From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #257 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, September 24 2005 Volume 08 : Number 257 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #256 ["Mike Edwards" ] Re: [idealcopy] TWAT and Derek or was it Chris [rdc ] Re: [idealcopy] Peel Tribute [David McKenzie ] Re: [idealcopy] Peel Tribute [tried heart popcorn Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #256 krautrock special on my podcast this week! http://www.inmyroompodcast.com see ya- Mike Edwards ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:15:45 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] The Mahden Daaance Bought my copy of Arkansas from Mr Thomas when they played at the Colston Hall, Bristol, last year, sadly only the movie soundtrack show. Fun but not quite the real world! Mr Thomas was giving away solo CDs if you bought one so it was a good deal! Has Dub Housing been remastered? I have a version from at least 10 years ago... Does anyone have any views on the Monster CD set? B ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:49:11 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #256 OT D Thomas ... He certainly doesn't suffer fools gladly. He > really is like a bear with a sore arse at times. > Patience count zero. He looks a little bit like a > cross between Oliver Hardy and Dan Van Vliet. .. > > At one point someone shouted something while David > Thomas was doing a preamble to a song... > > Thomas: " Do you think it's WISE to interupt me while > I'm talking ?? " > > Punter laughs nervously > > Thomas: "I mean, who the fuck are YOU ?? .. I'm David > fuckin' Thomas maan..." Thomas stage presence is very impressive. There are a lot of variations on the description of his appearance. My favourite was "Fatty Arbuckle on the verge of the infinite". I once saw him at a solo gig in a community centre on a council estate in Peckham ( a rough part of South London) where the promoter had forgotten the cheque book to pay for the hall with the consequence of the caretaker (accompanied by large dog) taking to the stage and demanding that everyone leave. Thomas, who was on stage just starting his performance, just sat there calmly and said, "Buddy, get off MY stage". The gig went ahead (although the hall was paid for out of the door takings and Thomas's manager nervously piped up from the audience that this meant they would have to sort out his fee later) ! I also once saw him ask a heckler to leave with the offer of a refund. > As for the music...well, I've only got the odd PU LP, but they played a > few I know - Modern Dance, Non-Alignment Pact and We Have The Technology. > And - get this! - a cover of the Dead Boys Sonic Reducer!! > Sonic Reducer was originally by Thomas' pre-Ubu Band Rocket From The Tombs. Thomas once said that the only thing he was really aggrieved about in all his years in music was some kind of dispute over this song. Regards, Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:41 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #256 OT D Thomas >>Sonic Reducer was originally by Thomas' pre-Ubu Band Rocket From The Tombs. Thomas once said that the only thing he was really aggrieved about in all his years in music was some kind of dispute over this song.<< Indeed. Shame on Mr Astbury for not knowing this factoid. Take 100 lines, boy. As for the dispute, at the Islington gig Dave was bragging about how he'd received a cheque for $36,000 for the song... which should keep him in pies for a couple of weeks. Very entertaining gig too (sounds like the same set as Manchester - as well as Sonic Reducer we got The Modern Dance, Street Waves, Misery Goats and We have the Technology as well as a lot of new stuff). However the Ubu massive has shrunk somewhat - the gig was downgraded from the Carling Academy to the much smaller Bar Academy. LAst time I saw the Ubu they sold out the Forum.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:14:10 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #256 OT D Thomas - --On 23 September 2005 08:46 -0400 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > However the Ubu massive has shrunk somewhat - the gig was downgraded from > the Carling Academy to the much smaller Bar Academy. LAst time I saw the > Ubu they sold out the Forum.... > Yeah, Ubu are supposed to be my joint favourite band but I haven't made the effort the last few times they've played locally. I started feeling, a long time ago, that Ubu was slowly losing its identity and becoming more like one of Thomas' solo projects - more rambly, more talkative, slightly "cabaret". Nothing wrong with this sort of thing but for a while you got two quite distinct experiences but now they seem to be a lot closer, especially with Two Pale Boys guitarist Moline now in Ubu. Maybe I should give them another go. