From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #242 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, September 9 2005 Volume 08 : Number 242 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] o.t: White Stripes....... [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] OT : Of Mercury Prize and Overground Underground ["Keith ] Re: [idealcopy] OT : Of Mercury Prize and Overground Underground ["John H] RE: [idealcopy] OT : Of Mercury Prize and Overground Underground ["Keith] Re: [idealcopy] OT : Of Mercury Prize and Overground Underground [Andrew ] [idealcopy] o.t: Fiona Apploe on t.v tomorrow eve benefit for N.O [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] o.t: this from a friend [David McKenzie Subject: [idealcopy] o.t: White Stripes....... The White Stripes Live: September 27 September 6, 2005 7 The White Stripes will perform their first live audio web cast for NPR.org on September 27. Fans can hear the band's full performance from the Merriweather Post Pavilion in Columbia, MD online, along with opening acts by M. Ward and The Shins. It's the latest in NPR Music's live concert series from All Songs Considered. Go To: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4627437 Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:34:11 +0100 From: "Keith A" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Of Mercury Prize and Overground Underground > I can forsee a lot of > 'difficult 2nd Albums' from the likes of Razorlight, Futureheads, Kaiser > Chiefs et al when NME has found new bands to hype up next year. Apparently the backlash against their former darlings Manchester's The Longcut has started already - and they haven't released their first album yet!! On the subject of the NME, does anyone know whether they actaully reviewed Profile? > Will he go the way of Roni Size, Miss Dynamite, Gomez et al? Yes > probably! Nobody who has ever won a mercury prize has gone onto a long > and glittering career. Ms Dynamite returns with her new album later this year. She hasn't rushed, has she!! I wouldn't be surprised if she sells a few. > Plus the Mercury Panel has a habit of missing the zeitgeist defining > record (e.g M People won over 'Parklife' at the height of Britpop, Roni > Size won over OK Computer etc etc..) I wonder what this years will be. Coldplay! Keith > n.p. The Free Design - Redesigned What's it like? np Pixies - at the bbc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:10:40 +0100 From: "John Hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Of Mercury Prize and Overground Underground - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: > Anthony? Fair enough, I'm not crazy about the record and I think he has a > better one in him, but he's a good artist and he could probably use the > cash unlike most prizewinners..plus he's probably deserving of some wider > publicity. Good to see something a bit dark and difficult winning. > Apparently Radio 1 and Radio 2 get lots of complaints when they play his > tunes. Surely a good thing these days?!! > I listened to Radio 1 in the car over the Bank Holiday as the kids insisted and it seems R1 has recently discovered Arcade Fire. A listener requested a track and the 2 DeeJays in traditional Tony Blackburn mode seemed to find this very daring that they were actually going to play a tune by somebody they didn't know. In a panic they said Zane Lowe liked it (so if its crap don't blame us because the cool kids like it) and after playing it seemed lost for words. I presume they expected MIA meets Kaye West mixed with loads of expletives. Bit Like Tony B playing the Clash's Tommy Gun many moons ago because it was on the playlist. Tony groaned and moaned about having to play it, did so and to his horror realised he quite liked it... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 20:59:32 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT : Of Mercury Prize and Overground Underground - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of John Hobson I listened to Radio 1 in the car over the Bank Holiday as the kids insisted and it seems R1 has recently discovered Arcade Fire. - ----------------------------- Arcade Fire have also been creeping into the background music used by the BBC under adverts for future radio programmes. I'm always in two minds about that sort of usage - pleased that something decent has been recognised but dissatisfied that it has been used as background music. Something of a promising few weeks for new albums coming up. Next week sees Sigur Ros' 'Takk' which has the potential to be one of the albums of the year. I got hold of the single Glossoli free with Word magazine this week and played it half a dozen times back to back - an awesome slab of noise. The new CocoRosie album is out next week - more weird sounds and falsetto vocals linked to interesting sound structures hoped for. A week later it's King Creosote's 'KC rules OK', his album backed by The Earlies. As The Earlies won't be releasing an album this year this should be the next best thing and KC is writing some fine songs at present on the basis of his Green Man set. And on 7 Nov, the most anticipated of all - Kate Bush's Aerial. Can it be worth the wait? What the hell will it sound like? Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:21:53 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT : Of Mercury Prize and Overground Underground On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 08:59:32PM +0100, Keith Knight wrote: > And on 7 Nov, the most anticipated of all *ahem* I think you mean the 17th of October - Boards of Canada, "The Campfire Headphase". (go get "Oscar See Through Red Eye" from Bleep, it's been lodged on rotation on my mp3 player all week.) Seriously, the autumn release schedule is looking good. If you're very, very unfortunate it *might* even include half a 12" by yrs truly... - - Andrew (np: Nina Nastasia, actually) - -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | http://covertmusic.com/ | work: adw27@cam.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:12:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] o.t: Fiona Apploe on t.v tomorrow eve benefit for N.O FIONA TO PLAY HURRICANE RELIEF CONCERT 9/10 Fiona will perform on MTV's Hurricane Katrina Relief benefit concert, airing live on Saturday, 9/10, at 8PM ET on MTV, VH1, CMT, MTV2, MTVu and VH1 Classic. The show benefits the American Red Cross and other relief organizations. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:13:08 +0100 From: "Scott Kellock" Subject: [idealcopy] Worldwidegigguide Hi fellow Githeads, Seems like Worldwidegigguide has caught onto the githead tour, A new site that is launching early next year where it seems decent bands are covered. Check it out ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:50:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] o.t: this from a friend People are going around and around about who should have done what at what time to get food and water to the victims of Katrina, and to get the buses there to evacuate people from the city who didn't get out on their own, and to get medical care to the elderly so they wouldn't die, and to get control of the shelter areas so that people wouldn't be beaten, raped, and murdered at the convention center and the Superdome. Let's assume we're not deciding who should have done what at what time. My problem with Bush -- and here, I do indeed address Bush individually, as a guy -- is that during the time that the crisis was developing, from Monday to Friday, he never seemed to experience any actual sense of urgency as a result of the simple fact that people were, minute by minute and hour by hour, dying. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt that he was being prevented from acting by bureaucracy and the sheer magnitude of the situation. Where are the stories of how he was in his office freaking the fuck out because there were tens of thousands of Americans trapped without food and water? Where's the story of how he ripped a strip off of somebody, demanding to know what the holy hell the holdup is getting water and food to those people? I want to hear about how he was demanding that extraordinary steps be taken. I want to hear about how he sent his lawyers into a room -- he had four days, you know -- and demanded that they come back in an hour with a plan for him to send the Marines into New Orleans with 100 trucks of food and water, posse comitatus or not. I want to hear that he was panicked. Because I was panicked. Everyone I know was panicked. Everyone I know was gnashing their teeth with helpless rage because they couldn't get in a car, drive down there, and drive a load of homeless Louisiana residents back home with them for soup and a goddamn hot bath. I want to hear that he acted at some point out of genuine despondency about the fact that citizens of the country he is supposed to be running were being starved and dehydrated in a hellish, fetid prison. We are dancing around now about whether it is his failure or not his failure. Where is the decency that would tell him that he is the president, and FEMA is part of his administration, and this failure is his to own and apologize for, whether other people also were wrong or not? Why is he even trying to shift blame to anyone else? Why isn't he wracked with such guilt, justified or not, that he can't stand up straight? How is it possible that late in the week, when it was so obvious that every safeguard meant to guard against just this kind of catastrophe had failed and he had failed every citizen of that city, he had the joviality to make jokes about his partying days in New Orleans? I'm not talking here about appropriateness or sensitivity, although both were obviously lacking, and there's been no apology for that, either. I'm wondering how it's possible that he felt that way. How was he not tormented? Because he wasn't. You can see that he wasn't. I would feel better if there were some report that he seemed, at some point... shaken. Upset. Angry. Desperate. Something. Something other than "on vacation" and then "lecturing emptily about how much help everyone's going to get, provided they haven't already died of dehydration, drowned, or committed suicide." The state has the primary responsibility, you say? Okay, fine. Then I want to hear how Bush offered the governor whatever she wanted on whatever terms he could legally get it to her, because it made absolutely no difference who got credit. I want to hear how he couldn't concentrate like the rest of us couldn't concentrate, because he was so consumed by images on television of old women in wheelchairs slowly dying. Prevented from going into the city by the criminals? Are you telling