From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #237 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, September 5 2005 Volume 08 : Number 237 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] New Orleans ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans [David McKenzie ] Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans [David McKenzie ] RE: [idealcopy] New Orleans ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans ["nowhere man" ] Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans &chriswire ["nowhere man" ] Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans ["nowhere man" ] Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans ["nowhere man" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:14:10 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] New Orleans From a distance - and being rather dispassionate about what is a clearly awful situation - this is a story which seems to cover virtually every important issue affecting the USA at present. As such, it's fascinating to see it unfold: Iraq and terrorism - how far have the war in Iraq and the anti-Terrorist measures taken resources away from homeland security such as the Louisiana National Guard? Looks like a direct link to me - they can't do anything if they're thousands of miles away. Climate Change - is this a 'wake up and smell the coffee moment' for Bush? There's a clear link between more powerful hurricanes and increased sea temperatures. This may not be a one-off. Oil - A temporary shortage it seems but enough to send a shudder through SUV owners. As someone who was paying a pound a litre to fill up in the Outer Hebrides a few weeks ago I don't have too much sympathy for complaints about US oil price hikes (which would only be increased to levels Europeans haven't experienced in decades) but nothing is more likely to upset the average American voter it would seem. Urban Black Americans and poverty - the forgotten poor are not forgotten on UK TV screens at present - they're the only people being interviewed. The suggestion is that they were the only people without their own transport, so they ended up in the conference centre etc. Will this lead to a different approach to the poor - or will they mobilise? No and no I suspect - it's Jesse Jackson or nothing. Bush's inadequacies - he comes across in every public appearance as insincere and confused. The administration around him is clearly inept, even putting any disagreement about their political views aside for the present. The inability to take notice about warnings over the past few years about New Orleans vulnerability is par for the course. I just hope that the San Andreas fault and the volcano under Yellowstone don't go off on his watch. Gun control - a relief helicopter flies over - let's shoot at it! I'm not saying people in this country would be any different as ambulances and fire engines are regularly attacked in sink estates - but usually by stones rather than firearms. One thing I find it difficult to get my head around is the distances involved. The media have described the hurricane as being as wide as Southern England - so clearly vastly destructive. But the UK is much more densely populated and we don't have the US hinterland. Should it really have taken this long to get assistance into New Orleans? Are the distances so great that it must inevitably take days? Or have the authorities been slow off the mark? Tim certainly suggests the latter and one certainly assumes that aid should be capable of getting there more quickly than it did. Two rather frivolous musical references to close. A friend mentioned the other day that he was surprised that no-one had mentioned Katrina and the Waves yet. I still haven't seen a reference - possibly an outbreak of good taste? And I've had 'When the Levee Breaks' inevitably going through my head all week (as my brain, like a deranged iPod, always responds to the word 'levee' with a burst of Zeppelin). Have those US radio stations which seem to play Zeppelin end-to-end been playing it all week or left it off the playlist out of some sort of respect? Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 11:19:52 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans My word Keith what a good post. You expressed most of my sentiments exactly And I agree about Katrina & The Waves & that old Zep tune When The Levee Breaks.Been wanting to express that too but have not got round to it.Seems a bit churlish too. Well I'll say it...Bush is a complete wanker.And I have no doubt at all that the poor in New Orleans & beyond were left to look after themselves.Yes they were mostly black..but so what because middle America doesn't really give a damn.I'm alright jack mentality kicking in. Unfortunately it will now only polarize racial opinions further. It is amazing to see how this democracy falls apart very quickly when there is no power & little clean water.Americans have never had it to face before. A bit like 9/11 when they thought that terrorism was awful when watched through a TV screen & that it would never happen to them as they were the strongest country on earth. Well Mother Nature is still stronger than them. How would they have handled a Tsunami ?? Mr Bush will not recover from this whatever happens & now.things will only get worse for him. about time too I believe. Chris My 6 Cd's in the car on rotation - what are they? I hear you say.As usual picked at random from my eclectic collection! 