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:35:59 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] The Mahden Daaance Ah yes, it's the Cooking Vinyl version I have myself (well, '94 remastered if memory serves). Great album but I'm not sure it was ever great 'sounding'. Can't imagine they had unlimited studio resources. B - -----Original Message----- From: Keith A [mailto:keith.indoorminer@virgin.net] Sent: 23 September 2005 15:35 To: Clements, Bruno - BUP Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Mahden Daaance > Mr Thomas was giving away solo CDs if you bought one so it was a good deal! > Has Dub Housing been remastered? I have a version from at least 10 years > ago... It's dated 1999 on Cooking vinyl but closer examination reveas it was re-mastered in '94. I'm not an anorak in this area, but it's not a great sound to be honest. >Indeed. Shame on Mr Astbury for not knowing this factoid. Take 100 lines, >boy. Before my time, Mark! ; ) K. np Isaac Hayes - Isaac Hayes Movement ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:32:26 +0100 From: "John Hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] TWAT and Derek or was it Chris Can we have a moratorium on George Bush, Iraq, Storms etc on this list? There are plenty of other lists for active discussion on these matters but there's enough depression around without downloading more on a specialised list? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:39:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Scottish Play......... MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >>As for the 'Scottish play' release, I thought they *perhaps* missed a trick not putting out a PAL variant at least, as apart from the UK, I think all the ex-Eastern bloc countries use PAL-D, as does Australasia, [I think?], so that would have caught plenty of other possible sales......<< ///// As Paul P has pointed out, I was off the beam, there:- Russia apparently uses SECAM. Non-techies may wish to skip any chance of a boredom-induced coma here, but......... [I'm now going to look up the difference 'twixt PAL and SECAM............. IIRC, it's not huge:- there's MAYBE more 'active' lines per frame of SECAM pictures, and suspect they might have tried to address a couple of problems that afflicts certain pics on PAL:- either the 'crawling dot pattern/herringbone effect' you get with some fine detail, or occasional sound-driven interference(?)] >I think the point was that just about all Euro machines will play NTSC, while not all US >machines can play PAL. So NTSC was a good compromise for - it only meant only one set of >mastering and pressing, making TSP and OTB viable low-run products for PinkFlag. It's not >exactly TimeWarnerAOL, y'know! Now you put it like that, I guess it makes sense. I wasn't aware of US machinery's inability to deal with PAL. As for Pink Flag not being TimeWarnerAOL, I give hearty thanks for that...... /////// Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:10:44 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] TWAT and Derek or was it Chris >>Can we have a moratorium on George Bush, Iraq, Storms etc on this list? There are plenty of other lists for active discussion on these matters but there's enough depression around without downloading more on a specialised list? << Actually, no, let's not have "moratoriums" about anything. One of the core strengths of Idealcopy is the breadth of topics it covers. The list is well moderated and when stuff gets out of hand a polite cease & desist request is issued. Meanwhile, just delete the OT's if you don't want to read such mails. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:56:20 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Scottish Play......... > ///// As Paul P has pointed out, I was off the beam, there:- Russia > apparently uses SECAM. > > Non-techies may wish to skip any chance of a boredom-induced coma here, > but......... > > [I'm now going to look up the difference 'twixt PAL and SECAM............. > IIRC, it's not huge:- there's MAYBE more 'active' lines per frame of SECAM > pictures, and suspect they might have tried to address a couple of > problems that afflicts certain pics on PAL:- either the 'crawling dot > pattern/herringbone effect' you get with some fine detail, or occasional > sound-driven interference(?)] > Well, from a broadcasting theory standpoint there's a big difference .... ^_^ SECAM was the wildest color system I ever researched. SECAM stands for "Siquentiel couleur avec mimoire", French for "sequential colour with memory". NTSC and PAL are variations on the same idea conceptually, but SECAM is pretty unique. Quick, quick history - I promise! Originally TV was Black and White (B&W) - but our eyes see color. Anything our eyes can see can be represented by combinations of Red + Green + Blue. So, color TV can be done by an "RGB" signal - like your computer uses. But - how do we put 3 television signals in the space of one B&W channel? NTSC and PAL reduce RGB to a B&W signal (for backwards compatibility) and also broadcast two extra signals that are color difference signals hidden in the frequencies of the B&W signal. This causes interference in the received picture - dot crawl and other strange color anomalies. NTSC was first, PAL included some improvements, but lost color resolution - both are pretty good. Simplifying (a lot!), if we call B&W by the letter "Y", then the two color difference signals are R-Y and B-Y. Since our B&W signal Y = R + G + B, then by combining the signals together we can extract G and thus get a full color picture. PAL & NTSC, then, broadcast Y, B-Y & R-Y at the same time, and use decoding tricks to get RGB - this leads to interference until very recently with the advent of digital circuitry. SECAM, however, broadcasts one frame of R-Y (+Y), stores it in "memory", then broadcasts one frame of B-Y (+Y). Since you have the Y signal in your B&W picture, and the stored frame of R-Y, and you just got B-Y, you can use the same math to get G. However - YOU HAVE TO STORE A FRAME OF VIDEO!! Can you imagine trying to store a frame of video *before* computers? Remember - this had to be done with analog circuits. Jeez - from an EE point of view, that was wack! Crazy cool - but hard to manufacture with 60's technology. Very hard to manufacture SECAM originally - probably helped keep the French market to French manufacturers. Also explains why Russia adopted it - too expensive for the rest of Europe to manufacture just to sell to Russia - helped keep foreign sales out. As time went by, the price of the electronics dropped - and now it's no longer an issue. ^_^ The entry at Wikipedia explains it pretty well - I should dig out my textbooks and add to it a little: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SECAM Note that this is NOT the reason European sets are higher resolution and lower framerate than US sets. That was established long before the color theories came into play. When power distribution systems switched from DC to AC, Europe and the US adopted different line frequencies - US 60 Hz, Europe 50 Hz. Television used the AC line frequencies as their clocks. Because of the difference in frame rate, and because the TV channel bandwidth was approximately the same, that lead to a difference in resolution - how much information you could cram in the same space. Hence, 525 lines US versus 625 lines Europe. However - this was all established during the B&W days. Color differences between the three systems are fairly minimal compared to the resolution and framerate differences. ^_^ >>I think the point was that just about all Euro machines will play NTSC, >>while not all US >machines can play PAL. So NTSC was a good compromise >>for - it only meant only one set of >mastering and pressing, making TSP >>and OTB viable low-run products for PinkFlag. It's not >exactly >>TimeWarnerAOL, y'know! > > Now you put it like that, I guess it makes sense. I wasn't aware of US > machinery's inability to deal with PAL. > As for Pink Flag not being TimeWarnerAOL, I give hearty thanks for > that...... > Yes - traditionally, the US has been very insular in its world wide TV support. I think I'm one of the few people I know with a format converting VCR. Most of the other people that I know with them are European ex-pats! ^_^ Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:34:40 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Mahden Daaance > Mr Thomas was giving away solo CDs if you bought one so it was a good deal! > Has Dub Housing been remastered? I have a version from at least 10 years > ago... It's dated 1999 on Cooking vinyl but closer examination reveas it was re-mastered in '94. I'm not an anorak in this area, but it's not a great sound to be honest. >Indeed. Shame on Mr Astbury for not knowing this factoid. Take 100 lines, >boy. Before my time, Mark! ; ) K. np Isaac Hayes - Isaac Hayes Movement ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:14:12 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Mahden Daaance >>Before my time, Mark! ; )<< Your time is my time! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:43:54 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #256 OT D Thomas Of course 'the Ubu massive' is rather apt in Mr Thomas' case... Couldn't make the Islington gig unfortunately although I'd have gone if it had been another night. I tend to agree with Tony that Ubu has become something of a loose concept but I'll turn out for Non-Alignment Pact and The Modern Dance any day of the week. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Sent: 23 September 2005 14:14 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Cc: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #256 OT D Thomas - --On 23 September 2005 08:46 -0400 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > However the Ubu massive has shrunk somewhat - the gig was downgraded from > the Carling Academy to the much smaller Bar Academy. LAst time I saw the > Ubu they sold out the Forum.... > Yeah, Ubu are supposed to be my joint favourite band but I haven't made the effort the last few times they've played locally. I started feeling, a long time ago, that Ubu was slowly losing its identity and becoming more like one of Thomas' solo projects - more rambly, more talkative, slightly "cabaret". Nothing wrong with this sort of thing but for a while you got two quite distinct experiences but now they seem to be a lot closer, especially with Two Pale Boys guitarist Moline now in Ubu. Maybe I should give them another go. