From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #272 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, October 9 2005 Volume 08 : Number 272 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT: Sweet / Glam (was Franz F but we got bored ...) [Der] RE: [idealcopy] OT: Sweet / Glam (was Franz F but we got bored ...) ["Ke] [idealcopy] ATK wrote........... [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] ATK wrote........... [neil sporren ] [idealcopy] O.T: Bad news indeed. [Ari ] Fw: [idealcopy] Ruben, erm Neil,erm Mike, erm ex lion tamer, erm............ wrote ["nowhere man" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Sweet / Glam (was Franz F but we got bored ...) DOH ! Feel the warming glow of my red face. Of course it was.......I should have remembered that, as the guy responsible for burning the name into my head was his No 1 fan, and he was a drummer.......as I said, "DOH!" Didn't know they had TWO deceased members, though.... **Steve Preist** COULD be the 3rd, for it is he that now looks like a darts-player holidaying in a pie-shop, then..... Trust me, He's definitely in 'Cardiac Ward' territory............ I should care. I always thought they were an utter bag of shit anyhow. Even the cod-Zep 'B'-sides....... ;-) In fact.....< drumroll please, as contentious statement looms over horizon>..... ......... take out the 1st 2 Roxy albums, and Bowie's 'Ziggy Stardust/Aladdin Sane and half of 'Electric Warrior' and 'Glam-rock' per se was pretty irredeemably naff, and one that *way* too many collumn inches are expended on......it's curious that it is now accorded so much respect, Possibly not so much for itself, but the litany of bands who *claim* to have been inspired by it all...........not all of whom , I suspect, are telling the truth. My recall was that beyond the 'teeny' end of the market, it didn't cause *that* many waves? It DID sell truckloads of singles, sure, but mostly to schoolkids of 3rd year or below? Discuss..................................(Mark ;-) ) Derek W. (head down, waiting for feathers and snot to fly) MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >>I saw 'some documentary' , too, and the guy with the bad make-up would be Mick Tucker........<< Oh, no it wasn't. The not-at-all-camp spoken bits were delivered by the great Steve Priest. Mick Tucker was the drummer - he died in 2002. Mind you, they all had bad make-up. But Steve Priest had more bad make up than the others! Mark - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 15:40:36 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Sweet / Glam (was Franz F but we got bored ...) Well, I always had a liking for Gary Glitter and it's rather a shame that his personal peccadilloes has led to him being written out of pop history. I don't frequent many 70s disco environments but I suspect that he's even dropped out of those quite apart from music radio. But I think you're looking at glam from the wrong end of the spectrum, Derek - it was a singles phenomenon rather than an albums one. And there are a reasonable number of good singles in there. I don't regard Sweet as glam BTW - they were customised Chinnichap pop, no better than Tony Blackburn's 'Chop Chop' (and apologies if that's dragged up awful memories for anyone). Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Derek White In fact.....< drumroll please, as contentious statement looms over horizon>..... ......... take out the 1st 2 Roxy albums, and Bowie's 'Ziggy Stardust/Aladdin Sane and half of 'Electric Warrior' and 'Glam-rock' per se was pretty irredeemably naff, and one that *way* too many collumn inches are expended on......it's curious that it is now accorded so much respect, Possibly not so much for itself, but the litany of bands who *claim* to have been inspired by it all...........not all of whom , I suspect, are telling the truth. My recall was that beyond the 'teeny' end of the market, it didn't cause *that* many waves? It DID sell truckloads of singles, sure, but mostly to schoolkids of 3rd year or below? Discuss..................................(Mark ;-) ) Derek W. (head down, waiting for feathers and snot to fly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] ATK wrote........... >>But I think you're looking at glam from the wrong end of the spectrum,Derek - it was a singles phenomenon rather than an albums one. Another The Keith<< So Roxy Music albums don't count? or Bowies? boy you're askin' for it (ain'tcha?) Glamari...... If it's fun............do it.................. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 10:15:08 -0700 From: neil sporren Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ATK wrote........... Ari wrote: >>>But I think you're looking at glam from the wrong >>> >>> >end of the spectrum,Derek - it was a singles >phenomenon rather than an albums one. Another The >Keith<< >So Roxy Music albums don't count? or Bowies? boy >you're askin' for it (ain'tcha?) Glamari...... > > > > > > > >If it's fun............do it.................. > > > they just jumped on the band wagon >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Music Unlimited >Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:40:54 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Sweet / Glam (was Franz F but we got bored ...) have you heard "velvet tinmine" derek? well worth a punt , sure you'd love some of it ;-) p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:58:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Ruben, erm Neil,erm Mike, erm ex lion tamer, erm............ wrote >>they just jumped on the band wagon<< Har Hearty Har Har ( not the album-wagon?) A If it's fun............do it.................. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:31:04 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: GO4 Atlanta >Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:46:14 GMT >From: "P J Kane" >Subject: [idealcopy] no justice / Go4 ATL > >and not to make light of Ari's situation, but any ATL locals who are going >to see Go4 at Earthlink Live this Saturday interested in getting together >for a pint / cuppa coffee before hand? neither of the two opening acts >looks very interesting, but here are some links anyways: >http://www.menwomenandchildren.com/ >http://www.morningwoodrocks.com/news.aspx > Hey, I'll be at the Atlanta Gang Of Four show. I'll be the guy with short hair wearing a black T-shirt and jeans. I'll probably get there early to see Morningwood, as I confess to liking the song that they've been playing on 99X lately. Not so sure about the other band, but I'll be at least scouting T-shirts and such in the venue. Looking forward to seeing some of y'all. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Bad news indeed. http://tinyurl.com/aa9na __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:03:32 -0700 From: "nowhere man" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] Ruben, erm Neil,erm Mike, erm ex lion tamer, erm............ wrote - ----- Original Message ----- From: "nowhere man" To: "Ari" Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ruben, erm Neil,erm Mike, erm ex lion tamer, erm............ wrote > the singles wagon....going steady...erm........... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ari" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 10:58 AM > Subject: [idealcopy] Ruben, erm Neil,erm Mike, erm ex lion tamer, > erm............ wrote > > > > >>they just jumped on the band wagon<< > > Har Hearty Har Har ( not the album-wagon?) A > > > > If it's fun............do it.................. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! 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Reply-To: h HAVE A GREAT WEEK END=20 DANI WHY HELP NEVER ARRIVED....=20 WARUM HILFE NIE KAMM.... ? ? ? k l? 8053 west third street los angeles california 90048 323 938 4556 store 323 936 4221 fax 323 578 5585 direct kellybwith@mac.com klebwith@sbcglobal.net www.soulsshoes.com [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of untitled] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of untitled] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of untitled] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of untitled] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:39:54 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Darkness Sweet Microdisney (was Franz F butwe got bored of em!) CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: > in 1971 that Co-Co was at #2 and Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep was > #1 was one of the worst of my life - I actually think I was depressed as > a result. > > Oh God Keith I laughed myself senseless at that.Hilarious > > Chris > Someone will say the same thing about Crazy Frog in 30 years time ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:24:23 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Sweet / Glam (was Franz F but we got bored ...) > Sweet as glam BTW - they were customised Chinnichap pop, no better than > Tony Blackburn's 'Chop Chop' (and apologies if that's dragged up awful > memories for anyone). I think it's no coincidence that you mention that single, ATK. It was - IIRC - also on the Sweet's debut album Funny How Sweet Co-Co Can Be (AKA Clever How We Can Get Our Name And Our First Two Singles In The Album Title!). But I think you knew that really, didn't you Keith (Closet Sweet Fan) ; ) Take Bolan, Bowie And Roxy out of the equation and you're left with a singles market. OK some of these are just enjoyable in a nostalgia-fest kinda way for people of a certain age (who should know better!), but there were some great 45's. I honestly think that GG's R&R Pt2 is one of THE great singles. And Derek, lots of people did take inspiration from these records, notably punk bands. Even our lads themselves who apparently used T.Rex as a template for 12XU. It certainly reminds me of (the admittedly earlier) Elemental Child!! Altogether now... 12XU... Torch girl of the marshes... ; ) > > Another the Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Derek White > > > In fact.....< drumroll please, as contentious statement looms over > horizon>..... > > ......... take out the 1st 2 Roxy albums, and Bowie's 'Ziggy > Stardust/Aladdin Sane and half of 'Electric Warrior' and 'Glam-rock' > per se was pretty irredeemably naff, and one that *way* too many > collumn inches are expended on......it's curious that it is now accorded > so much respect, Possibly not so much for itself, but the litany of > bands who *claim* to have been inspired by it all...........not all of > whom , I suspect, are telling the truth. > > My recall was that beyond the 'teeny' end of the market, it didn't > cause *that* many waves? > It DID sell truckloads of singles, sure, but mostly to schoolkids of 3rd > year or below? > > Discuss..................................(Mark ;-) ) > > Derek W. (head down, waiting for feathers and snot to fly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:43:38 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Darkness Sweet Microdisney (was Franz F butwe got bored o... >>Someone will say the same thing about Crazy Frog in 30 years time<< Especially with C*ldplay at (appropriately) number two. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 23:09:05 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Sweet / Glam (was Franz F but we got bored ...) >>Take Bolan, Bowie And Roxy out of the equation and you're left with a singles market. << Sparks? Mott the Hoople? Cockney Rebel? Really there were two completely parallel "glams": The arty Bowie/Roxy/TRex division, genuine musical innovators working within pop, but with a very deep and lasting influence... ...and the "manufactured" purely singles bands (Sweet, Gary Glitter, Mud etc). In many cases these were bands or singers who had missed out in the 60s and were having another go at fame - in the case of Gary Glitter & Alvin Stardust, moderately successful 50s rockers; people like Ian Hunter or Alex Harvey were well into their 30s by then - but were able to surf the glam wave too. Mud were a 60s down-the-bill beat combo; Slade had an established image as a neo-skinhead rock band... Etc. Of course Derek and AT Keith are sniffy about glam - they were already album-buying teenage "heads" - into prog, hard rock etc. The likes of Astbury & Bursa, however, were snotty 10-year-olds for whom albums were impossibly expensive - but ex-juke box singles were 10p each. Sure, there was an album market - - but that wasn't what it was really about... The 60s were over - here was something that was new, fresh and belonged to the future. Didn't last; the 70s soon degenerated into Genesis/Yes /ELP turgidness. But it made for a nice feeling of deja vu when punk came along... Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #272 *******************************