1. Fridge - EPH 2.Jeff Beck - You Had It Coming - This is the winner so far. Just great guitar with loads of differing moods - Metal - Indian - Blues - Jazz. 3. The Beloved - X - Good dance /pop CD 4.Lush - Spooky - Produced by Robin Guthrie with a typical Cocteaus guitar sound. 5. The Best Of Caravan (Prog shoes on) 6. Siouxsie & The Banshees - The Rapture ( Jon Klein Guitars & John Cale production). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:09:06 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans I must agree with Keith on almost all points, but need to add a couple others: First - Bush doesn't just not care about black folks, he doesn't care about poor folks - there are plenty other poor white folks in a world of hurt as well. And he has a demonstrable measure of respect for not poor folks of various color. The thing that is so friggin galling about his attitude is that without daddy, he would be another ignorant cracker his own sef. Second - There is more depth and complexity to this disaster than the media of any bias is mentioning. I have yet to see any mention of the impact of closing the world's fifth busiest port just before harvest. This has global implications on the world economy and food markets. Not to mention the impact on industry from the impending scarcity of raw materials. THe US has not completely transitioned to a service economy. Housten can take up some of the slack and some of the population, but they don't have the Mississippi River. NO is not where it is because it is picturesque ; it is(was?) there because it had to be. Third - There is NO doubt available resources were mobilized too late. Never mind Iraq, the scant resources we have were woefully mismanaged. Fourth - The next BIG headache - IRAQ... Iraq was always a gamble that we would not have significant need of military and civil engineering resources elsewhere. The US was not geared for two major battles, but we just got our second. Regardless of how evil/ill-considered/immoral/etc you might consider the US presence in Iraq, the invasion destroyed order and infrastructure which has not been recovered. And it would be just as naive to think that immediate withdrawl would be followed by any sort of sane order as it was for the neocons to think that good things would naturally occur simply by the absence of Saddam Hussein. The fact is that a troubled society is not healed by the immediate removal of the most visible symptom, be it the previous Baathist regime, or whatever you want to call the current situation. The fact is that GWB has written checks that we cannot cover, and there is no such thing as bankruptcy court to provide the way out. Fifth - Sorry as I am to say this - Nothing even approaching justice will touch GW Bush or his circle of priviledge. The media and the american people have rescinded his free pass and will scrutinize his future decisions more closely. But he is still the President. And it takes more than a simple majority to get legislation past him. Not to mention, he is now offered the opportunity to make two more decisions with far reaching consequences in Supreme Court appointments. There will not be a revolution. There will not be an impeachment. The best you can hope for is that we might elect some sensible people in 2006, but face it, this guy was re-elected by a public which cared more about same-sex marriage than they did about starting an war with a pre-emptive strike based on what was by then known to be the flimsyist pretexts. Sorry folks, GWB is not going to get his 'just desserts' nor is he going anywhere. The USA has allowed itself to be manipulated and played like a cheap piano... and until it's citizenry recognizes that the grreatest enemy is our own ignorance and cowardice, we will never be made whole. Face it - this guy should have never had a prayer. end of soapbox On 9/4/05, CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: > > My word Keith what a good post. > You expressed most of my sentiments exactly > And I agree about Katrina & The Waves & that old Zep tune When The Levee > Breaks.Been wanting to express that too but have not got round to it.Seemsa bit > churlish too. > Well I'll say it...Bush is a complete wanker.And I have no doubt at all > that > the poor in New Orleans & beyond were left to look after themselves.Yesthey > were mostly black..but so what because middle America doesn't really give > a > damn.I'm alright jack mentality kicking in. > Unfortunately it will now only polarize racial opinions further. > It is amazing to see how this democracy falls apart very quickly when > there > is no power & little clean water.Americans have never had it to face > before. > A bit like 9/11 when they thought that terrorism was awful when watched > through a TV screen & that it would never happen to them as they were the > strongest