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:28:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] TWAT and Derek or was it Chris Actually Mark is right on, were you to live in the U.S John you would better understand the angst of even republicans over here with our 'beloved' leader', as Mark points out, if ya don't like it delete it: there are MANY topics that I have no interst in whatsoever, but I have never,except when I feel listee's are under attack, asked Miles to censor or get rid of members. We live in a very politicised world, to ignore this is perilous. Wire,wire,wire,wire,wire,wire (that better?)A - --- John Hobson wrote: > Can we have a moratorium on George Bush, Iraq, > Storms etc on this list? > There are plenty of other lists for active > discussion on these matters but > there's enough depression around without downloading > more on a specialised > list? > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:55:11 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: [idealcopy] Peel Tribute A special tribute CD will be released next month, in honour of the late BBC Radio 1 DJ, John Peel. The album will be a two disc set containing songs by some of John Peels favourite artists. Money raised will go to helping such charities as Salvation Army, East Anglias Childrens Hospices and the Kariandusi School Trust. CD1 Tracklisting : 01. Lonnie Donegan - Lost John 02. Tyrannosaurus Rex - Deborah 03. Pink Floyd - Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun 04. Jimi Hendrix Experience - Spanish Castle Magic 05. Van Morrison - Sweet Thing 06. David Bowie - Life On Mars 07. The Doors - Five To One 08. Tim Buckley - Song For A Siren 09. Rod Stewart / The Faces - Stay With Me 10. The Misunderstood - I Can Take You To The Sun 11. Country Joe & The Fish - Not So Sweet Martha Lorraine 12. Fairport Convention - Meet On The Ledge 13. Captain Beefheart - Big Eyed Beans From Venus 14. Loudon Wainwright III - Be Careful There Is A Baby In The House 15. Roy Buchanan - I Am a Lonesome Fugitive 16. The Bonzo Dog Doodah Band - Mr Apollo 17. The Ramones - I Dont Want To Walk Around With You 18. The Clash - Complete Control 19. Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart 20. New Order - Ceremony CD2 Tracklisting : 01. The Undertones - Teenage Kicks 02. Altered Images - Happy Birthday 03. The Smiths - How Soon Is Now 04. The Cocteau Twins - Pearly-Dewdrops Drops 05. Jesus & Mary Chain - Sidewalking 06. Blur - Song 2 07. Culture - Lion Rock 08. Billy Bragg - New England 09. Robert Wyatt - Shipbuilding 10. The Wedding Present - Brassneck 11. PJ Harvey - Sheila Na Gig 12. Pulp - Common People 13. The Fall - Theme From Sparta F.C. 14. Super Furry Animals - Something For The Weekend 15. Nina Nastasia - Bird Of Cuzco 16. The Delgados - Pull The Wires From The Wall 17. Belle & Sebastian - Lazy Line Painter Jane 18. Laura Cantrell - Two Seconds 19. Orbital - Chime 20. Elmore James - Dust My Blues Actually, although I'm probably 'the poppy one' on this list, I'd like it to be a bit less populist. I know he loved Teenage Kicks (and so do I!) and as a Bolan fan I think it's great that he's there, but what about cd filled with the type of nonsense that you would never hear ANYWHERE else? The Temple City Kazoo Orchestra? The Monkey Power Trio? The Stupid Babies? Or even Bogshed... I know one double album is never gonna truly represent the breadth of Peel shows over the years - and I'll gladly admit to liking a lot of what has been chosen, but surely it could have taken a few more risks... np Klonhetrz - 3 girl rhumba ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:55:44 -0700 From: rdc Subject: Re: [idealcopy] TWAT and Derek or was it Chris WIR? Ari wrote: >Actually Mark is right on, were you to live in the U.S >John you would better understand the angst of even >republicans over here with our 'beloved' leader', as >Mark points out, if ya don't like it delete it: there >are MANY topics that I have no interst in whatsoever, >but I have never,except when I feel listee's are under >attack, asked Miles to censor or get rid of members. >We live in a very politicised world, to ignore this is >perilous. >Wire,wire,wire,wire,wire,wire (that better?)A > >--- John Hobson wrote: > > > >>Can we have a moratorium on George Bush, Iraq, >>Storms etc on this list? >>There are plenty of other lists for active >>discussion on these matters but >>there's enough depression around without downloading >>more on a specialised >>list? >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:59:19 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Mahden Daaance >>Before my time, Mark! ; )<< > > > Your time is my time! > > ;-) Quite! BTW As an early 80's afficianado (!), you may be interested to know that the support act was 24 Hours, which is Jez from A Certain Ratio's new band. They didn't blow me away, but they were enjoyable enough - obviously there was a similarity to ACR, but they were more like New Order to be honest (and the words 'Factory' and 'Benelux' came to mind on more than one occasion!). There was also one number when he sounded like the guy in The Beloved, and another which had a Bo Diddley riff over an almost jazzy backing, which was completed by featuring a trumpet solo. Not entirely successful admitedly, but *kinda* interesting... There was also a whistle and a cow horn in attendence, though it's fair to say that word 'doomy' came to mind more often that the word 'party'! Actually, I'd be