From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #264 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, October 1 2005 Volume 08 : Number 264 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #263 - OT Wyatt [rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk] [idealcopy] Githead Sugar Club Dublin review [Jan Noorda ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Franz Ferdinand-You Could Have It So Much Better [T] Re: [idealcopy] Githead Sugar Club Dublin review [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Franz Ferdinand-You Could Have It So Much Better [P] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:30:57 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #263 - OT Wyatt > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of David McKenzie > Sent: 29 September 2005 00:05 > To: Idealcopy > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Robert Wyatt interview > > and - yes! he can sing > he hits all the notes > That would seem to be the crux of it. As to whether you like the tone of anyone's voice - that's purely subjective... Me and my 21 year old daughter both reacted the same on hearing his new performance of A Sea Song on the recent BBC 4 film and were holding back the tears. I wish I could remember who said he had "the saddest voice in the world". I thinks its probably the most vulnerable voice that comes to mind and its the human quality of his singing rather than anything technical that makes me love him and, as far as we know, the quality of the voice is an indication of the man in general. I recall an interview in The Wire a few years back being one of the most inspiring things I'd ever read from a musician. It used to be on their web site for those interested. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 04:50:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Noorda Subject: [idealcopy] Githead Sugar Club Dublin review http://www.brainwashed.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3697&Itemid=1 j - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:50:17 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Robert Wyatt interview Thanks! For soulseekers ray0graph now has the interview shared as an mp3. msg me there for details ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:31:09 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Githead Sugar Club Dublin review http://www.brainwashed.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3697&Itemid=1 > > j > With any luck Githead will make a return to Irish shores sometime soon. A trip up north wouldn't go amiss either! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Robert Wyatt interview I agree his (Wyatt's) voice is an aquired taste, but where it fits the material, it can be sublime..... best example poss. "Shipbuilding"....... [which has particular resonance for me, living as I do in a shipyard town dying on it's arse :-( ] However, sometimes it can also grate during unsympathetic stuff. But, he IS one of the 'good guys', it seems. - --- John Hobson wrote: > But can he sing? I've never seen it myself and I go > all the way back to > Soft Machine 3 when he first warbled. Came over as > an alround decent chap > but an aquired taste methinks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Knight" > To: "Idealcopy" > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:19 AM > Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Robert Wyatt interview > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/documentaries/?focuswin > > > > For anyone with an interest in Robert Wyatt I > recommend this interview > > by Phil Manzanera which should be up for a few > days more yet. > > > > Wyatt is such a genuinely nice bloke as well as > being a remarkable > > musician and singer. Very much one of Our Chief > of Men (other Brit > > candidates for which are, um, Michael Palin, Ken > Loach, David > > Attenborough, J G Ballard, Alan Moore.) > > > > Another the Keith > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:57:56 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] githead at the garage well those who missed this missed a great night , it was a really good show. messrs bursa , lumbard , grannell and rowland also in attendance , nice to see you all. this was obviously a very different show from the 2 i'd seen before ; the swim night was good but mired in technical issues and the rother/QEH show was great but not the ideal venue for a rock show. this was the last night of the tour so things by now looking a lot more well-drilled and the band looking like they're enjoying themselves. sorry i don't have a set list but they played most of the 2 cd's released so far. openers were (i think) antiphon then alpha , encore was My LCA (with max and malka both on guitar and colin on bass) and a new song (the only new one of the night). very much a rock band , the live drums are a real plus and you'd have to say it rocked. great performance , really enjoyed it. had a chat with colin beforehand , he seemed very happy with things in general. sounded like attendances on the tour varied hugely , garage turnout was not massive but there were a lot of competing gigs that night (broadcast and art brut for starters). good venue which i really enjoy , always seems a nice atmosphere there. be interesting to see githead's next move.... p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Robert Wyatt I have the 2-c.d Soft Machine Peel Sessions, I think it's now unavailable so if anyone on the list would like a copy email me off-list. Ari If it's fun............do it.................. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 03:18:08 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Franz Ferdinand-You Could Have It So Much Better MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >>>>We're in a climate where anything reasonably tuneful and spunky played > > by > >>pretty skinny boys with guitars and tight trousers is cool and marketable >>(Maximo Park, Futureheads, Bloc Party etc etc etc)<< > > > > > It's fiundamentally not a bad thing though is it? Surely the availability of > a substantial distribution channel for "alternative" music will let some of > the more left-field stuff through to the wider consciousness?? or are we being > (gasp!) music snobs that want our little obsure bands all to ourselves? Not really, just an observation. Its interesting that the 'indie' bands of today have commerical pressures on them that never troubled their predecessors. I wonder how this might shape their careers and the quality of the music they might make. >>>>Had they been born 20 years younger FF would be languishing on Rough >> >>Trade, maybe sell out the Brixton Academy if they were lucky, scrape the >>top 50 album charts and get on The Tube.<< > > > Surely that's a function of more sophisticated marketing, faster > communication and better distribution? It was possible after all to become a very > succesful indie guitar band 20 years ago - The Smiths, for example. Well yes but... imagine if The Smiths had formed in 2005. They do a few gigs and get a buzz going and some good press. The marketing machine kicks in. Maybe an NME cover before they've barely recorded a note. They get signed and release Hand In Glove. It would be a monster hit now, and within months they have a sell out tour of Carling Academy's across the nation. Debut LP goes Top 10, Q magazine , observer music monthly et al give it rave reviews. Later With Jools Holland. Jonathan Ross. Ant N Dec. CD:UK. A couple of months later they are nominated for the Mercury Music Prize. Maybe they headline Glastonbury or the V Festival etc etc. ITV use 'Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now' as the soundtrack when they show clips of contestants getting booted off 'The X Factor'. The question is...do they last long enough to release 'The Queen is Dead'? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 03:28:27 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Githead Sugar Club Dublin review Keith A wrote: > http://www.brainwashed.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3697&Itemid=1 > >>j > > >>With any luck Githead will make a return to Irish shores sometime soon. > > > A trip up north wouldn't go amiss either! > Anyone think that review reads like something from the Melody Maker and Accordian Review circa 1956? "This is a shame because from looking at his fingerwork he had a nice technique." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:51:12 -0400 From: Timothy Sasscer Subject: [idealcopy] Both off and topic For no reason other than sharing music; please skip if you require WIRE, and I promise not to do this too often in this forum... Ari's link to NPR reminded me of two beautiful pieces I heard there this afternoon; http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4931402 takes you to an article about a new film by Thomas Riedelsheimer, a documentary about Scottish percussionist Evelyn Glennie. Mr. Riedelsheimer made one of my favorite films of the last couple of years, another documentary, about the wonderful artist Andy Goldsworthy, called Rivers and Tides. That film, and this one, also have superb soundtrack additions by Fred Frith. and http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4864538 takes you to an article about a New Orleans artist and preacher, dead since 1980, whose a cappella tambourine chants (I know, not strictly a cappella) have been not only re-issued but also remixed with quite pleasing results. Check out 'Power (voodoo Version)' for some toe-tapping and head nodding action. tIm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 03:09:57 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Franz Ferdinand-You Could Have It So Much Better In a message dated 01/10/2005 03:35:43 GMT Standard Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: The question is...do they last long enough to release 'The Queen is Dead'? /////the answer is probably yes , but it'd have been much much worse. i think watching the whole corporate post-punk thing unfold it's all a case of "careful what you wish for ......it might come true". who'd have thought all these angular jerky acts in the top 20 could be so utterly dull. the whole scene is very much a re-run of britpop in as much as its got so much big label cash propping it up. there's nothing "indie" here at all , as with britpop you're either top 20 or you're toast. superimposing 80's ideals on top of kasabian or razorlight is an interesting thought , but that way of thinking is so far away you might as well liken them to the skiffle rcraze. wonder when the new smiths will arrive , i suspect that's the next one in the pipeline. yesterdays guardian had a load of "movers and shakers" making their tips for 2006 and almost every one picked the arctic monkeys. anyone heard much by them yet? p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #264 *******************************