country on earth. > Well Mother Nature is still stronger than them. > How would they have handled a Tsunami ?? > > Mr Bush will not recover from this whatever happens & now.things will only > get worse for him. > about time too I believe. > > Chris > > My 6 Cd's in the car on rotation - what are they? I hear you say.As usual > picked at random from my eclectic collection! > > 1. Fridge - EPH > > 2.Jeff Beck - You Had It Coming - This is the winner so far. Just great > guitar with loads of differing moods - Metal - Indian - Blues - Jazz. > > 3. The Beloved - X - Good dance /pop CD > > 4.Lush - Spooky - Produced by Robin Guthrie with a typical Cocteaus guitar > sound. > > 5. The Best Of Caravan (Prog shoes on) > > 6. Siouxsie & The Banshees - The Rapture ( Jon Klein Guitars & John Cale > production). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:22:43 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans Second Supreme Court appointment, and Chief Justice to boot. I highly recommend a free subscription to Stratfor's intelligence briefings. www.stratfor.com Short on moralistic posturing, long on pertinent analysis. Personally, I prefer to apply morality to fact, rather than the other. On 9/4/05, Keith Knight wrote: > > Great stuff David. I see Rehnquist has just died so the first Supreme > Court appointment is now open. > > The issue of NO's port importance was mentioned on Radio FiveLive in the > UK this morning, for the first time I'm aware. Lots of US oil imports > through it. > > Another the Keith > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* David McKenzie [mailto:davidmack@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 04 September 2005 18:09 > *To:* CHRISWIRE@aol.com > *Cc:* steeleknight@lineone.net; idealcopy@smoe.org > *Subject:* Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans > > > I must agree with Keith on almost all points, but need to add a couple > others: > > First - Bush doesn't just not care about black folks, he doesn't care > about poor folks - there are plenty other poor white folks in a world of > hurt as well. And he has a demonstrable measure of respect for not poor > folks of various color. The thing that is so friggin galling about his > attitude is that without daddy, he would be another ignorant cracker his own > sef. > > Second - There is more depth and complexity to this disaster than the > media of any bias is mentioning. I have yet to see any mention of the impact > of closing the world's fifth busiest port just before harvest. This has > global implications on the world economy and food markets. Not to mention > the impact on industry from the impending scarcity of raw materials. THe US > has not completely transitioned to a service economy. Housten can take up > some of the slack and some of the population, but they don't have the > Mississippi River. NO is not where it is because it is picturesque ; it > is(was?) there because it had to be. > > Third - There is NO doubt available resources were mobilized too late. > Never mind Iraq, the scant resources we have were woefully mismanaged. > > Fourth - The next BIG headache - IRAQ... Iraq was always a gamble that we > would not have significant need of military and civil engineering resources > elsewhere. The US was not geared for two major battles, but we just got our > second. Regardless of how evil/ill-considered/immoral/etc you might consider > the US presence in Iraq, the invasion destroyed order and infrastructure > which has not been recovered. And it would be just as naive to think that > immediate withdrawl would be followed by any sort of sane order as it was > for the neocons to think that good things would naturally occur simply by > the absence of Saddam Hussein. The fact is that a troubled society is not > healed by the immediate removal of the most visible symptom, be it the > previous Baathist regime, or whatever you want to call the current > situation. > > The fact is that GWB has written checks that we cannot cover, and there is > no such thing as bankruptcy court to provide the way out. > > Fifth - Sorry as I am to say this - Nothing even approaching justice will > touch GW Bush or his circle of priviledge. The media and the american people > have rescinded his free pass and will scrutinize his future decisions more > closely. But he is still the President. And it takes more than a simple > majority to get legislation past him. Not to mention, he is now offered the > opportunity to make two more decisions with far reaching consequences in > Supreme Court appointments. There will not be a revolution. There will not > be an impeachment. The best you can hope for is that we might elect some > sensible people in 2006, but face it, this guy was re-elected by a public > which cared more about same-sex marriage than they did about starting an war > with a pre-emptive strike based on what was by then known to be the > flimsyist pretexts. Sorry folks, GWB is not going to get his 'just desserts' > nor is he going anywhere. > > The USA has allowed itself to be manipulated and played like a cheap > piano... and until it's citizenry recognizes that the grreatest