interested in hearing them on record, cos I think there could a be a few growers there... K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:28:11 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Mahden Daaance >>BTW As an early 80's afficianado (!), you may be interested to know that the support act was 24 Hours, which is Jez from A Certain Ratio's new band. They didn't blow me away, but they were enjoyable enough - obviously there was a similarity to ACR, but they were more like New Order to be honest (and the words 'Factory' and 'Benelux' came to mind on more than one occasion!). There was also one number when he sounded like the guy in The Beloved, and another which had a Bo Diddley riff over an almost jazzy backing, which was completed by featuring a trumpet solo. Not entirely successful admitedly, but *kinda* interesting... There was also a whistle and a cow horn in attendence, though it's fair to say that word 'doomy' came to mind more often that the word 'party'! Actually, I'd be interested in hearing them on record, cos I think there could a be a few growers there...<< Jez stuff here... _http://www.urbanite.co.uk/artists/24hours.html_ (http://www.urbanite.co.uk/artists/24hours.html) It's very ambient dance music on protools stuff - you're supposed to buy these, but you can listen online. I suspect it's changed a bit since he made these recordings. I'll be seeing ACR in a couple of weeks in Newcastle. Looking forward to it - - they were excellent when I last saw them (about 3 years ago) - played a lot of 1980-81 stuff. Apparently there's half a new album's worth now - so Mr Kerr is being very productive at the moment! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:33:28 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V8 #256 OT D Thomas >>I tend to agree with Tony that Ubu has become something of a loose concept but I'll turn out for Non-Alignment Pact and The Modern Dance any day of the week.<< It has become very "granny on bongos" now - but the band sounded good. With the Fall, while you miss Scanlon & Hanley, the band has evolved into something else quite brilliant. Not sure Dave T has the same edge as MES these days - current UBU is quite restrained, which Modern Dance-era Ubu wasn't. Wonder what the odds are for the new Fall album winning the Mercury Prize next year? Given the band's critical reappraisal over the past year or two... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:39:43 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Peel Tribute >>Actually, although I'm probably 'the poppy one' on this list, I'd like it to be a bit less populist. I know he loved Teenage Kicks (and so do I!) and as a Bolan fan I think it's great that he's there, but what about cd filled with the type of nonsense that you would never hear ANYWHERE else? The Temple City Kazoo Orchestra? The Monkey Power Trio? The Stupid Babies?<< I guess this comp says: "This is how important JP was - without him these voices might have never been heard". There's room for another that says: "He threw this stuff at you too and you ignored it, you stupid sods". Trouble is there's so much of that. Personally I'd love a distillation of the Peel show around 78-79, when I was listening almost nightly.... I guess there are 10-years-younger listeners who feel the same about the shows of 1989... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:49:49 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Scottish Play......... >>Very hard to manufacture SECAM originally - probably helped keep the French market to French manufacturers. Also explains why Russia adopted it - too expensive for the rest of Europe to manufacture just to sell to Russia - helped keep foreign sales out. As time went by, the price of the electronics dropped - and now it's no longer an issue. ^_^<< The French adopted it for the very specific reason of protectionism. The French have never bought into the Treaty of Rome - at one point they insisted that all Japanese imports had to pass through one port - a tiny fishing port with very slow customs clearance. As a result, back in the 1980s, Japanese cars had just 3% of the French market as opposed to 11% in Free Market Britain. As self-appointed rulers of the EU, France bends the rules to suit its own needs. Sometimes it backfires - hence low Internet use compared to other countries. Russia would have adopted SECAM because the French sold the technology to them for a good price... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 02:17:29 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Peel Tribute On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 08:39:43PM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > there are 10-years-younger listeners who feel the same about the > shows of 1989... 