From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V8 #214 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, August 11 2005 Volume 08 : Number 214 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] ACR play London tomorrow (11th) [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] ACR play London tomorrow (11th) [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: The Official Fall Website - latest Fall News ["Erik L] RE: [idealcopy] OT nerdy question ["Norm Fasey" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Magic Band walk off TOTP [Derek White ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:09:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] ACR play London tomorrow (11th) Meant to flag this earlier, but ACR are playing Cargo tomorrow (11th). Info at http://www.muffjam.com Any excuse to point to my archive shots of the band... http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/sets/42654/ Fergus ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:31:59 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: [idealcopy] OT HowTo... useful information found http://wiki.ehow.com/Start-a-Rock-Band ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:27:18 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ACR play London tomorrow (11th) They are also playing the Moorfest festival in Heaton Moor, Stockport this Saturday, along with Pete Wylie & Wah! and Easterhouse! Party like its 1985! Unfortunately the twat in the hat is also playing (B*dly Dr*wn B*y) but I think I'll still go along. ACR headline above him though so there is some justice. http://www.moorfest.co.uk/flash/index.html Fergus Kelly wrote: > Meant to flag this earlier, but ACR are playing Cargo > tomorrow (11th). Info at > > http://www.muffjam.com > > Any excuse to point to my archive shots of the band... > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/sets/42654/ > > Fergus > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:49:36 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] OT nerdy question Sorry, geeky OT question. Am sick of Norton Internet Security eating up my PC resources and taking 10 mins to boot up. I believe they call it 'bloatware'! Can Anyone recommend a good, less system draining alternative? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:44:59 +0200 From: "Erik Lindner" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: The Official Fall Website - latest Fall News Thought your quote from Mark E. Smith was about the absurdity of Githead's texts. But no. Isn't he absurd himselve? The Fall (all members!): "We love the Carry bag man!" Mark E. Smith: "I am a Carry bag man, I'm a Carry bag, Carry bag, Carry bag man." Give Marqui a translation in Hindu and a massive million will love him. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith A" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: The Official Fall Website - latest Fall News > New Fall LP soon.. And the interview on the Fall website made me laugh. = > Talking about new bands... > > "Some of the lyrics they come out with are quite absurd". > > Hahaha!!! > > ...and when asked if he wished he'd planned his career more... > > "I'd feel very uncomfortable with massive stadiums and all that. It's = > not for me." > > Don't worry, Mark. It's not gonna happen, mate!! ; ) > > > > http://www.visi.com/fall/news/fallnews.html > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream > which had a name of The Official Fall Website - latest Fall News.url] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:16:38 +0100 From: "Norm Fasey" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT nerdy question Hi Tim, Zone Alarm is free for personal use and I find it to be very reliable and less of a memory hog. You can find it here http://tinyurl.com/doovm Norm - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: 10 August 2005 22:50 To: Idealcopy@Smoe.Org Subject: [idealcopy] OT nerdy question Sorry, geeky OT question. Am sick of Norton Internet Security eating up my PC resources and taking 10 mins to boot up. I believe they call it 'bloatware'! Can Anyone recommend a good, less system draining alternative? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:53:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Magic Band walk off TOTP - --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 09/08/2005 21:04:01 GMT Standard > Time, > keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: > > I prefer Goldfrapp too, but good on the MN I say. > Who is the Bacon guy > anyway? > > > /////isn't he the guy who's coke habit got him slung > off "blue > peter".........rock n roll , huh? p > ***** The very same..... ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:43:55 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT nerdy question > Sorry, geeky OT question. > Am sick of Norton Internet Security eating up my PC resources and taking > 10 mins to boot up. I believe they call it 'bloatware'! > > Can Anyone recommend a good, less system draining alternative? > In addition to other comments posted here, it depends which Microsoft OS you're running. If you're running XP, you really don't need Internet Security which, if I understand the product line correctly, is a Virus Checker and Firewall. There's a pretty decent firewall already build into Win XP SP 2. So, you might be better off using a Virus checker by itself, and letting Windows handle the firewall. If you don't trust Microsoft's firewall, I hear pretty good things about Zone Alarm. I've used Norton Anti-Virus by itself for years. Pretty minimal system impact, but there are cheaper alternatives. Good luck! Cheers, Paul P.S. This new laptop came pre-installed with Internet Security. I'm in the process of trying it out right now. First time I've used it. P.P.S. The firewall portion of Internet Security was an old WRQ product we had called AtGuard. The WRQ software fit on a floppy disc - it's amazing how big it's become. We sold the code to Symantec - there's not much of the original WRQ code left in it anymore. ^_^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:13:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] zone