enemy is our > own ignorance and cowardice, we will never be made whole. Face it - this guy > should have never had a prayer. > > end of soapbox > > > On 9/4/05, *CHRISWIRE@aol.com* wrote: > > My word Keith what a good post. > You expressed most of my sentiments exactly > And I agree about Katrina & The Waves & that old Zep tune When The Levee > Breaks.Been wanting to express that too but have not got round to it.Seemsa bit > churlish too. > Well I'll say it...Bush is a complete wanker.And I have no doubt at all > that > the poor in New Orleans & beyond were left to look after themselves.Yesthey > were mostly black..but so what because middle America doesn't really give > a > damn.I'm alright jack mentality kicking in. > Unfortunately it will now only polarize racial opinions further. > It is amazing to see how this democracy falls apart very quickly when > there > is no power & little clean water.Americans have never had it to face > before. > A bit like 9/11 when they thought that terrorism was awful when watched > through a TV screen & that it would never happen to them as they were the > strongest country on earth. > Well Mother Nature is still stronger than them. > How would they have handled a Tsunami ?? > > Mr Bush will not recover from this whatever happens & now.things will only > get worse for him. > about time too I believe. > > Chris > > My 6 Cd's in the car on rotation - what are they? I hear you say.As usual > picked at random from my eclectic collection! > > 1. Fridge - EPH > > 2.Jeff Beck - You Had It Coming - This is the winner so far. Just great > guitar with loads of differing moods - Metal - Indian - Blues - Jazz. > > 3. The Beloved - X - Good dance /pop CD > > 4.Lush - Spooky - Produced by Robin Guthrie with a typical Cocteaus guitar > sound. > > 5. The Best Of Caravan (Prog shoes on) > > 6. Siouxsie & The Banshees - The Rapture ( Jon Klein Guitars & John Cale > production). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 18:17:54 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] New Orleans Great stuff David. I see Rehnquist has just died so the first Supreme Court appointment is now open. The issue of NO's port importance was mentioned on Radio FiveLive in the UK this morning, for the first time I'm aware. Lots of US oil imports through it. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: David McKenzie [mailto:davidmack@gmail.com] Sent: 04 September 2005 18:09 To: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Cc: steeleknight@lineone.net; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans I must agree with Keith on almost all points, but need to add a couple others: First - Bush doesn't just not care about black folks, he doesn't care about poor folks - there are plenty other poor white folks in a world of hurt as well. And he has a demonstrable measure of respect for not poor folks of various color. The thing that is so friggin galling about his attitude is that without daddy, he would be another ignorant cracker his own sef. Second - There is more depth and complexity to this disaster than the media of any bias is mentioning. I have yet to see any mention of the impact of closing the world's fifth busiest port just before harvest. This has global implications on the world economy and food markets. Not to mention the impact on industry from the impending scarcity of raw materials. THe US has not completely transitioned to a service economy. Housten can take up some of the slack and some of the population, but they don't have the Mississippi River. NO is not where it is because it is picturesque ; it is(was?) there because it had to be. Third - There is NO doubt available resources were mobilized too late. Never mind Iraq, the scant resources we have were woefully mismanaged. Fourth - The next BIG headache - IRAQ... Iraq was always a gamble that we would not have significant need of military and civil engineering resources elsewhere. The US was not geared for two major battles, but we just got our second. Regardless of how evil/ill-considered/immoral/etc you might consider the US presence in Iraq, the invasion destroyed order and infrastructure which has not been recovered. And it would be just as naive to think that immediate withdrawl would be followed by any sort of sane order as it was for the neocons to think that good things would naturally occur simply by the absence of Saddam Hussein. The fact is that a troubled society is not healed by the immediate removal of the most visible symptom, be it the previous Baathist regime, or whatever you want to call the current situation. The fact is that GWB has written checks that we cannot cover, and there is no such thing as bankruptcy court to provide the way out. Fifth - Sorry as I am to say this - Nothing even approaching justice will touch GW Bush or his circle of priviledge. The media and the american people have rescinded his free pass and will scrutinize his future decisions more closely. But he is still the President. And it takes more than a simple majority to get legislation past him. Not to mention, he is now offered the opportunity to make two more decisions with far reaching consequences