me that armed thugs could take over a suburban neighborhood and surround it, and law enforcement would stand back until the thugs decided to go away? The people at the Superdome who were following all the rules were being, in a sense, held hostage by the relatively small number who chose to be violent -- to shoot at planes and whatnot. Since when do we leave good citizens to die because we don't want to get dirty doing law enforcement? Say what you want about the mayor and governor -- those people were in pain. They saw people suffering and dying and took it as a given that it couldn't go on that way, and that if it did, government's response would be a failure. The mayor cried at the top of his lungs for help. I want to hear that Bush cried at the top of his lungs for help. I want to hear that he called every corporate hotshot he's befriended in the last twenty years and told them that if they ever wanted another invitation to the White House for dinner, they were going to pony up a fat wad of cash to the Red Cross, and they were going to do it yesterday. I want him to have reacted like a person who happened to also be the president. I want him to have felt the same bone-deep sense of shock that I felt at the thought that this could happen in a large city, easily accessible by trucks, in a wealthy country. I want him to have gotten on the damn phone and told somebody that if there wasn't water for every person at the Superdome within eight hours, that person's head was going to roll, and he didn't care how it got done, it had better get done. I want him not to have sat around on his ass on vacation while people's children were being taken from their arms to be rescued. I want Bush not to have spent four days dicking around while the conditions deteriorated. I want him to have acted sooner, not because it was his obligation as president and it would reflect badly on him if he didn't, but because people were dying, and everyone I know who could think of something to do did it. There were a million things he could have done besides sit around making happy speeches about how everything would be fine. The stupid comment about Trent Lott's porch doesn't infuriate me because Trent Lott can't miss his porch. He has as much right to be sad over his losses as anyone. But the lighthearted way in which Bush delivered those remarks was absolutely chilling. I want him to have been consumed with grief and sorrow at the dying that was ongoing, and he wasn't. I want him to have felt like a profound failure because an entire segment of the population of one of America's greatest cities was suffering and was at risk of starving to death, but he didn't. I want him to have been embarrassed when the FEMA director gave up the information that FEMA knew less about the convention center than CNN, but he wasn't. I want him not to have smirked his way through the entire experience, and he did. No matter whose fault the slow relief effort was, the fact of the matter is that these are Americans, and this is their president, and the fact that they were homeless, starving, dying of thirst, and deprived of medication never once seemed to actually bother him. ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:02:04 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] o.t: this from a friend in a word amen On 9/8/05, Ari wrote: > > People are going around and around about who should > have done what at what time to get food and water to > the victims of Katrina, and to get the buses there to > evacuate people from the city who didn't get out on > their own, and to get medical care to the elderly so > they wouldn't die, and to get control of the shelter > areas so that people wouldn't be beaten, raped, and > murdered at the convention center and the Superdome. > Let's assume we're not deciding who should have done > what at what time. > > My problem with Bush -- and here, I do indeed address > Bush individually, as a guy -- is that during the time > that the crisis was developing, from Monday to Friday, > he never seemed to experience any actual sense of > urgency as a result of the simple fact that people > were, minute by minute and hour by hour, dying. > > Let's give him the benefit of the doubt that he was > being prevented from acting by bureaucracy and the > sheer magnitude of the situation. Where are the > stories of how he was in his office freaking the fuck > out because there were tens of thousands of Americans > trapped without food and water? Where's the story of > how he ripped a strip off of somebody, demanding to > know what the holy hell the holdup is getting water > and food to those people? > > I want to hear about how he was demanding that > extraordinary steps be taken. I want to hear about how > he sent his lawyers into a room -- he had four days, > you know -- and demanded that they come back in an > hour with a plan for him to send the Marines into New > Orleans with 100 trucks of food and water, posse > comitatus or not. I want to hear that he was panicked. > Because I was panicked. Everyone I know was panicked. > Everyone I know was gnashing their teeth with helpless > rage because they couldn't get in a car, drive down > there, and drive a load of homeless Louisiana > residents back home with them for soup and a goddamn > hot bath. I want to hear that he acted at some point > out of genuine despondency