From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #238 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, September 5 2005 Volume 08 : Number 238 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans ["nowhere man" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:31:55 -0700 From: "nowhere man" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans i, along with many AMerikkkans challenge the assertion he was reelected. it was rigged and fucked up like the first one. i voted in tampa, fl, as a democrat and there is no record of my voting. i have since joined the dope and guns party..i kid you not. read all about it at the robert anton wilson site. "every man and woman is a tsar." very good post, insightful, and i agreed with some of it. alot of it. i'm glad to be native american. after peak oil i can maybe ride and shoot again and lead a life of dignity as we once did before the wasichus came. perhaps some day i can hang republican scalps in my lodge and honour my ancestors. oops, another skinhead for peace, adios - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McKenzie" To: "Keith Knight" Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans > Second Supreme Court appointment, and Chief Justice to boot. > I highly recommend a free subscription to Stratfor's intelligence > briefings. > www.stratfor.com > Short on moralistic posturing, long on pertinent analysis. > Personally, I prefer to apply morality to fact, rather than the other. > > On 9/4/05, Keith Knight wrote: > > > > Great stuff David. I see Rehnquist has just died so the first Supreme > > Court appointment is now open. > > > > The issue of NO's port importance was mentioned on Radio FiveLive in the > > UK this morning, for the first time I'm aware. Lots of US oil imports > > through it. > > > > Another the Keith > > > > -----Original Message----- > > *From:* David McKenzie [mailto:davidmack@gmail.com] > > *Sent:* 04 September 2005 18:09 > > *To:* CHRISWIRE@aol.com > > *Cc:* steeleknight@lineone.net; idealcopy@smoe.org > > *Subject:* Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans > > > > > > I must agree with Keith on almost all points, but need to add a couple > > others: > > > > First - Bush doesn't just not care about black folks, he doesn't care > > about poor folks - there are plenty other poor white folks in a world of > > hurt as well. And he has a demonstrable measure of respect for not poor > > folks of various color. The thing that is so friggin galling about his > > attitude is that without daddy, he would be another ignorant cracker his own > > sef. > > > > Second - There is more depth and complexity to this disaster than the > > media of any bias is mentioning. I have yet to see any mention of the impact > > of closing the world's fifth busiest port just before harvest. This has > > global implications on the world economy and food markets. Not to mention > > the impact on industry from the impending scarcity of raw materials. THe US > > has not completely transitioned to a service economy. Housten can take up > > some of the slack and some of the population, but they don't have the > > Mississippi River. NO is not where it is because it is picturesque ; it > > is(was?) there because it had to be. > > > > Third - There is NO doubt available resources were mobilized too late. > > Never mind Iraq, the scant resources we have were woefully mismanaged. > > > > Fourth - The next BIG headache - IRAQ... Iraq was always a gamble that we > > would not have significant need of military and civil engineering resources > > elsewhere. The US was not geared for two major battles, but we just got our > > second. Regardless of how evil/ill-considered/immoral/etc you might consider > > the US presence in Iraq, the invasion destroyed order and infrastructure > > which has not been recovered. And it would be just as naive to think that > > immediate withdrawl would be followed by any sort of sane order as it was > > for the neocons to think that good things would naturally occur simply by > > the absence of Saddam Hussein. The fact is that a troubled society is not > > healed by the immediate removal of the most visible symptom, be it the > > previous Baathist regime, or whatever you want to call the current > > situation. > > > > The fact is that GWB has written checks that we cannot cover, and there is > > no such thing as bankruptcy court to provide the way out. > > > > Fifth - Sorry as I am to say this - Nothing even approaching justice will > > touch GW Bush or his circle of priviledge. The media and the american people > > have rescinded his free pass and will scrutinize his future decisions more > > closely. But he is still the President. And it takes more than a simple > > majority to get legislation past him. Not to mention, he is now offered the > > opportunity to make two more decisions with far reaching consequences in > > Supreme Court appointments. There will not be a revolution. There will not > > be an impeachment. The best you can hope for is that we might elect some > > sensible people in 2006, but face it, this guy was re-elected by a public > > which cared more about same-sex marriage than they did about starting an war > > with a pre-emptive strike based on what was by then known to be the > > flimsyist pretexts. Sorry folks, GWB is not going to get his 'just desserts' > > nor is he going anywhere. > > > > The USA has allowed itself to be manipulated and played like a cheap > > piano... and until it's citizenry recognizes that the grreatest enemy is our > > own ignorance and cowardice, we will never be made whole. Face it - this guy > > should have never had a prayer. > > > > end of soapbox > > > > > > On 9/4/05, *CHRISWIRE@aol.com* wrote: > > > > My word Keith what a good post. > > You expressed most of my sentiments exactly > > And I agree about Katrina & The Waves & that old Zep tune When The Levee > > Breaks.Been wanting to express that too but have not got round to it.Seemsa > bit > > churlish too. > > Well I'll say it...Bush is a complete wanker.And I have no doubt at all > > that > > the poor in New Orleans & beyond were left to look after themselves.Yesthey > > were mostly black..but so what because middle America doesn't really give > > a > > damn.I'm alright jack mentality kicking in. > > Unfortunately it will now only polarize racial opinions further. > > It is amazing to see how this democracy falls apart very quickly when > > there > > is no power & little clean water.Americans have never had it to face > > before. > > A bit like 9/11 when they thought that terrorism was awful when watched > > through a TV screen & that it would never happen to them as they were the > > strongest country on earth. > > Well Mother Nature is still stronger than them. > > How would they have handled a Tsunami ?? > > > > Mr Bush will not recover from this whatever happens & now.things will only > > get worse for him. > > about time too I believe. > > > > Chris > > > > My 6 Cd's in the car on rotation - what are they? I hear you say.As usual > > picked at random from my eclectic collection! > > > > 1. Fridge - EPH > > > > 2.Jeff Beck - You Had It Coming - This is the winner so far. Just great > > guitar with loads of differing moods - Metal - Indian - Blues - Jazz. > > > > 3. The Beloved - X - Good dance /pop CD > > > > 4.Lush - Spooky - Produced by Robin Guthrie with a typical Cocteaus guitar > > sound. > > > > 5. The Best Of Caravan (Prog shoes on) > > > > 6. Siouxsie & The Banshees - The Rapture ( Jon Klein Guitars & John Cale > > production). ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #238 *******************************