alarm..........so tell me Paul........... does zone alarm do everything norton does viz-a-viz virus protection? my understanding was it protects against hackers (when in the lock position) and viruses that may be in your 'I.S.P' mailbox (but not, e.g when visiting yahoo mail) and that Norton protects against all forms of email...... (I have both by the way, am I waisting my time?) also, when I reboot my machine does so very quickly despite norton (it's 2.6 ghtz) Ari __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:00:59 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] zone alarm..........so tell me Paul........... > does zone alarm do everything norton does viz-a-viz > virus protection? my understanding was it protects > against hackers (when in the lock position) and > viruses that may be in your 'I.S.P' mailbox (but not, > e.g when visiting yahoo mail) and that Norton protects > against all forms of email...... (I have both by the > way, am I waisting my time?) > also, when I reboot my machine does so very quickly > despite norton (it's 2.6 ghtz) Ari > Some random thoughts - I don't spend a lot of time using these programs: I don't actually use Zone Alarm. But, from scanning their website, it looks like Zone Alarm scans for SpyWare and provides firewall protection. It also looks like it scans outgoing e-mail for viruses, and blocks some pop-ups. In contrast, Norton Internet Security does three things. It has a Firewall, an Anti-Viral program and a Anti-Spam e-mail checker. The Anti-Virus also scans your incoming and outgoing e-mail. Originally Zone Alarm was just a firewall. Norton was just an anti-virus that could also check your e-mail. And WRQ AtGuard was a firewall and AdBlocker. Norton incorporated WRQ's AtGuard, and it looks like Zone Alarm added some extra scanning features. The main thing is that if you're running Win XP w/Service Pack 2 which has Microsoft's firewall, and you've loaded Zone Alarm and Internet Security, you've now got three firewalls. You need to pick *one* ^_^ . In summary (bearing in mind that I own only Internet Security): SpyWare. Norton doesn't scan for SpyWare, from what I can tell. Bear in mind, though, that Win XP SP 2 now includes a utility that allows you to see all of the ActiveX objects IE has loaded. You can see which ones are installed, which ones are running, and you can manuallly uninstall them. A SpyWare detector is nice, but Microsoft has provided tools for dealing with most of it now. Virus Checker. ZoneAlarm doesn't really include a virus checker. Pop-up Blocker. Zone Alarm has a pop-up blocker, but Win XP SP 2 now includes a pop-up blocker. Firewall. Both have this. Their firewalls are nice - both have more logging features than WinXP SP 2 - but I haven't had any trouble with the built-in firewall. Anti-spam. The anti-spam is sorta nice, but Internet Security's has limitations. Mozilla Mail and/or Mozilla Thunderbird does a much better job with spam, in my humble opinion. E-mail scanners. Internet Security doesn't like "secure" SSL outgoing e-mail connections to your ISP. I've had to disable the e-mail scanner to send e-mail from my laptop on one university account. My normal setting is WinXP SP 2 with built-in firewall, built-in pop-up blocker, and Microsoft Automatic Updates on. I have built-in internet security turned up pretty high, and I don't allow ActiveX controls to load on my system that I don't know. The virus checker is the only thing that Microsoft doesn't provide. That's all I normally buy. Obviously, if you're running Win2K (or something older) you'll need to invest in one of these packages - unless you're really adept at fine tuning Windows manually. There are other things you can do to harden older Windows systems, but I won't waste your time with them. ^_^ Ari - it sounds like all you really needed to buy was Norton Anti-Virus, if you already had Zone Alarm. But - if it's working for you - I wouldn't mess with it. (Especially since I don't want to do remote tech support right now! I'm far too busy with my Java programming homework.) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:34:03 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT nerdy question A couple points: 1. IMHO WinXP SP2 Windows Firewall is as good a host-based firewall as you can buy (and you don't have to) - A hardware firewall (like you find on most routers nowadays) is even better - both is optimal - additional software firewalls such as zonealarm are (in general) filling a historical need 2. Anti Virus is essential. I recommend Avast, largly because it is free to home users, and honestly, NAI (McAfee) and Symanted (Norton) are bloated corporate entities I trust even less than Microsoft. 3. If you realloy think Microsoft is the evil empire and have no trust in them, I can easilly respect that feeling - but then you should pursue an entirely alternative course (linux is preferable to apple in security terms). Half measures are , frankly, half-assed. 4. Anti-Spyware is 50% marketing hype. Most anti-virus solutions do a credible job of protecting from the real bad stuff - and simply turning offtake simple precautions, keep things up to day activeX, java and cookies will do the rest - of course some spiffy sites will be less spiffy and online shopping willl be a pain... leaving cookies enabled basicly lets marketers aggregate your habits to better target their hype - not especially a bad idea really. in short - there is a lot of hype out there because fear sells ... wars even) but if you take simple precautions you can protect simple assets pretty well of course, if your computer holds sensitive finantial or international intelligence data, you should perhaps look at more industrial solutions (or better yet - don't connect it to the internet) cheers macka On 8/10/05, Tim wrote: > Sorry, geeky OT question. > Am sick of Norton Internet Security eating up my PC resources and taking > 10 mins to boot up. I believe they call it 'bloatware'! > > Can Anyone recommend a good, less system draining alternative? ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V8 #214 *******************************