From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #255 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, September 22 2005 Volume 08 : Number 255 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] The Scottish Play......... [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Go4 on Saturday [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] OT: Go4 on Saturday ["Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Scottish Play......... Up to a point. To explain....... I've thus far resisted buying any kind of 'stand-alone' DVD gizmo at all, prefering to wait until the price of *recording* models drop to a realistic price, and either the 'format wars' sort themselves out or there is more universality about which machine will play which disk. I can live without shelling out #18 for a disk that I subsequently find won't play. And then there's the format wars:- DVD+, DVD-, and now, the seemingly new compatability issue surrounding the AMOUNT of data stored on disk:- is it single layered, or dual, etc etc. Having been here before with VHS/Betamax/V2000 etc, I am, for the moment, reluctant to shell out on a machine destined to be obsolete before it wears out.... As for the 'Scottish play' release, I thought they *perhaps* missed a trick not putting out a PAL variant at least, as apart from the UK, I think all the ex-Eastern bloc countries use PAL-D, as does Australasia, [I think?], so that would have caught plenty of other possible sales...... I may cave in though, and snap one up , although it'd mainly be on the strengh of the stuff recorded at the Flag:Burning event (4 tracks, I think, from a single fixed camera), which would be a nice memento. I'm not bothered that it's from one stationary camera:- After all, I too watched it from a fixed vantage point !! The minimal camera work is anyhow, entirely appropriate for a band where minimalism is never far away..... Finally, This is entirely from long-ago memory, but the only country using anything else is France, which I think went with SECAM, as did *some* Francophone countries in Africa and East Asia. Ari wrote: ...just got 'round to purchasing it, it still strikes me as odd that it was released in ntsc format only: were any euro's/ROW's 'put off' from purchasing it because of this ? A Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:17:21 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Scottish Play......... > Finally, This is entirely from long-ago memory, but the only country using > anything else is France, which I think went with SECAM, as did *some* > Francophone countries in Africa and East Asia. > Russia uses SECAM as well. A fairly complete list is here: http://kropla.com/tv.htm (My senior project for my Electrical Engineering degree in college was...world wide color television standards. ^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:00:03 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Scottish Play......... >>I've thus far resisted buying any kind of 'stand-alone' DVD gizmo at all, preferring to wait until the price of *recording* models drop to a realistic price,<< DVD recorders have dropped to very reasonable prices now - I've seen basic models for under #100, though I guess the ones to have will be HD recorders with a burner, so you can 'edit' recordings pre-burning. Would be useful, say, for Glastonbury highlights, or to keep the one decent band on Later etc.. >> and either the 'format wars' sort themselves out or there is more universality about which machine will play which disk. I can live without shelling out #18 for a disk that I subsequently find won't play. And then there's the format wars:- DVD+, DVD-, and now, the seemingly new compatibility issue surrounding the AMOUNT of data stored on disk:- is it single layered, or dual, etc etc. << I was an early adopter - went with the Philips +R system - which seems to be the simplest, though there were early problems - in fact the initial machine I bought had problems and Richer Sounds (excellent as ever) upgraded it to a newer (but cheaper) model - and refunded me the difference. That too turned out to be a dud, but its replacement has been trouble-free for 18 months. Maybe it'll expire before the guarantee runs out - and i'll be able to upgrade on the cheap to a HD machine ;-) >>Having been here before with VHS/Betamax/V2000 etc, I am, for the moment, reluctant to shell out on a machine destined to be obsolete before it wears out.... << It's not the same - with the Video formats, the cassettes were different sizes. DVDs aren't - once you've finalised a -R or +R disc, it'll play on any DVD player. I've got -R discs that play fine on my +R machine. Just make sure you buy the right blanks, and you're fine. >>As for the 'Scottish play' release, I thought they *perhaps* missed a trick not putting out a PAL variant at least, as apart from the UK, I think all the ex-Eastern bloc countries use PAL-D, as does Australasia, [I think?], so that would have caught plenty of other possible sales......<< I think the point was that just about all Euro machines will play NTSC, while not all US machines can play PAL. So NTSC was a good compromise for - it only meant only one set of mastering and pressing, making TSP and OTB viable low-run products for PinkFlag. It's not exactly TimeWarnerAOL, y'know! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:20:13 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Go4 on Saturday So, who's going to see the Gang of Four play Entertainment! at the Barbican on Saturday? I shall be there and am amenable to a meeting place. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Go4 on Saturday - --- Keith Knight wrote: >> So, who's going to see the Gang of Four play Entertainment! at the Barbican on Saturday? I shall be there and am amenable to a meeting place. Another the Keith<< Nothing I'd like more K, however I'm just gonna hafta wait 'till they get to Chapel Hii (Oct 6, and oh so very late for this early riser)...... A Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:54:41 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Go4 on Saturday >>So, who's going to see the Gang of Four play Entertainment! at the Barbican on Saturday? I shall be there and am amenable to a meeting place.<< I'll be there - any ideas or shall we meet in the bar? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:53:56 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Go4 on Saturday There was that pub we met in before flag:burning, just up from Barbican tube. Can't remember the name but can research later. - -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] Sent: 21 September 2005 21:55 To: steeleknight@lineone.net; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Go4 on Saturday >>So, who's going to see the Gang of Four play Entertainment! at the Barbican on Saturday? I shall be there and am amenable to a meeting place.<< I'll be there - any ideas or shall we meet in the bar? ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #255 *******************************