarity with ari, for whom i'll have to drag out my old copy of the bongos' drums along the mohawk & play "glow in the dark" (haven't heard it since the '80s, i'm sure, but the hook goes something like "we're going to glow in the dark tonight" -- think drums-&-wires-poppish incarnation of xtc, sort of) ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:23:00 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Reintroduction / Githead / David Cunningham In a message dated 15/10/2005 15:38:06 GMT Daylight Time, B.Clements@bepp.co.uk writes: Welcome back, Giluz... and may I be the last to welcome Dan back too! No I might be the last to welcome back Dan & also a warm welcome back to Giluz. Chris NP. The Mutton Birds - She's Been Talking (Fabulous Song) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:21:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Reintroduction................ ///// Not quite the last, Bruno........ ;-) A belated "Welcome back" to Dan from me too:- good to hear from you again, and hope things are looking brighter for you now......... And 'welcome' to Giluz from me, also. - --- "Clements, Bruno - BUP" wrote: > Welcome back, Giluz... and may I be the last to > welcome Dan back too! > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are > confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or > entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in > error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message > has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.clearswift.com > ********************************************************************** > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:58:15 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] well, hell ... This reminds me that I once saw P J Harvey do Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep live as an encore in a slowed-down falsetto version - it took me some time to recognise it, which I put down to years of disciplined self-brainwashing. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of dan bailey otherwise, let it be known that i'm quite fond of chirpy-chirpy-cheep. even scored myself a free cd from a memphis (i think) band, the crummies, 5 or so years ago in little rock by identifying it to the lead singer after the gig, in which they'd covered it. i've got a live lp somewhere -- alvin lives in leeds, i think -- on which i believe lush cover it, perhaps a capella. sad, i know. dan np: fall heads roll, which i'm liking loads ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:02:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...? A couple of weeks ago, during the discussion about the New Orleans hurricane / global warming, I referred to the fact that elevated ground temperature will cause CO2 to be released from carboniferous rocks, and soils....... Well, seems it's happening already. What's more there's been an attempt to quantify the UK 'contribution' This is not a happy sign..... On a musical front, I went out today and took a punt on the Arcade Fire's "Funeral". Think I'm going to enjoy this...... __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 01:02:43 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Calla Any US listers intending to catch Calla on their latest tour, details of which I copy below for reference? Would be interested to hear what the new album's like too if anyone has heard it - not out over here yet AFAIK. Oct 13 - Austin, TX - The Parish Room Oct 14 - Denton, TX - Hailey's Oct 16 - Tucson, AZ - Plush Oct 17 - San Diego, CA - Casbah Oct 19 - Pomona, CA - Glass House Oct 20 - Los Angeles, CA - The Echo Oct 21 - San Francisco, CA - Mezzanine Oct 22 - Portland, OR - Dour Fir Lounge Oct 23 - Vancouver, BC - Media Club Oct 24 - Seattle, WA - Crocodile Cafe Oct 27 - Minneapolis, MN - 7th Street Entry Oct 28 - Grinnel, IA - Gardner Main Hall @ Grinnell College Oct 29 - Milwaukee, WI - The Cactus Club Oct 30 - Chicago, IL - Empty Bottle Oct 31 - Cleveland, OH - Grog Shop Nov 01 - Detroit, MI - Magic Stick Nov 02 - Toronto, ONT - Horsehoe Tavern Nov 03 - Montreal, QUE - Main Hall Nov 04 - Cambridge, MA - The Middle East (upstairs) Nov 05 - New York, NY - Bowery Ballroom Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 01:13:03 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Derek White On a musical front, I went out today and took a punt on the Arcade Fire's "Funeral". Think I'm going to enjoy this...... - ------------------------------------ Oh you are, Derek, you are. Had this since late last year and it's improved slowly as time has gone on, offering up more subtlety and catchiness every play. Damn fine record. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:26:51 -0700 From: "but i can't wait to see the doctor" Subject: [Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...?]....oops sorry keith Message-ID: <43519DD5.1030005@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:24:53 -0700 From: but i can't wait to see the doctor Reply-To: upagainstthewall@gmail.com Organization: soul patch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Knight Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...? References: <009b01c5d1e6$621936b0$59420756@KeithandJen> In-Reply-To: <009b01c5d1e6$621936b0$59420756@KeithandJen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith Knight wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On >Behalf Of Derek White > On a musical front, I went out today and took a punt >on the Arcade Fire's "Funeral". >Think I'm going to enjoy this...... >------------------------------------ > >Oh you are, Derek, you are. Had this since late last year and it's >improved slowly as time has gone on, offering up more subtlety and >catchiness every play. Damn fine record. > >Another the Keith > > > > in the u.s. it's one disc...the import is 2...you are taliking the 2 disc set? have you listened to live at bbc maida vale studios? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 01:43:02 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Trainspotters guide to punk One for yr Xmas stockings boys and girls: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879308486 This 700 page doorstop of a book should make a nice distraction from yr Xmas turkey and bring a dewy tear to many a wistful old punkers eye. Of course for a young pup like me this is just an encyclopedia of unknown facts and figures. Its basically a 'diary' of the evolution of punk/new wave from the release of the Stooges Funhouse and Andy Partridge from XTCs first rehearsal in 1970, to 31 Dec 1982 when the author decides punk finally ends with the release of Belle Stars 'Sign of the Times' and the first Husker Du album. Anyway, basically this nutcase has complied a diary from all the music papers of the time, so it reads as an 'as it happened' account of the evolution of punk and what came shortly after. Every significant (and many more insignificant) gig, record and seemingly every letter Morrissey ever wrote to Melody Maker during this era is documented. 'Englands Dreaming' it ain't, and for gods sake don't read the writers appalling preamble where he gets the entire ethos of punk completely wrong...calling it a reaction to "..mindless disco" and writing possibly the most damning indictment of punk I have ever read which makes it sound like really it should never have happened: "If it weren't for the musical enema that groups like The Stooges and The Damned gave to the establishment we would probably have never heard of the Police, REM, The Cure, Pearl Jam or U2". Cough! But it is impressive in its scope and, once you get past the authors School Magazine writing style, is great fun to read. Each page you turn brings a new bunch of hapless wannabes...or maybe a nascent incarnation of future megastars. It does manage to take in an impossible array of obscurities too. To give an example, my mate Ian Runacres band, Dislocation Dance, have about 7 entries (albeit of the "the band were no doubt round their mums house waiting to hear their first session for Kid Jensen" variety). Anyway, worth having, especially if you want to beat Mark Bursa in a pub quiz, or simply have to know what Rip Rig & Panic were doing this time 25 years ago. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:09:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...?]....oops sorry keith Nah, sadly this is just a single CD version:- however, in the rack next to it was something purporting to be a mini album:- slightly different lineup, about 6 tracks on it for around 6UKP, or 6:45. Dunno if that's the Maida Vale session, or a demo or something of that nature:- I didn't read further, just headed for the till with 'Funeral' as the shop was about to close. wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > > > > On a musical front, I went out today and took a > punt > >on the Arcade Fire's "Funeral". > >Think I'm going to enjoy this...... > >------------------------------------ > >Oh you are, Derek, you are. Had this since late > last year and it's > >improved slowly as time has gone on, offering up > more subtlety and > >catchiness every play. Damn fine record. > > > >Another the Keith > in the u.s. it's one disc...the import is 2...you > are taliking the 2 > disc set? have you listened to live at bbc maida > vale studios? > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:23:42 -0700 From: "nowhere man" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...?]....oops sorry keith damn, derek, the e.p. is like, spooky great. singer says it was their first gig outside the states. thanks for the heads up on this one. really good. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek White" To: ; "idealcopy" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT (but a bit worrying):- CO2 'Soil sinks'...not doing their stuff...?]....oops sorry keith > Nah, sadly this is just a single CD version:- however, > in the rack next to it was something purporting to be > a mini album:- slightly different lineup, about 6 > tracks on it for around 6UKP, or 6:45. > > Dunno if that's the Maida Vale session, or a demo or > something of that nature:- I didn't read further, just > headed for the till with 'Funeral' as the shop was > about to close. > > wrote: > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > > On a musical front, I went out today and took a > > punt > > >on the Arcade Fire's "Funeral". > > >Think I'm going to enjoy this...... > > >------------------------------------ > > >Oh you are, Derek, you are. Had this since late > > last year and it's > > >improved slowly as time has gone on, offering up > > more subtlety and > > >catchiness every play. Damn fine record. > > > > > >Another the Keith > > > in the u.s. it's one disc...the import is 2...you > > are taliking the 2 > > disc set? have you listened to live at bbc maida > > vale studios? > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:07:17 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Elbow - Leaders of the free world > Station Approach - Is the street leading out of the front of Manchester > Piccadilly train station. This is a superb track. I've only just got the albim, so I can't comment on it really, but I know this track well from a free cd I heard. It's a really lovely song to start off with but I love the way it builds. The other thing I really adore is the piano sound. It sounds so real - like the type of piano that someone will have in their front room, and you have to press the keys down rather hard - rather than some expensive thing in the studio. Now I know it probably transpires that the piano sound is simulated, but hey-ho... ; ) K. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #279 *******************************