20 and 1999. Without Peel I'm not a radio DJ, I'm not a club DJ, I'm not a musician. - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | http://covertmusic.com/ | work: adw27@cam.ac.uk "interrupting my train of thought" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:29:50 -0700 From: under_moratorium Subject: [idealcopy] Why Ur you guys get the coolest gigs. even here in el lay it's mostly geezers in spandex and wigs churning out motley crue covers.........i stand corrected, it was motley crue. now, i'm not an ageist pig, being 6 months shy of half a century old, i find that a lot of groups age much more gracefully than others. oh what was the pint....er, point? my anxiety level at trying to remain on topic...oh yes. the last great gig here was f(*&ing Wire at the El Rey...right? it was the El Rey. i'd certainly turn out for non-alignment pact and modern dance as well. what's anyone think of the new bunnymen thing or citizen caned? they are trotting new (?) model army out again aren't they? to those (sic) i may have offended: my e-mail was to inform friends on the list of a)someone made an off the cuff remark that was genius and i wanted to let them know b) i used their idea to do a parody website that will probably evolve into something completely other and c) to invite folks to contribute should they like. As far as the depressive nature of things, i had thought that doing nothing about those things was depressing and that even though problems appeared immense to shut down in the face of it was counter revolutionary. i went to new orleans for almost 2 weeks. you have no idea how depressing it really is. so, in a nut shell, my thought that it was better to do something rather than nothing, in so far as it might make one feel better to have at least tried was perhaps specious. I may have helped a lot of other people feel a little better, i got to hang out with michael moore and the wonderful woman helping bush make his own life miserable. i can see how noone would want to hear about it. we wouldn't want to know about Read Then Burn being wake up music for a communal kitchen on the north shore of the lake. we wouldn't want to know about punkers out there feeding people many of whom were brought into the scene from having heard 'pink flag' but now i'm just tired and listening to nothing but tuxedo moon and diamanda galas. there's no place to get a good pint round here either...and i'm cranky to boot. 'ky bye r . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:42:13 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Peel Tribute Back when I ws Music Director of my college radio station in Western Michigan, I had The Temple City Kazoo Orchestra's rendition of Whole Lotta Love in medium to heavy rotation through an entire term. Of course Mr Peel had slightly more listeners.... Erm Nevermind On 9/23/05, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > >>Actually, although I'm probably 'the poppy one' on this list, I'd like > it > to > be a bit less populist. > > I know he loved Teenage Kicks (and so do I!) and as a Bolan fan I think > it's > great that he's there, but what about cd filled with the type of nonsense > that > you would never hear ANYWHERE else? > > The Temple City Kazoo Orchestra? The Monkey Power Trio? The Stupid > Babies?<< > > > > I guess this comp says: "This is how important JP was - without him these > voices might have never been heard". > > There's room for another that says: "He threw this stuff at you too and > you > ignored it, you stupid sods". > > Trouble is there's so much of that. Personally I'd love a distillation of > the Peel show around 78-79, when I was listening almost nightly.... I > guess > there are 10-years-younger listeners who feel the same about the shows of > 1989... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:07:59 -0700 From: tried heart popcorn Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Peel Tribute hey, i whole heartedly recommend Cornology, the Bonzo Dog Band collection.one of my favorite acquisitions as of late and one of favs for the last several years. before that was the drautrocsk sampler box that came out with all the amon duul II stuff. what would the world have done with out viv stanshaw (and keith moon)? everyone know the three legged trouser act they used to pull? David McKenzie wrote: >Back when I ws Music Director of my college radio station in Western >Michigan, I had The Temple City Kazoo Orchestra's rendition of Whole Lotta >Love in medium to heavy rotation through an entire term. >Of course Mr Peel had slightly more listeners.... >Erm >Nevermind > > On 9/23/05, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > >>>>Actually, although I'm probably 'the poppy one' on this list, I'd like >>>> >>>> >>it >>to >>be a bit less populist. >> >>I know he loved Teenage Kicks (and so do I!) and as a Bolan fan I think >>it's >>great that he's there, but what about cd filled with the type of nonsense >>that >>you would never hear ANYWHERE else? >> >>The Temple City Kazoo Orchestra? The Monkey Power Trio? The Stupid >>Babies?<< >> >> >> >>I guess this comp says: "This is how important JP was - without him these >>voices might have never been heard". >> >>There's room for another that says: "He threw this stuff at you too and >>you >>ignored it, you stupid sods". >> >>Trouble is there's so much of that. Personally I'd love a distillation of >>the Peel show around 78-79, when I was listening almost nightly.... I >>guess >>there are 10-years-younger listeners who feel the same about the shows of >>1989... >> >>Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #257 *******************************