in Supreme Court appointments. There will not be a revolution. There will not be an impeachment. The best you can hope for is that we might elect some sensible people in 2006, but face it, this guy was re-elected by a public which cared more about same-sex marriage than they did about starting an war with a pre-emptive strike based on what was by then known to be the flimsyist pretexts. Sorry folks, GWB is not going to get his 'just desserts' nor is he going anywhere. The USA has allowed itself to be manipulated and played like a cheap piano... and until it's citizenry recognizes that the grreatest enemy is our own ignorance and cowardice, we will never be made whole. Face it - this guy should have never had a prayer. end of soapbox On 9/4/05, CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: My word Keith what a good post. You expressed most of my sentiments exactly And I agree about Katrina & The Waves & that old Zep tune When The Levee Breaks.Been wanting to express that too but have not got round to it.Seems a bit churlish too. Well I'll say it...Bush is a complete wanker.And I have no doubt at all that the poor in New Orleans & beyond were left to look after themselves.Yes they were mostly black..but so what because middle America doesn't really give a damn.I'm alright jack mentality kicking in. Unfortunately it will now only polarize racial opinions further. It is amazing to see how this democracy falls apart very quickly when there is no power & little clean water.Americans have never had it to face before. A bit like 9/11 when they thought that terrorism was awful when watched through a TV screen & that it would never happen to them as they were the strongest country on earth. Well Mother Nature is still stronger than them. How would they have handled a Tsunami ?? Mr Bush will not recover from this whatever happens & now.things will only get worse for him. about time too I believe. Chris My 6 Cd's in the car on rotation - what are they? I hear you say.As usual picked at random from my eclectic collection! 1. Fridge - EPH 2.Jeff Beck - You Had It Coming - This is the winner so far. Just great guitar with loads of differing moods - Metal - Indian - Blues - Jazz. 3. The Beloved - X - Good dance /pop CD 4.Lush - Spooky - Produced by Robin Guthrie with a typical Cocteaus guitar sound. 5. The Best Of Caravan (Prog shoes on) 6. Siouxsie & The Banshees - The Rapture ( Jon Klein Guitars & John Cale production). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:53:05 -0700 From: "nowhere man" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans as the levy breaks is about the levy breaking in the missippi delta in the late 1800's early 1900's. the muddy waters song 40 days and 40 nights, and the old chestnut, flood in houston all refer to the same storm, heretofor considered to be the worst in u.s. history. the levee broke and it was like a tsunami rolling across mississippi. killed thousands...of course, black folks didn't count back then either. this should be a wake up call to black people all over amerika, not only does your vote not count but you don't even matter, just shut the fuck up and keep the tax dollars rolling in. the u.s military cannon fodder generally originates in the south. a lot of black families are without sons and daughters right now as they are fighting for bush interests (i.e. oil.........your prime minister and the rest of the rich fucks.........and remember a bayonet is a weapon with a WORKER at each end) if they they haven't been press ganged into prison for using the drugs that we KNOW the Bush family sells. i'd be pissed as hell. i am pissed as hell. i will not pay my taxes to this government ever again...even if it means prison. black people should certainly stop paying taxes and they should stop lying down for it. i can't understand why the ghettoes across america aren't in flames already. probably everyone is in too much shock. folks in 'nawlins' don't need the fucking "natioanlist' guard there. they need the red cross, fema, and anybody else that can help[. the guard, there to help the elderly and children, were scared shitless. they have so many guns on them it's amazing but they are totally afraid. what do you need those guns for? guilty conscience. if they fire on the poor for taking baby formula and diapers would have a real problem with it, not that that means anything but i would hope a lot of other people do too. they have dclared war on the poor in nahlins! my whole point is............peak oil is here. the supply is running out. YOU ARE NEXT. i am next. the ultra rich and THEIR police forces and armies care about one thing and one only.THEMSELVES. if we don't change this right now...we are going to be in for a much worse fucking by these bastards than the one we are going to get anyway. they are fucking us now....daily. i like to get kissed while i'm getting fucked i don't know about you. amerika is a fascist nation run by fascist cocksuckers. the vote means nothing....emma goldman said "in amerikkka voting is the opiate of the masses." and YOUR government is our governments best friend...in bed together. they will never find osama