about the fact that > citizens of the country he is supposed to be running > were being starved and dehydrated in a hellish, fetid > prison. We are dancing around now about whether it is > his failure or not his failure. Where is the decency > that would tell him that he is the president, and FEMA > is part of his administration, and this failure is his > to own and apologize for, whether other people also > were wrong or not? > > Why is he even trying to shift blame to anyone else? > Why isn't he wracked with such guilt, justified or > not, that he can't stand up straight? How is it > possible that late in the week, when it was so obvious > that every safeguard meant to guard against just this > kind of catastrophe had failed and he had failed every > citizen of that city, he had the joviality to make > jokes about his partying days in New Orleans? I'm not > talking here about appropriateness or sensitivity, > although both were obviously lacking, and there's been > no apology for that, either. I'm wondering how it's > possible that he felt that way. How was he not > tormented? Because he wasn't. You can see that he > wasn't. I would feel better if there were some report > that he seemed, at some point... shaken. Upset. Angry. > Desperate. Something. Something other than "on > vacation" and then "lecturing emptily about how much > help everyone's going to get, provided they haven't > already died of dehydration, drowned, or committed > suicide." > > The state has the primary responsibility, you say? > Okay, fine. Then I want to hear how Bush offered the > governor whatever she wanted on whatever terms he > could legally get it to her, because it made > absolutely no difference who got credit. I want to > hear how he couldn't concentrate like the rest of us > couldn't concentrate, because he was so consumed by > images on television of old women in wheelchairs > slowly dying. > > Prevented from going into the city by the criminals? > Are you telling me that armed thugs could take over a > suburban neighborhood and surround it, and law > enforcement would stand back until the thugs decided > to go away? The people at the Superdome who were > following all the rules were being, in a sense, held > hostage by the relatively small number who chose to be > violent -- to shoot at planes and whatnot. Since when > do we leave good citizens to die because we don't want > to get dirty doing law enforcement? > > Say what you want about the mayor and governor -- > those people were in pain. They saw people suffering > and dying and took it as a given that it couldn't go > on that way, and that if it did, government's response > would be a failure. The mayor cried at the top of his > lungs for help. I want to hear that Bush cried at the > top of his lungs for help. I want to hear that he > called every corporate hotshot he's befriended in the > last twenty years and told them that if they ever > wanted another invitation to the White House for > dinner, they were going to pony up a fat wad of cash > to the Red Cross, and they were going to do it > yesterday. > > I want him to have reacted like a person who happened > to also be the president. I want him to have felt the > same bone-deep sense of shock that I felt at the > thought that this could happen in a large city, easily > accessible by trucks, in a wealthy country. I want him > to have gotten on the damn phone and told somebody > that if there wasn't water for every person at the > Superdome within eight hours, that person's head was > going to roll, and he didn't care how it got done, it > had better get done. I want him not to have sat around > on his ass on vacation while people's children were > being taken from their arms to be rescued. > > I want Bush not to have spent four days dicking around > while the conditions deteriorated. I want him to have > acted sooner, not because it was his obligation as > president and it would reflect badly on him if he > didn't, but because people were dying, and everyone I > know who could think of something to do did it. There > were a million things he could have done besides sit > around making happy speeches about how everything > would be fine. The stupid comment about Trent Lott's > porch doesn't infuriate me because Trent Lott can't > miss his porch. He has as much right to be sad over > his losses as anyone. But the lighthearted way in > which Bush delivered those remarks was absolutely > chilling. > > I want him to have been consumed with grief and sorrow > at the dying that was ongoing, and he wasn't. I want > him to have felt like a profound failure because an > entire segment of the population of one of America's > greatest cities was suffering and was at risk of > starving to death, but he didn't. I want him to have > been embarrassed when the FEMA director gave up the > information that FEMA knew less about the convention > center than CNN, but he wasn't. I want him not to have > smirked his way through the entire experience, and he > did. > > No matter whose fault the slow relief effort was, the > fact of the matter is that these are Americans, and > this is their president, and the fact that they were > homeless, starving, dying of thirst, and deprived of > medication never once seemed to actually bother him. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #242 *******************************