because he was paid for lock stock and barrel by the same people that cooked the books. follow the money. gas prices were to hit $6.00 a gallon in the US by february anyway...but now they have a sweet excuse with the big easy. your comments re: homeland security...we don't need the guard there anyway. it's just the rich gang called in to dominate the poor gang from benefitting. better a baby should die than some rich cracker asshole lose some money because a box of diapers was stolen. i don't see much difference between the crips, the bloods, the sheriff, the guard, the army except 2 of those mentioned maintain the status quo, the other's enforce the rich. in the spanish civil war they said the church was the psychological operations wing of the state. it important to also remember the state is the enforcement arm of the church. what the 2 have in common is THEY ARE THE RICH. fuck 'em. as we say in california (i lived in nahlins a couple of years) have a nice day. later - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Knight" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 4:14 AM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] New Orleans > From a distance - and being rather dispassionate about what is a clearly > awful situation - this is a story which seems to cover virtually every > important issue affecting the USA at present. As such, it's fascinating > to see it unfold: > > Iraq and terrorism - how far have the war in Iraq and the anti-Terrorist > measures taken resources away from homeland security such as the > Louisiana National Guard? Looks like a direct link to me - they can't > do anything if they're thousands of miles away. > > Climate Change - is this a 'wake up and smell the coffee moment' for > Bush? There's a clear link between more powerful hurricanes and > increased sea temperatures. This may not be a one-off. > > Oil - A temporary shortage it seems but enough to send a shudder through > SUV owners. As someone who was paying a pound a litre to fill up in the > Outer Hebrides a few weeks ago I don't have too much sympathy for > complaints about US oil price hikes (which would only be increased to > levels Europeans haven't experienced in decades) but nothing is more > likely to upset the average American voter it would seem. > > Urban Black Americans and poverty - the forgotten poor are not forgotten > on UK TV screens at present - they're the only people being interviewed. > The suggestion is that they were the only people without their own > transport, so they ended up in the conference centre etc. Will this > lead to a different approach to the poor - or will they mobilise? No > and no I suspect - it's Jesse Jackson or nothing. > > Bush's inadequacies - he comes across in every public appearance as > insincere and confused. The administration around him is clearly inept, > even putting any disagreement about their political views aside for the > present. The inability to take notice about warnings over the past few > years about New Orleans vulnerability is par for the course. I just > hope that the San Andreas fault and the volcano under Yellowstone don't > go off on his watch. > > Gun control - a relief helicopter flies over - let's shoot at it! I'm > not saying people in this country would be any different as ambulances > and fire engines are regularly attacked in sink estates - but usually by > stones rather than firearms. > > One thing I find it difficult to get my head around is the distances > involved. The media have described the hurricane as being as wide as > Southern England - so clearly vastly destructive. But the UK is much > more densely populated and we don't have the US hinterland. Should it > really have taken this long to get assistance into New Orleans? Are the > distances so great that it must inevitably take days? Or have the > authorities been slow off the mark? Tim certainly suggests the latter > and one certainly assumes that aid should be capable of getting there > more quickly than it did. > > Two rather frivolous musical references to close. A friend mentioned > the other day that he was surprised that no-one had mentioned Katrina > and the Waves yet. I still haven't seen a reference - possibly an > outbreak of good taste? And I've had 'When the Levee Breaks' inevitably > going through my head all week (as my brain, like a deranged iPod, > always responds to the word 'levee' with a burst of Zeppelin). Have > those US radio stations which seem to play Zeppelin end-to-end been > playing it all week or left it off the playlist out of some sort of > respect? > > Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:57:48 -0700 From: "nowhere man" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans &chriswire a friend somewhat humorously remarked they'll probably find pipebombs, koranic literature, and black hair dye where the levy broke....google oparation northwoods and it is possible...the cost of 2 days war in iraq, if you don't supersize, would have rebuilt the marshland around the area, the depletion of which is as much, if not more of a problem than the levy itself. cheerio then - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans > My word Keith what a good post. > You expressed most of my sentiments exactly > And I agree about Katrina & The Waves & that old Zep tune When The Levee > Breaks.Been wanting to express that too but have not got round to it.Seems a bit > churlish too. > Well I'll say it...Bush is a complete wanker.And I have no doubt at all that > the poor in New Orleans & beyond were left to look after themselves.Yes they > were mostly black..but so what because middle America doesn't really give a > damn.I'm alright jack mentality kicking in. > Unfortunately it will now only polarize racial opinions further. > It is amazing to see how this democracy falls apart very quickly when there > is no power & little clean water.Americans have never had it to face before. > A bit like 9/11 when they thought that terrorism was awful when watched > through a TV screen & that it would never happen to them as they were the > strongest country on earth. > Well Mother Nature is still stronger than them. > How would they have handled a Tsunami ?? > > Mr Bush will not recover from this whatever happens & now.things will only > get worse for him. > about time too I believe. > > Chris > > My 6 Cd's in the car on rotation - what are they? I hear you say.As usual > picked at random from my eclectic collection! > > 1. Fridge - EPH > > 2.Jeff Beck - You Had It Coming - This is the winner so far. Just great > guitar with loads of differing moods - Metal - Indian - Blues - Jazz. > > 3. The Beloved - X - Good dance /pop CD > > 4.Lush - Spooky - Produced by Robin Guthrie with a typical Cocteaus guitar > sound. > > 5. The Best Of Caravan (Prog shoes on) > > 6. Siouxsie & The Banshees - The Rapture ( Jon Klein Guitars & John Cale > production). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:09:50 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans I see that the principle contractor brought in to restore electricity is.... Haliburton Surprised? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:09:25 -0700 From: "nowhere man" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans thanks for all the money!!!! sorry about your kids! haliburton - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McKenzie" To: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans > I see that the principle contractor brought in to restore electricity is.... > Haliburton > Surprised? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:24:32 -0700 From: "nowhere man" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans save for ari i hear very little from folks in the us on this. where is our cool rep from atlanta. i'd like to hear his take on the impact of the influx from nahlins. the port status of NO can't be overlooked. 1/5 of the US oil, 1/4 of the natural gas, 1/3 of the US seafood come from there, er, um, came from there. it's the largest port in the US and once again the shrub, through negligence, overconfidence, and the agenda of looting amerikkkans, has backfired. the hydrocephalice byproduct of incestuous cretinism just can't do anything right. if you have a moment go to www.campchaos.com and listen to the crank calls presumably made by george dubya, arnold scwarzenegger, and the funniest are that drill sargeant dude from all the tv shows and movies. you have got to watch the metallicop videos as they are truly hysterical. WARNING: disclaimer....if you are in NO go out and loot some adult diapers first if you suffer incontinence. Just saw the Republican Guard shot and killed 5 formula looting ameriKKKan citizens. that's the breaking point for me. sorry, being one, i side with the poor in this. i dopn't even care if they fired first. i see it as the rich gang coming in merely to protect capitalist ans fascist special interests. the spanish civil war formula was capitalism + murder= fascism. seems to fit the bill. last but not least, i apologize to all of you for wearing my heart on my sleeve as this is a musical forum for my favorite group of all time and i am sure everyone else's as well. though i may sound violent in my emotional tirades i assure you that, like mahatma gandhi, i am another skinhead for peace. i should be very sorry to be kicked off the group for my off topic rants but i would understand it. bite off your tongue swallow it whole before it wags.......... thanks r - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Knight" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] New Orleans > Great stuff David. I see Rehnquist has just died so the first Supreme > Court appointment is now open. > > The issue of NO's port importance was mentioned on Radio FiveLive in the > UK this morning, for the first time I'm aware. Lots of US oil imports > through it. > > Another the Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: David McKenzie [mailto:davidmack@gmail.com] > Sent: 04 September 2005 18:09 > To: CHRISWIRE@aol.com > Cc: steeleknight@lineone.net; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Orleans > > > I must agree with Keith on almost all points, but need to add a couple > others: > > First - Bush doesn't just not care about black folks, he doesn't care > about poor folks - there are plenty other poor white folks in a world of > hurt as well. And he has a demonstrable measure of respect for not poor > folks of various color. The thing that is so friggin galling about his > attitude is that without daddy, he would be another ignorant cracker his > own sef. > > Second - There is more depth and complexity to this disaster than the > media of any bias is mentioning. I have yet to see any mention of the > impact of closing the world's fifth busiest port just before harvest. > This has global implications on the world economy and food markets. Not > to mention the impact on industry from the impending scarcity of raw > materials. THe US has not completely transitioned to a service economy. > Housten can take up some of the slack and some of the population, but > they don't have the Mississippi River. NO is not where it is because > it is picturesque ; it is(was?) there because it had to be. > > Third - There is NO doubt available resources were mobilized too late. > Never mind Iraq, the scant resources we have were woefully mismanaged. > > > Fourth - The next BIG headache - IRAQ... Iraq was always a gamble that > we would not have significant need of military and civil engineering > resources elsewhere. The US was not geared for two major battles, but > we just got our second. Regardless of how > evil/ill-considered/immoral/etc you might consider the US presence in > Iraq, the invasion destroyed order and infrastructure which has not been > recovered. And it would be just as naive to think that immediate > withdrawl would be followed by any sort of sane order as it was for the > neocons to think that good things would naturally occur simply by the > absence of Saddam Hussein. The fact is that a troubled society is not > healed by the immediate removal of the most visible symptom, be it the > previous Baathist regime, or whatever you want to call the current > situation. > The fact is that GWB has written checks that we cannot cover, and there > is no such thing as bankruptcy court to provide the way out. > > Fifth - Sorry as I am to say this - Nothing even approaching justice > will touch GW Bush or his circle of priviledge. The media and the > american people have rescinded his free pass and will scrutinize his > future decisions more closely. But he is still the President. And it > takes more than a simple majority to get legislation past him. Not to > mention, he is now offered the opportunity to make two more decisions > with far reaching consequences in Supreme Court appointments. There > will not be a revolution. There will not be an impeachment. The best > you can hope for is that we might elect some sensible people in 2006, > but face it, this guy was re-elected by a public which cared more about > same-sex marriage than they did about starting an war with a pre-emptive > strike based on what was by then known to be the flimsyist pretexts. > Sorry folks, GWB is not going to get his 'just desserts' nor is he > going anywhere. > > The USA has allowed itself to be manipulated and played like a cheap > piano... and until it's citizenry recognizes that the grreatest enemy > is our own ignorance and cowardice, we will never be made whole. Face > it - this guy should have never had a prayer. > > end of soapbox > > > On 9/4/05, CHRISWIRE@aol.com wrote: > My word Keith what a good post. > You expressed most of my sentiments exactly > And I agree about Katrina & The Waves & that old Zep tune When The > Levee > Breaks.Been wanting to express that too but have not got round to > it.Seems a bit > churlish too. > Well I'll say it...Bush is a complete wanker.And I have no doubt at all > that > the poor in New Orleans & beyond were left to look after themselves.Yes > they > were mostly black..but so what because middle America doesn't really > give a > damn.I'm alright jack mentality kicking in. > Unfortunately it will now only polarize racial opinions further. > It is amazing to see how this democracy falls apart very quickly when > there > is no power & little clean water.Americans have never had it to face > before. > A bit like 9/11 when they thought that terrorism was awful when watched > through a TV screen & that it would never happen to them as they were > the > strongest country on earth. > Well Mother Nature is still stronger than them. > How would they have handled a Tsunami ?? > > Mr Bush will not recover from this whatever happens & now.things will > only > get worse for him. > about time too I believe. > > Chris > > My 6 Cd's in the car on rotation - what are they? I hear you say.As > usual > picked at random from my eclectic collection! > > 1. Fridge - EPH > > 2.Jeff Beck - You Had It Coming - This is the winner so far. Just great > guitar with loads of differing moods - Metal - Indian - Blues - Jazz. > > 3. The Beloved - X - Good dance /pop CD > > 4.Lush - Spooky - Produced by Robin Guthrie with a typical Cocteaus > guitar > sound. > > 5. The Best Of Caravan (Prog shoes on) > > 6. Siouxsie & The Banshees - The Rapture ( Jon Klein Guitars & John > Cale > production). ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #237 *******************************